johnh Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 I see Donald Trump lost Iowa, we can sleep easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 I see Donald Trump lost Iowa, we can sleep easily. Don't relax yet, he'll win New Hampshire. Loooooong way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Don't relax yet, he'll win New Hampshire. Loooooong way to go. yep. he didn't try really in Iowa so to do that well was kinda a victory. My candidate Bernie Sanders did amazing considering he was polling at 8% at one point and got 50% tie with Hilary Clinton. Go Bernie Go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 yep. he didn't try really in Iowa so to do that well was kinda a victory. My candidate Bernie Sanders did amazing considering he was polling at 8% at one point and got 50% tie with Hilary Clinton. Go Bernie Go! Marco Rubio looking favourite for the Republican nomination now with the bookies. Apart from the obvious advantage that's he's not Donald Trump what's he like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Marco Rubio looking favourite for the Republican nomination now with the bookies. Apart from the obvious advantage that's he's not Donald Trump what's he like? he's center right an "establishment" republican ala george bush reagan etc. here's a breakdown liberal socialist moderate liberal moderate republican tea party extreme conservative none of the above bernie sanders hillary clinton marco rubio/jeb bush ted cruz trump for a liberal like me if rubio got elected its the best case scenario of democrats losing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 he's center right an "establishment" republican ala george bush reagan etc. here's a breakdown liberal socialist moderate liberal moderate republican tea party extreme conservative none of the above bernie sanders hillary clinton marco rubio/jeb bush ted cruz trump for a liberal like me if rubio got elected its the best case scenario of democrats losing. Thanks for that Mark, enlightening. Didn't realise Sanders was to the left of Clinton; admire your backing of him but I'd have thought that'd make him pretty much unelectable (being to the left of Clinton I mean, not you backing him ). Pleased also that Rubio as the republican front-runner is somewhat moderate. Maybe the World will still be here in a decade or so! markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 I see Donald Trump lost Iowa, we can sleep easily. The most scary thing is that, whenever I've posted comments about Donald Trump, usually light-hearted ones, I've been subject to some rather nasty responses from Trump supporters. Frankly, he's an out and out fascist, and, while it's not been widely reported, his supporters have been beating people up. It's mind-blowing that he's even scoring double-digits, let alone winning contests. Why do we not learn lessons from history? This is not going to turn out well. And, for the record, Ted Cruz is even worse. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 The most scary thing is that, whenever I've posted comments about Donald Trump, usually light-hearted ones, I've been subject to some rather nasty responses from Trump supporters. Frankly, he's an out and out fascist, and, while it's not been widely reported, his supporters have been beating people up. It's mind-blowing that he's even scoring double-digits, let alone winning contests. Why do we not learn lessons from history? This is not going to turn out well. And, for the record, Ted Cruz is even worse. agreed on both points, spot on steve. nevada is saturday for democrats i'm hoping Bernie pulls another upset and ties or beats clinton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 he's center right an "establishment" republican ala george bush reagan etc. here's a breakdown liberal socialist moderate liberal moderate republican tea party extreme conservative none of the above bernie sanders hillary clinton marco rubio/jeb bush ted cruz trump for a liberal like me if rubio got elected its the best case scenario of democrats losing. Honestly, I don't see Rubio as a moderate. By the standards of any European country, or even the US a decade ago, he's quite extreme. There is a moderate candidate, Kasich, but moderates never seem to do well in primaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 agreed on both points, spot on steve. nevada is saturday for democrats i'm hoping Bernie pulls another upset and ties or beats clinton. This is a very interesting race. The fundamental divide appears to be age: The older population support Clinton, while the younger population (about 85%, it seems) support Sanders. Surprisingly, the divide is not based on gender. So, it's all about who can get their supporters out to vote in these early contests. If it's a tie, Clinton's big money supporters will win out. (Mind you, the lady, at this point, should be in jail for how she compromised national security.) markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 Honestly, I don't see Rubio as a moderate. By the standards of any European country, or even the US a decade ago, he's quite extreme. There is a moderate candidate, Kasich, but moderates never seem to do well in primaries. yes good point although as a former resident of his state i will say he gutted the major cities (ie. revoked state tax money to them) so that he could look like he made Ohio all this money (4 billion surplus or some bogus number he totes around). When in reality he just took money the cities were using to try and get out of the Recession causing them to fall back further to make the State look better for his presidential run. Similar to the State i currently live in, Louisiana which Bobby Jindal did the same thing and now we are facing closing public universities because he gutted it so much. I'm not a fan of Kasich but i lived in his state under his tenure so i may be different than a neutral. This is a very interesting race. The fundamental divide appears to be age: The older population support Clinton, while the younger population (about 85%, it seems) support Sanders. Surprisingly, the divide is not based on gender. So, it's all about who can get their supporters out to vote in these early contests. If it's a tie, Clinton's big money supporters will win out. (Mind you, the lady, at this point, should be in jail for how she compromised national security.) agreed. i think the youth (i guess i'm youth at 31) are just fed up with having tens of thousands of dollars of student debt from going to college to work a job at 12 dollars an hour that we could have done without the college. The baby boomers just won't retire and free up jobs, so we are stuck working lower grade jobs with little room to move up while trying to have some semblance of a life with all this debt. Bernie i'm like at least my kids will get free college so no debt and free healthcare (i posted in another thread paid 13k for my family last year on premiums alone) so they will have a better go at adulthood than I did. Plus he wants to increase Social Security which helps my parents and grandparents and eventually me. Sure we pay some more taxes, but i'm middle class so they won't rise much for me, the rich guys get to take the hit finally. That's my take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 I've never understood why there's a cap on social security contributions. It means the most wealthy in the country get, in effect, a tax break. As someone who hits the limit each year, I would have no problem at all if the government did away with this cap. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 Rather than choke up the general discussion thread, I thought I'd start a new discussion here. Now we can discuss the insanity known as primaries and presidential elections without inadvertently hijacking other conversations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 great thanks steve. so are you a US citizen now and can vote? or just your kids? with the supreme court justice passing this is now a massive election to sway the court, presidency, and congress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 great thanks steve. so are you a US citizen now and can vote? or just your kids? with the supreme court justice passing this is now a massive election to sway the court, presidency, and congress. I thought the current debate was on whether Obama had the time/authority to make an appointment before the election? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 (edited) I thought the current debate was on whether Obama had the time/authority to make an appointment before the election? there is precedent, Reagan appointed current justice Kennedy in an election year. So it's completely normal and OK and constiutional for Obama to do so. The Republicans are just angry because they know he'll replace the former Conservative judge with a liberal and sway the court to a 5-4 Liberal Majority. So they want him to hold on, for no legal or reasonable reason. Former Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Conner (a conservative) said Obama has authority and should appoint the next judge immediately because they are needed. Nuff said. He has plenty of time as well. If the repubs block they look like obstructionists and many are up for re-election with the vote for their senate seats. So it could really hurt them. There are 3 old judges that will most likely retire/pass away during the next presidency anyways, Kennedy, Bader-Ginsburg, and Breyer. 2 liberals and conservative (kennedy). Side note: i enjoy politics. Edited February 18, 2016 by markjazzbassist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 there is precedent, Reagan appointed current justice Kennedy in an election year. So it's completely normal and OK and constiutional for Obama to do so. The Republicans are just angry because they know he'll replace the former Conservative judge with a liberal and sway the court to a 5-4 Liberal Majority. So they want him to hold on, for no legal or reasonable reason. Former Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Conner (a conservative) said Obama has authority and should appoint the next judge immediately because they are needed. Nuff said. He has plenty of time as well. If the repubs block they look like obstructionists and many are up for re-election with the vote for their senate seats. So it could really hurt them. There are 3 old judges that will most likely retire/pass away during the next presidency anyways, Kennedy, Bader-Ginsburg, and Breyer. 2 liberals and conservative (kennedy). Side note: i enjoy politics. Thanks for that Mark, I'm very interested in politics also but I wouldn't go so far as to say I enjoy it. In fact I hate it for the most part. It's like being ill; you don't like it but you have to engage with it or it'll do what it wants and ignore your wishes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 great thanks steve. so are you a US citizen now and can vote? or just your kids? with the supreme court justice passing this is now a massive election to sway the court, presidency, and congress. Nope, I'm not a US citizen, which makes me an independent observer. Honestly, I don't see any candidate right now that I would want to vote for, but that's because the two parties have moved to the extremes. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 Thanks for that Mark, I'm very interested in politics also but I wouldn't go so far as to say I enjoy it. In fact I hate it for the most part. It's like being ill; you don't like it but you have to engage with it or it'll do what it wants and ignore your wishes. As it happens, I was once an approved parliamentary candidate for one of the major parties in Britain. We moved to the US in April 1986. In December that year, the popular MP for my natural constituency was killed in a freak accident. He was replaced by a young guy in his 20s. Sometimes I look back and think what might have been, although I probably wouldn't have made too good an MP anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 I'm not sure who to vote for. I typically lean liberal. I like that Bernie doesn't use PAC funds. He seems the most honest, and he definitely has the experience. I used to like Hilary, but she's just become another manufactured politician -- she's the easy choice. Trump is way too brash... Ted Cruz is the worst. I dislike all but Bernie really, but it seems all the hipsters are voting for him; I don't know what to make of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Nope, I'm not a US citizen, which makes me an independent observer. Honestly, I don't see any candidate right now that I would want to vote for, but that's because the two parties have moved to the extremes. Agreed, and because of that, the whole thing is about picking a side rather than the right candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 https://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential-quiz I know this was posted somewhere a while ago, but it's relevant to this thread. Very detailed guide to helping people choose their candidate based on their policy proposals rather than the media coverage or slanging matches. Wish many more people would actually use it. I came out as a Sanders fan which was no surprise, but I can't vote (anywhere for that matter, not even the UK!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Why can't you vote in the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Thinks I'll respond to your post in the other thread about sanders support among the young and hipsters. I could care less who the hipsters vote for and I don't think it's the "cool" candidate. He's an old dude who's Jewish and from Brooklyn but been in Vermont for decades. All of those thing are not with the "cool" trends (i.e. Young atheist Brooklyn) ok he got the Brooklyn lol. I think young people just don't see the same futures there parents did. I know I will never make as much money as they did and I think a lot of millennials and hipsters are in a lot of debt from student loans and medical bills. I also think a lot of our generation has actually left the country and seen Europe and how they work and realized it's not that bad, actually it's quite good and actually a lot of things are better than in America. We want change for everyone and are tired of the elite wealthy getting handouts. Just my take, I think the mass youth support for him is a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Why can't you vote in the UK? I missed an election when I was leaving the UK and since I haven't been back since, nor have a paid taxes there. I'm not really bothered, I don't earn a vote in the UK with not living there or paying tax, I just find it funny that I cannot vote anywhere in the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 I missed an election when I was leaving the UK and since I haven't been back since, nor have a paid taxes there. I'm not really bothered, I don't earn a vote in the UK with not living there or paying tax, I just find it funny that I cannot vote anywhere in the world Not even in your own house . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted February 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Not even in your own house . Particularly not in his own house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted February 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 I'm not sure who to vote for. I typically lean liberal. I like that Bernie doesn't use PAC funds. He seems the most honest, and he definitely has the experience. I used to like Hilary, but she's just become another manufactured politician -- she's the easy choice. Trump is way too brash... Ted Cruz is the worst. I dislike all but Bernie really, but it seems all the hipsters are voting for him; I don't know what to make of that. Not even Donald Trump with Sarah Palin as his running mate? Countdown to World War 3. :guns: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 https://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential-quiz I know this was posted somewhere a while ago, but it's relevant to this thread. Very detailed guide to helping people choose their candidate based on their policy proposals rather than the media coverage or slanging matches. Wish many more people would actually use it. I came out as a Sanders fan which was no surprise, but I can't vote (anywhere for that matter, not even the UK!) I've walked through a guide like this and was scattered all over the place! Indeed, I did it for the UK election (even though I can't vote - you lose that right once you're out of the country for more than 15 years, apparently) and, again, I was scattered all over (Green Party was slightly higher score than the others). This is what makes it difficult, because no one (if they truly 'think') will agree with one party on everything. Then it comes down to intangibles and personalities, which is why there are so many commercials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 I missed an election when I was leaving the UK and since I haven't been back since, nor have a paid taxes there. I'm not really bothered, I don't earn a vote in the UK with not living there or paying tax, I just find it funny that I cannot vote anywhere in the world Same for me: I cannot vote anywhere. I think it's called "taxation without representation..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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