Guest fozzie Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Link Yet again Phil Mcnulty nails his colours to Evertons pipe dream.... Even if we're given the land and even with the sale of Goodison the sums just dont add up,sure we've got the tesco chairman helping us but will he pump any money in of his own??..doubtful and even if and its a big if Tesco sponsered us they wouldnt pump the sort of cash thats needed for this to happen. Its the Kings Dock fiasco all over again and i'm damn sure its mainly down to liverpools now public takeover bid (lets not forget insiders will have known or heard rumours about that months ago). Its a nasty but simple truth..we dont have 150 mill for a move (allowing the land being given to us and the Goodison sale),christ we barely have more than 5-6 mill for close season transfers so untill we move into the "new" stadium i'll listen to this story and give it the massive sized pinch of salt in deserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 im still dreaming myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Seems to me we are playing a game of "keeping up with Jones'", unfortunately it is a game we will lose. We don't have their resources, or financial clout if you prefer. Now I feel the RS are about to become the subject of a bidding war, with Gillette and the Dubai Government both incredibly wealthy, it saddens me to think we can't attract an investor. But lads and lasses, at least we can still take the moral high ground and say "we still have our integrity", no f*cking money but bags of integrity. <_< ATB Mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willo Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Link Yet again Phil Mcnulty nails his colours to Evertons pipe dream.... Even if we're given the land and even with the sale of Goodison the sums just dont add up,sure we've got the tesco chairman helping us but will he pump any money in of his own??..doubtful and even if and its a big if Tesco sponsered us they wouldnt pump the sort of cash thats needed for this to happen. Its the Kings Dock fiasco all over again and i'm damn sure its mainly down to liverpools now public takeover bid (lets not forget insiders will have known or heard rumours about that months ago). Its a nasty but simple truth..we dont have 150 mill for a move (allowing the land being given to us and the Goodison sale),christ we barely have more than 5-6 mill for close season transfers so untill we move into the "new" stadium i'll listen to this story and give it the massive sized pinch of salt in deserves. Back to the point and trying to get away from the whole '' space dock '' scenario ................. Great post Fozz and totally spot on , we aint got a pot to pi55 in and we're still talking about a ground move . Until BK can attract a takeover or anything like some sort of decent investment in the club ( v v unlikely whilst he is in charge ) then we can all forget about about a move away from Goodison , its just nay gonna happen . I thought ( from a purely Blue perspective ) that a groundshare was the best option for us but it never was for the RS and as quite rightly pointed out by Mcnulty its deffo a no goer now without a doubt . Fozz has mentioned the kings dock and as i have repeated on numerous occasions during my BK rants this is one of his most severe balls ups . It was clearly ( at the time ) one of the most financially viable options we had on a ground move funded mostly by Government and council money and would have kept us in the City but that all went tats up and now look were we are . Dreaming of a new ground is exactly that , just a dream , and now that Liverpool will have their funding for a new ground sorted by a Dubai millionairre we will left in the shade with a '' Dubya '' penny pinching chairman promising the world and delivering nothing . Stanly park will be looking like Las Vegas in a few years time whilst Goodsion ( bless her ) will be looking distictly like Llandudno . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 What about demolishing anfield when they go, and rebuilding Goodison there. A Higher and newer 55.000. ground......................... We have come home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluenose Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 thats an interesting thought licker. however knowing city council wont allow it. theyll bend over backwards to get the stanley park area done. but what will they do for us.......fuck all thats what. at least knowsley actually want us to move there. but i agree with everyone saying that we need to get some investment in. maybe some apache casino owners in america can do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fozzie Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Posts deleted and thread tidied up..(and yes i was guilty of spamming it too).. I have the D for dunce hat at the moment for when anyone wants it. I keep hearing we're moving in the right direction slowly..takes time..we'll get it right,but i'm sorry we need a hell of a lot of money to be pumped into the clab and the sooner it happens the better we'll be..of the top of my head theres about 5 clubs in the PL thats been taken over recently yet we are stuck with billy liar and his cronies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willo Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Posts deleted and thread tidied up..(and yes i was guilty of spamming it too).. I have the D for dunce hat at the moment for when anyone wants it. I keep hearing we're moving in the right direction slowly..takes time..we'll get it right,but i'm sorry we need a hell of a lot of money to be pumped into the clab and the sooner it happens the better Too true my friend , slow is not good enough when compared to other teams that are jumping light years ahead of us a'la Mancs Chelski Spurs RS Arsenal , for christ sake even the barcodes , man Citeh and West Ham are jumping the queue and makin us like like their poorer cousins . BK needs to pull his finger out cos it'll be too late to catch up soon if we dont get some much needed investment a take the club to the next stage , DM is doing a fab job on the pitch but for how long when he's supported by a chairman that hasnt got a pot to pi55 in . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fozzie Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Too true my friend , slow is not good enough when compared to other teams that are jumping light years ahead of us a'la Mancs Chelski Spurs RS Arsenal , for christ sake even the barcodes , man Citeh and West Ham are jumping the queue and makin us like like their poorer cousins . BK needs to pull his finger out cos it'll be too late to catch up soon if we dont get some much needed investment a take the club to the next stage , DM is doing a fab job on the pitch but for how long when he's supported by a chairman that hasnt got a pot to pi55 in . Think you've got it one there mate, Football (for some reason) is attracting more money than ever how long before bolton,blackburn get takeover bids in,think about it for a sec,both have decent stadia so no worries on that front,just money for new players. We're slowly slipping into backwaters here with the cash sloshing round at the moment i have no doubt BK is a true evertionian but if I where in his position i would be looking to bring money in,this has gone on long enough this situation cant be allowed to continue becuase as you point out it will be too late to play catch up at this rate. No doubt the BK defenders will run to his defense with the tired old lines about "more money coming in" well thats as may be but its chickien feed compared to whats needed. We do need a new stadium thats for sure,goodispn is a shed and its been that way for a long time now so that a couple of hundred mill before we start on the real problems concerning the team and the lack of a squad we have. We are slipping into the mire here,more and more clubs will be taken over while and BK sit on our hands gloating over being "the peoples club" which as i've said before means fuck all to anyone else in the premiership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Apparently the Dubai group who want to take the shite over are interested in Liverpool ground sharing with Everton, so that option may still be on the cards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 fuck that idea right off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Could be wrong but I TOOO thought I heard a murmour that the Sheiks pocket money going to the Hill Billys may be dependant on SHARING a stadium. Are Tranmere Moving in wif them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fozzie Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 LOL the hill billys.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Could be wrong but I TOOO thought I heard a murmour that the Sheiks pocket money going to the Hill Billys may be dependant on SHARING a stadium. Are Tranmere Moving in wif them? (sorry for the spamming, its just funny) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 News on the move http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0400eve...-name_page.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fozzie Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Kings dock all over again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 I wonder if we would get triple tesco club card points with a season ticket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 we damn well better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 On a seriouse note. If the deal goes ahead and we do go ahead with building a stadium with Tesco's as partners. We could do a lot worst. Tesco's are a 'get on with it' company with plenty of finacial clout - Especially when it comes to development - they take no crap from potential developers. If they expect something build - Contractors had better make sure it done on time and to budget. They would be a partner who would drive to get things done once the gun goes off so to say. If we signed up with them, then it wouldn't surprise me to see stadium go up in record time. They are not a company to hum and ha about things. If the report that are doing the rounds today are true and we have already signed up with them - don't be suprised if things move very quickly. The talk of us not having any money for a new stadium is a little irrelavent - as it would be paid for with a long term (say 50-100 year) mortgage type of arrangment. Same as most of us - couldn't build a house and pay outright, but we could with a mortgage. A modern stadium would increase the clubs revenue - but all this is details the Goodison money men have to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fozzie Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 We already have a mortgage on the season tickets sales and if i remember rightl;y thats repaid over 35 years. This wont come off i for one am a little cynical as regards the timing of all this,with the RS takeover happening and all. More BK bollocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Sale of the old ground and land would probs pay off our present debt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
java2001e Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 the potential buyer of liverpoo has said that without a shared ground it just wont work! given the huge sum required i think he's right. we need a new stadium so do liverpoo. its ludicrous to have two stadiums at a cost of maybe 150mill each. have the respective boards got the balls for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Have said it before, but i'm surprised no "City Of Culture" money was offered or asked for, to fund a new multi Stadium that suits both teams, superstores, multi cinema complex's and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fozzie Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 the potential buyer of liverpoo has said that without a shared ground it just wont work! given the huge sum required i think he's right. we need a new stadium so do liverpoo. its ludicrous to have two stadiums at a cost of maybe 150mill each. have the respective boards got the balls for it? Now that MAKES sense...fuck sake milan can do it why cant we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 twice a season they trash their own stadium thinking they get one over their rivals, and the pitch is a mess being played on every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fozzie Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 twice a season they trash their own stadium thinking they get one over their rivals, and the pitch is a mess being played on every week. True but they hate each other with a vengance.. Its about time both clubs and fans stopped living in this fucking dreamworld and come to terms with reality 2 stadiums cant be justifed in such a small city its utter madness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 its been that way for over 100 years, so its not that mad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 (edited) Any pitch would not be able to take it these days, League cup, FA cup replays, euro football, and a lot of league games are pushed into midweek fixtures. With two teams sharing, it would be getting played on four or five times a week, even more in some periods. So after thinking about it, a single groundshare just would not work. But it still riles me that our application for Stanley Park was refused, and just 3 months later they got approval. Why didnt the Club Appeal, and call for an inquiry, we have gone from The ONE AND ONLY original club in the city, to the second best by getting pushed out to the outskirts of the city.........I'M FOOKIN ANNOYED. Edited December 12, 2006 by Licker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fozzie Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Any pitch would not be able to take it these days, League cup, FA cup replays, euro football, and a lot of league games are pushed into midweek fixtures. With two teams sharing, it would be getting played on four or five times a week, even more in some periods. So after thinking about it, a single groundshare just would not work. But it still riles me that our application for Stanley Park was refused, and just 3 months later they got approval. Why didnt the Club Appeal, and call for an inquiry, we have gone from The original club in the city, to the second best by getting pushed out to the outskits of the city.........I'M FOOKIN ANNOYED. Money would be an issue or the lack of it Licker,not calling for an inquiry i mean its been that way for over 100 years, so its not that mad Given that it cost 4 sheep and a roll of hay to build both stadiums back in the day it wasnt mad..now its going to cost somewhere in the region of £450 mill for both clubs..now thats certifiable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Bloody hell - fozzie we agree on something. I think a stadium share makes huge finacial sence in this day and age. Half the build cost, so half the mortgage and half the running cost. As Fozzie said, people need a reality check - We are not going to be staying at Goodison, we are lagging behind in the modern stadium stakes. In a perfect world and money was no object, I would like to see Everton have there own Stadium, but becasue of the finaces of football these days, any edge you can get is a huge help - If we saved £5-10M a year by sharing a stadium (becasue of halved running costs and half a mortgage) Thats one very decent players a season. Also means one state of the art stadium in the City - so if in the summer you have huge concerts etc. we will see some income from them. Rather than being in competition with another new stadium. There is an argument that having the pitch used every week will make a mess of the pitch. That can be easily accomadeated these days. I live in Swansea and Swansea City share the stadium with the Swans Rugby team. So it gets played on every week, and rugby (with scrums and mauls etc) wears the pitch a lot more than football. The pitch is always in good condition. Liverpool/Everton have as good as rivalry as any two club city. But in the main I would say its a very healthy rivalry and not a mailisouse one. If any set of fans could share in the UK then it is Liverpool and Everton. That is maybe something the people of the city of Liverpool should feel proud of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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