johny Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 I was looking around the net for an Everton forum to get some honest views on the takeover of my club, Liverpool, for a bit of perspective. I came across one which said it was for 'Thinking Evertonians', seemed ideal to me. So, what do you think about it all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldfishMemory Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 I was looking around the net for an Everton forum to get some honest views on the takeover of my club, Liverpool, for a bit of perspective. I came across one which said it was for 'Thinking Evertonians', seemed ideal to me. So, what do you think about it all? One thing I aint seen mentioned yet, have they got the cash or is it a Glazer type morgage situation?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlue Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 Think they got the cash, thats why theres two of em as I think Gillet couldn't afford it on his own and didn't want to loan any money so he persuaded his mate to join him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldfishMemory Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 Can only be good news then but expect the stadium to be named Pizza Hut Park or Burger King Bowl! One of my Chelsea mates just sent me this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiemaher85 Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 The whole thing is just a continuation of the downward spiral of football. It is largely no longer wholey about talent, but wealth. I also think its funny that Liverpool fans have chanted "USA, USA, USA!" at Man Utd about the Glazer situation and now they find themselves in exactley the same situation and don;t really care. At the end of the day if Liverpool go on to win the league within the next three years it will be the money that has won it for them. Their pre-takeover squad and managment would not win the league, they would not even get close. Im not trying to be disrespectful of Liverpool but its the truth. In certain papers it has been said that this has been the most exciting premiership ever. What a joke! just becasue for one week it looked like there was an outisde chance of it being a 4 horse race, however that was never going to be the case and Man Utd have been top all season (bar one week when chelsea ent top) that is not exciting, its just surprising that chelsea arn;t top. I don;t like the whole takeover, "teams being richmans playthings" situation. The gaps between teams are getting larger and larger, and without a huge cash injection the gap in unbridgable. The Rich will get richer, the poor will get poorer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted February 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 (edited) yeah, they've got the money. Gillett got knocked back at first because Moores was worried about his ability financially to run a team long term, and was worried that we'd end up with a Man U type situation. Gillett went away and came back with an even richer bloke as well. I think that, aside from their nationality, this takeover is as far from the Glazer one as possible. When Glazer 1st visited Old Trafford he was made to leave in the back of a police van becasue the bizzies feared for his life! Thing is, there'll be plenty of people giving us shit about being owned by the yanks, but anyone else could end up in the same situation down the line, I doubt we will be the last. Most probably crave it. For me, I'm not sure at the moment what I think, all we've had so far is one surreal press conference and a shit load of speculation. They're going to call the new stadium something daft though The Microsoft Anfield Arena or some such tosh. At least Kit Kat and McCain Ovan Chips have prior commitments. Edited February 9, 2007 by johny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 Both of these lads have a good grounding in sports and will be an asset to the RS. As to how the future will pan out, not too sure on that score. Learner at Villa seems to have the clubs interest at heart, but he is an individual, you have a partnership and I feel that could well lead to problems down the line. ATB Mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest once-a-blue! Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 The whole thing is just a continuation of the downward spiral of football. It is largely no longer wholey about talent, but wealth. At the end of the day if Liverpool go on to win the league within the next three years it will be the money that has won it for them. Their pre-takeover squad and managment would not win the league, they would not even get close. Im not trying to be disrespectful of Liverpool but its the truth. Just maybe somebody at Anfield realised that without a major injection of capital they would not achieve their long term objectives and decided to do something positive. Sport all over the world is huge business and we worry more about paying a few quid back to the bank than strengthening our squad. How far away are we from being a very good team? Yes it feels great to take 3 points off Liverpool but surely we want more than that. Years of relegation battles caused us a lot of embarrassment and I for one couldn't give a flying fck where the money comes from if it put's us in a position to be a real threat. Why are we so preoccupied about who invests in a football club. Let's face it a lot of Evertonians are very pleased with Chelsea as it has made it even more difficult for Liverpool to win anything! Time to worry about ourselves and stop being accountants! We are football fans for fcks sake. If Liverpool do win the Premiership in the next few seasons it will be down to business planning and making sure that they have the funds to give them success. Just maybe we can learn from that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zed Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 Just maybe somebody at Anfield realised that without a major injection of capital they would not achieve their long term objectives and decided to do something positive. Sport all over the world is huge business and we worry more about paying a few quid back to the bank than strengthening our squad. How far away are we from being a very good team? Yes it feels great to take 3 points off Liverpool but surely we want more than that. Years of relegation battles caused us a lot of embarrassment and I for one couldn't give a flying fck where the money comes from if it put's us in a position to be a real threat. Why are we so preoccupied about who invests in a football club. Let's face it a lot of Evertonians are very pleased with Chelsea as it has made it even more difficult for Liverpool to win anything! Time to worry about ourselves and stop being accountants! We are football fans for fcks sake. If Liverpool do win the Premiership in the next few seasons it will be down to business planning and making sure that they have the funds to give them success. Just maybe we can learn from that! I dont think many Evertonians would turn their nose at a billionaire take over, but this is a thread disscussing Liverpoos take over, which is fair comment, and open for debate. I think moores got the best deal possible, but all they mega money take overs look good dont they in the short term. The Anfield 39rs are now just a private buisness to two investors (as mac said this could lead to trouble) who dont give a feck about anything but making money, theirs no love or passion in them, despite what they may say. As long as the team do the business, the supporters wont care. I suppose we'll have to wait and see, you wont see the fall out for another 10 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest once-a-blue! Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 I dont think many Evertonians would turn their nose at a billionaire take over, but this is a thread disscussing Liverpoos take over, which is fair comment, and open for debate. I think moores got the best deal possible, but all they mega money take overs look good dont they in the short term. The Anfield 39rs are now just a private buisness to two investors (as mac said this could lead to trouble) who dont give a feck about anything but making money, theirs no love or passion in them, despite what they may say. As long as the team do the business, the supporters wont care. I suppose we'll have to wait and see, you wont see the fall out for another 10 years So what has changed? Lot's of faceless wonders investing money in sport to try and make a few quid. Do Chelsea supporters think to themselves, "well if it hadn't been for Roman we would still be winning nothing! Do they fck - they are loving every minute of their success and so they should. If it all falls to pieces in 10 years what do you think they would have preferred? If Liverpool add to their trophy cabinet are they going to be bothered - I don't think so! Let's face it we could all be dead tomorrow and I would rather take success with me than failure. Personally I think that Liverpool played the take over deal very well and used DIC to their best advantage.Both of the American's have been involved in sport for a very long time and their future road map looks impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted February 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 I dont think many Evertonians would turn their nose at a billionaire take over, but this is a thread disscussing Liverpoos take over, which is fair comment, and open for debate. I think moores got the best deal possible, but all they mega money take overs look good dont they in the short term. The Anfield 39rs are now just a private buisness to two investors (as mac said this could lead to trouble) who dont give a feck about anything but making money, theirs no love or passion in them, despite what they may say. As long as the team do the business, the supporters wont care. I suppose we'll have to wait and see, you wont see the fall out for another 10 years I hope they do intend to make money from us. The only way they'll do that is if we win things regularly, which is all us supporters want at the end of the day. Its a real shame that football went down this path, but it did. Maybe once we're all owned by rich businessmen and the playing field is level(er) again, then we can go back to worrying about the football on the pitch again, and leave the moneymen to worry about the money. That would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 So what has changed? Lot's of faceless wonders investing money in sport to try and make a few quid. Do Chelsea supporters think to themselves, "well if it hadn't been for Roman we would still be winning nothing! Do they fck - they are loving every minute of their success and so they should. If it all falls to pieces in 10 years what do you think they would have preferred? If Liverpool add to their trophy cabinet are they going to be bothered - I don't think so! Let's face it we could all be dead tomorrow and I would rather take success with me than failure. Personally I think that Liverpool played the take over deal very well and used DIC to their best advantage.Both of the American's have been involved in sport for a very long time and their future road map looks impressive. I think the Chelsea fans will care if it falls apart in 10 years because they will have no club to support if Roman fucks off, they'll be up shit creek without a paddle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillaGTiR Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 its all about making money here nothing else and if they dont win anything big to bring in the money to replace the money the have been pumping into the clubs i see them cutting there loss and leaving this would be over say 5 to 8 yr term Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraccerC Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 roman wont fuck off, he'll give the club to his son Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 roman wont fuck off, he'll give the club to his son Why, did he ask for a cowboy outfit for his birthday?. :thumbsup_still: ATB Mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted February 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Even if he doesn't give it to his son I'm sure they will be OK. After all he's going to have to sell his shares to someone. They will get another rich chairman after Abramovic I'm pretty sure of it. I suppose the same logic applies to us now too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 John... I heard a rumour about 'new anfield' apparently it can not be UEFA 5 star stadium because there isn't 1000 hotel rooms in Liverpool of a 5 star standard which means the biggest footballing competition final it could host is the UEFA Cup as it 'only' requires 500 rooms of 5 star or above. Have you heard that of that before ? If that is s the case it makes moving from a 4 star stadium to a 4 stadium a bit farcical and very expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny Posted February 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 John... I heard a rumour about 'new anfield' apparently it can not be UEFA 5 star stadium because there isn't 1000 hotel rooms in Liverpool of a 5 star standard which means the biggest footballing competition final it could host is the UEFA Cup as it 'only' requires 500 rooms of 5 star or above. Have you heard that of that before ? If that is s the case it makes moving from a 4 star stadium to a 4 stadium a bit farcical and very expensive. I did hear something like that a while ago, when the original plans were announced. I have to say I disagree that it is 'farcical' to move to our new ground. The reason we're moving is for money, not for the chance to stage the Champions League final. We're miles behind United, Arsenal and Newcastle when it comes to gate receipts and corporate entertainment money, and with United seemingly able to add more seats at will, we're only going to fall further behind. Presumably, if and when Liverpool has 1000 5* hotel rooms, the the new ground will be upgraded to a 5* stadium anyway? The current Anfield however will not, as it cannot be expanded. As to the expense, yes I agree it is expensive. We could have gone down the route Bolton did, and built it on some waste ground a few miles away for a lot less money, but I doubt whether the board gave that too much serious consideration, it would've been a very unpopular decision. It's a wrench to leave Anfield, but the fact that we're only moving 200yds or so is one hell of a sweetener in the deal. The fact that our new chairmen are paying for the stadium themselves, and not with debt like Arsenal did, makes the money matter pretty irrelevant anyway. Once it's up, it's up, and it's ours lock, stock, and barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldfishMemory Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 I did hear something like that a while ago, when the original plans were announced. I have to say I disagree that it is 'farcical' to move to our new ground. The reason we're moving is for money, not for the chance to stage the Champions League final. We're miles behind United, Arsenal and Newcastle when it comes to gate receipts and corporate entertainment money, and with United seemingly able to add more seats at will, we're only going to fall further behind. Presumably, if and when Liverpool has 1000 5* hotel rooms, the the new ground will be upgraded to a 5* stadium anyway? The current Anfield however will not, as it cannot be expanded. As to the expense, yes I agree it is expensive. We could have gone down the route Bolton did, and built it on some waste ground a few miles away for a lot less money, but I doubt whether the board gave that too much serious consideration, it would've been a very unpopular decision. It's a wrench to leave Anfield, but the fact that we're only moving 200yds or so is one hell of a sweetener in the deal. The fact that our new chairmen are paying for the stadium themselves, and not with debt like Arsenal did, makes the money matter pretty irrelevant anyway. Once it's up, it's up, and it's ours lock, stock, and barrel. No its not It's the owned by the new owners and as business men surly if they did sell up that would leave Liverpool in a lease situation! Yes Arsenal's stadium is purchased with debt but its a club debt rather than a chairman debt so even if their chairman was to sell up the situation wouldnt change. In theory Liverpool could be owned by someone new in 10 years while the stadium is still owned by the Yanks meaning revenue from ticket sales, food & drink & stadium events could be pouring into their pockets rather than Liverpool FC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkey1 Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 The funny thing is if Liverpool had gone with Dubai International Capital (DIC) they would have had endless money put into the club, with the yanks it will be limited!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 The funny thing is if Liverpool had gone with Dubai International Capital (DIC) they would have had endless money put into the club, with the yanks it will be limited!!! Do you think that DIC group would have been good for Liverpool? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkey1 Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Do you think that DIC group would have been good for Liverpool? Yes i think they would have been, they are very passionate people over here in Dubai and if DIC had taken over then it would have been all about the success for the football team and not just about how much money they can make out of them, they have enough money as it is. When you read articles about the emirate royal family all they want to be is the best and they would have done anything to make Liverpool the best, which makes it a good thing that they pulled out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 That's good. Are there many other Evertonians out there with you - I've never heard of a Dubia Blues Supporters Club and I think there is a chance that there is more than of you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkey1 Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 That's good. Are there many other Evertonians out there with you - I've never heard of a Dubia Blues Supporters Club and I think there is a chance that there is more than of you Yes there is its called Dubai Toffees, we have about 30 members so far and we meet every game as they show all the premiership games over here. Unfortunately we meet in a hotel called The Chelsea Hotel which i am trying to get changed. Most of the english and scottish clubs have supporter clubs over here which meet in their respective hotels, it's quite a good atmosphere on match day but obviously not the same as being at Goodison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteeleRED Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 On a side note: you know, honest to God, as an American I have to laugh at Englishmen's unwillingness to have your stadiums carry corporate names on them, but you think nothing of pimping out your players as shills for corporations. I mean, shouldn't the CLUB name be the most prominent name on the front of the jersey, not some over-eager corporate whoremongers? Who really cares about the name on the stadium? When Americans think of their team, they think of the city represented, the players and management. Stadiums are further down the list. Please, someone help me explain this reluctance to have any stadium sponsored. The "naming rights" would bring additional revenue to the club, so it can't be that. Tradition, perhaps? Well, not all traditions are good ones, are they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlue Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 In my opinion I think it is tradition, you associate that stadium to your club. As Goodison, its steeped in history. I don't think it would have the same credentials if it was called Pizza Hut Park (FC Dallas home ground). Also I think sponsors come and go, but the building will always be there, will always represent some history of the respective club. Personally I'd like the stadium to be called something that is synonymous with the club as corporate companies get bought and what happens then? Does the stadium change name to the new company? Stadiums represent the club I feel and if the stadium is named by someone not connected with the club I think it doesn't represent the club to its full. Hmm not sure that makes sense but sod it Its hard to explain but will end with... Every Englishman's home is his Castle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldfishMemory Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 (edited) On a side note: you know, honest to God, as an American I have to laugh at Englishmen's unwillingness to have your stadiums carry corporate names on them, but you think nothing of pimping out your players as shills for corporations. I mean, shouldn't the CLUB name be the most prominent name on the front of the jersey, not some over-eager corporate whoremongers? Who really cares about the name on the stadium? When Americans think of their team, they think of the city represented, the players and management. Stadiums are further down the list. Please, someone help me explain this reluctance to have any stadium sponsored. The "naming rights" would bring additional revenue to the club, so it can't be that. Tradition, perhaps? Well, not all traditions are good ones, are they? Pizza Hut Park - No thank you! The point you make is a bad one too we have chang on our shirt but the shirt is not called the chang shirt whereas if we "pimped out" our stadium it would be "The Chang Arena" or something similar. The shirt sponsor is comparable to carrying avertising boards etc within the stadium. You also would not understand the mentality of an english sports fan being American for the simple fact that your whole nation has been whoring out every aspect of its sports for decades now. Our team name is OUR team name, our staduim is OUR castle & our badge is OUR badge. It isnt changed on the whim of any new owner or sponsor our heritage is important and our clubs are seen as belonging to the fans rather than being money generators for already rich owners. Sport is about competition not making money! Edited February 13, 2007 by GoldfishMemory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 I'm sure YORK CITY would agree with you now that they play in The "KIT KAT STADIUM". No amount of money could compensate for that Embarrassment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 The Kit Kat Stadium is located in Kit Kat Crescent, even worse. In the good ole US of A, corporate naming of a stadium is par for the course, over here it is a relatively new concept. With the revelation of Viagra becoming available over the counter, I would like to offer the following...... The Big Hard Blue Stadium. I love you all. ATB Mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Mac said.......................The Big Hard Blue Stadium. ....... And the supporters who always rise to the occasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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