Romey 1878 Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 does the start of the season show that ferrari are at a total loss without Brawn running the show? everyone seems to be backing BrawnGP, i dont want them to cover the car with sponsors though, it looks great as it is. Brawn wasn't there last season I don't think and they did fine then. I'm backing Brawn though, it's a good story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Im backing Brawn this year, like mark said its a good story, would be great to see Button win the title. Im a fan of Hamilton but Mclaren are pissing me off more and more with the way they are going about their business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 I turned the race on just as they had stopped. Jenson was sitting in 1st place and I was wondering what the hell was going on. It wasn't long before the camera's went round the circuit showing how much rain was being put down. I'm supporting Button this season because he's British and down the the fact that he's on that Brawn and making history. Never really liked Hamilton and have got even more pissed of with him and his team for what they've done this season. Once one team starts to challenge them they go down the path of cheating...pathetic? I guess not much of it is down to Hamilton but I guess he gets the bad press all the same as McLaren do. Did anyone see the supporters during the race being abandoned? There was a hill on the side of the Sepang circuit where four lads were sliding down on their backs. Our camera's caught it all, great to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 McLaren have sacked Dave Ryan (spot the scapegoat) and have been summoned to appear before the FIA on 29th April. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/7988471.stm How they can sack Ryan after 35 years but do nothing to Hamilton when they both stood before the stewards in Australia and backed each other up is beyond me. It's bullshit, we're supposed to believe Hamilton is the little boy just going along with it!? Stinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy the blue Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 McLaren have sacked Dave Ryan (spot the scapegoat) and have been summoned to appear before the FIA on 29th April. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/7988471.stm How they can sack Ryan after 35 years but do nothing to Hamilton when they both stood before the stewards in Australia and backed each other up is beyond me. It's bullshit, we're supposed to believe Hamilton is the little boy just going along with it!? Stinks. He won't be a little boy lost when the FIA get hold of him Mike, his lying arse won't touch the ground Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 The limit on funds allowed to the teams to develope their cars levels the playing field a bit and it shows now that Ferrari and McClaren are not as talented as we were all led to believe. Good for the "smaller" teams I say. I will be happpy as Larry if Brawn win the title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Speculation that Anthony Hamilton has... ..struck some sort of ’plea bargain’ (with Max Mosley) which would see Hamilton granted amnesty against further action in exchange for ’coming clean’. He's also said to be furious that Lewis' integrity has been called into question. So if he didn't lie and his integrity is intact what does he have to come clean about ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 leave me alone or i'll get my dad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Ross Brawn not looking a happy man after coming out of the diffuser hearing today.... Reporter "Did you get a fair hearing?" Brawn (stoney faced) "No comment I'm afraid." Hmmm....can understand him not commenting on what he thinks the verdict will be but to refuse to acknowledge that it had been fair is mighty worrying . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 But then again appearances can be deceptive....thankfully . http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/7996698.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy the blue Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 But then again appearances can be deceptive....thankfully . http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/7996698.stm Best news for a while and it surprised me as well Mike, we'll be able to keep our fingers on the button all season now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 that was poor jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy the blue Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 that was poor jim Thanks Steve Ron Dennis has gone, who next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iggy Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 (edited) http://i.ebayimg.com/14/!BPlZmVg!m...IU!~~_1.JPG Appropriate? Edited April 16, 2009 by iggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy the blue Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Button was right off the pace today, fifth on the grid but the McLaren has improved, Hamilton up to ninth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy the blue Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 Vettel wins it, Red Bulls first podium win with Weber second it gave them a one two Button made third and Hamilton sixth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zequist Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 Renault's boss has some rather childish comments: http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/racing/f1/ne...tory?id=4076086 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy the blue Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 Renault's boss has some rather childish comments: http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/racing/f1/ne...tory?id=4076086 Flavio Briatore is like a poor batch of wine, full of sour grapes. This man is the major shareholder in QPR, enough said he is becoming an expert loser and sounds like it as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 Flavio Briatore is like a poor batch of wine, full of sour grapes. This man is the major shareholder in QPR, enough said he is becoming an expert loser and sounds like it as well Mate of mine's a big QPR fan, apparently Briatore is playing the "I pick the team" card, even phoned from Malaysia at half time a couple of weeks back to instruct the manager on substitutions . Brawn would have won a dry race yesterday, but I like Vettel a lot so good for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 how can he critisise the other teams for winning? the reason ferarri, mclaren & renault aren't at the top of the tables is because they have simply not been good enough! buck your ideas up and catch them up, or take your loses with dignity! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sporting4ever Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 how can he critisise the other teams for winning? the reason ferarri, mclaren & renault aren't at the top of the tables is because they have simply not been good enough! buck your ideas up and catch them up, or take your loses with dignity! SteveO, I don't think you understand just how much this technology affects a car's performance. The implementations FIA made this year were in order to level the playing field, so that all teams would be more on equal grounds than previously, where the big names like williams, renault, mclaren and ferrari dominated. The limitations that were imposed were designed to facilitate overtaking, because the cars would be less aerodynamic, but this dissipator pretty much circumvents that, allowing for a faster air dissipation and a smaller succion effect behind them, meaning faster turns and the overtaking effect is essencially negated. What these 3 teams did was, by a now clearly visible flaw in the lettering of the law, circumvented it altogether. But don't worry, teams like ferrari, mclaren and renault will pretty soon have their own copied dissipators, smaller teams won't, because they don't have the proper funds for a fast introduction, but by then it'll probably be too late. I like Button, a lot more than I like Hamilton, that's for sure, but the fact is, that simple piece of technology allows pilots to go 0,5 to 1 second faster, and the laws FIA introduced were to level the playing field. Of course, the big guns that are complaining, I don't doubt for a second they'd have used it as well, if they'd come up with the idea and had it legaly tested to the limits, like these did, so yeah, in that regard, it's hipocrisy on their part, but the effect it has on the sport is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy the blue Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 SteveO, I don't think you understand just how much this technology affects a car's performance. The implementations FIA made this year were in order to level the playing field, so that all teams would be more on equal grounds than previously, where the big names like williams, renault, mclaren and ferrari dominated. The limitations that were imposed were designed to facilitate overtaking, because the cars would be less aerodynamic, but this dissipator pretty much circumvents that, allowing for a faster air dissipation and a smaller succion effect behind them, meaning faster turns and the overtaking effect is essencially negated. What these 3 teams did was, by a now clearly visible flaw in the lettering of the law, circumvented it altogether. But don't worry, teams like ferrari, mclaren and renault will pretty soon have their own copied dissipators, smaller teams won't, because they don't have the proper funds for a fast introduction, but by then it'll probably be too late. I like Button, a lot more than I like Hamilton, that's for sure, but the fact is, that simple piece of technology allows pilots to go 0,5 to 1 second faster, and the laws FIA introduced were to level the playing field. Of course, the big guns that are complaining, I don't doubt for a second they'd have used it as well, if they'd come up with the idea and had it legaly tested to the limits, like these did, so yeah, in that regard, it's hipocrisy on their part, but the effect it has on the sport is not. What you say is of course correct S4E but that technology has proven to be legal. Briatore is actually showing his poor sportsmanship with the comments he has made....................why moan when they have done nothing wrong, the answer lies with the man rather than the technology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 exactly - no rules were broken. not button, barrichello or brawns fault that other teams didnt work this one out as well as they did. hes making out they should say sorry for winning races! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sporting4ever Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 What you say is of course correct S4E but that technology has proven to be legal. Briatore is actually showing his poor sportsmanship with the comments he has made....................why moan when they have done nothing wrong, the answer lies with the man rather than the technology exactly - no rules were broken. not button, barrichello or brawns fault that other teams didnt work this one out as well as they did. hes making out they should say sorry for winning races! Well, yes and no. The tech is indeed legal, but it's a loophole, so to speak. They used the letter of the law, not the spirit. I'm not saying they were wrong, it's FIA's fault, for not seeing what might come out, especially when the teams started to really make sure they weren't breaking the law, just bending it as far as it would go. As for Briatore's remarks, I agree. If his team had come up with the tech, he'd use it in a heartbeat, like ferrari and all the others, and they know it too, which is why they aren't bitching like this. But that doesn't change the fact that, when the other teams like mclaren, renault and ferrari get their dissipators in working condition, the championship will probably be settled, and FIA's plans to level the race track, as it were, were completely ruined by this. It's not the team's fault, it's FIA, for leaving enough room for this to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 It's a much more level playing field this year than last as it stands, so in that respect the new rules have worked perfectly. Red Bull don't have the split level diffuser and they seem to be coping . Also, Ross Brawn attempted to point out the loophole at a constructors meeting months ago and no-one was interested, said they wanted the rules left as they were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sporting4ever Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 It's a much more level playing field this year than last as it stands, so in that respect the new rules have worked perfectly. Red Bull don't have the split level diffuser and they seem to be coping . Also, Ross Brawn attempted to point out the loophole at a constructors meeting months ago and no-one was interested, said they wanted the rules left as they were. Rain races are always a coin toss Didn't know about that meeting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 Rain races are always a coin toss Didn't know about that meeting... The Red Bull's were very close to Brawn in qualfying though, which was dry. They're good cars with good drivers (Vettel in particular). The meeting was actually more than a year ago (http://www.patronisef1.com/index.php/f1-ne...-about-loophole) and Mike Gascoyne, who was working for the BBC on Sunday in the absence of Eddie Jordan, was there and confirmed what Brawn had said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sporting4ever Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 The Red Bull's were very close to Brawn in qualfying though, which was dry. They're good cars with good drivers (Vettel in particular). The meeting was actually more than a year ago (http://www.patronisef1.com/index.php/f1-ne...-about-loophole) and Mike Gascoyne, who was working for the BBC on Sunday in the absence of Eddie Jordan, was there and confirmed what Brawn had said. Just read it. In all fairness he didn't say there was a loophole, he said that the rules could be made simpler, and that would have cleaned up a lot of issues. but I get his point, he made his pitch regarding the problem with the law, and they didn't listen, so it's not his fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Amazing that only 1.4 seconds cover the whole field in second practice for Bahrain. Also amazing that the five slowest are.. 16. Ferrari 17. Sauber 18. Ferrari 19. McLaren 20. Sauber What a change in fortune! Race (and grid) still likely to be between Brawn and Red Bull though . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Toyota front row, then Vettel, Button & Hamilton. Toyota and Vettel will be light on fuel I'd have thought, Hamilton could get a flyer with KERS on board but I still think Jenson's the favourite. Hamilton could be in with a shout though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy the blue Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Toyota front row, then Vettel, Button & Hamilton. Toyota and Vettel will be light on fuel I'd have thought, Hamilton could get a flyer with KERS on board but I still think Jenson's the favourite. Hamilton could be in with a shout though. Hamilton will win only to have his points taken away on Thursday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Hamilton will win only to have his points taken away on Thursday Unlikely I don't think....he's not personally charged with anything....but possible. Toyota's are light, particularly Glock....got four laps less fuel than Button & Hamilton (who both have the same amount). Trulli a couple of laps less than the Brits but Vettel is carrying more! Got probably three extra laps on them. He's beginning to look like a hugely impressive driver! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Faultless drive from Jenson, very impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy the blue Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Faultless drive from Jenson, very impressive. Agreed Mike but in a perverse sort of way so was Hamilton's effort in a much slower car.................he is proving he can drive as well. Why Ferrari haven't got it right yet is baffling me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Nice piece on Button . http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/8022027.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Four wins from five. Button is the new Schumacher ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraccerC Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 button is my favourite driver, but it's nothing to do with F1 it's based purely on the lifestyle. good race from him today today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 well done to Button again, 14 point lead now, he can fuck up next race and still be leading the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 ferrari spitting their dummy out big time. guess they arent so confident in a level playing field. http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12433_5317968,00.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sporting4ever Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 ferrari spitting their dummy out big time.guess they arent so confident in a level playing field. http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12433_5317968,00.html How is it that creating 2 different sets of rules is considered a level playing field? What the new regulation intends is, the teams that keep operating as before have the same regulations has before, but teams that limit their budget to £40 million will have diferent rules, technological advantages over the others. Is this a level playing field? And by the way, even though only Ferrari has made this bold statement, they're not alone. Toyota, BMW-Sauber and Red Bull are also against this new regulation, not to mention that EVERYONE is against the new rule of only awarding points to the race winners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 capping the budget is making more of a level playing field than they currently have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sporting4ever Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 capping the budget is making more of a level playing field than they currently have. They're not capping the budgets. They're giving tech boosts to the teams that stay under 40 million. That's creating w sets of regulations. And Renault have gone public also saying that they will not join next year if the new regulations go into effect. If Bernie pushes, and those teams don't back down, how interesting is gonna be to have an F1 without BMW, Renault of Ferrari? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 so F1 cant be exciting without big names? its bigger than ferarri and renault. its about the teams who do turn up, not the teams that dont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 There are several potential new teams who'd come in if the cap is put in place. Renault are really only notable for introducing turbo cars in the seventies and then a very short history as Benneton in the last decade....BMW were nothing more than engine suppliers until 2006. Neither would be a great loss. Ferrari would be sad, but it would harm them more than F1 imo. There's nowhere else for them to go unless they set up a rival formula. Going back people would have said that Alfa Romeo, Ligier, Tyrrell, Lotus & Brabham were irreplacable F1 marques but the sport goes on happily without them . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sporting4ever Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 so F1 cant be exciting without big names?its bigger than ferarri and renault. its about the teams who do turn up, not the teams that dont. There are several potential new teams who'd come in if the cap is put in place. Renault are really only notable for introducing turbo cars in the seventies and then a very short history as Benneton in the last decade....BMW were nothing more than engine suppliers until 2006. Neither would be a great loss. Ferrari would be sad, but it would harm them more than F1 imo. There's nowhere else for them to go unless they set up a rival formula. Going back people would have said that Alfa Romeo, Ligier, Tyrrell, Lotus & Brabham were irreplacable F1 marques but the sport goes on happily without them . It's not a question of excitement or not. If Ferrari, Renault and Toyota bail out, that leaves BMW and Mercedes as engine manufacturers. IF they go, what engines are they gonna use? Besides, right now, half the teams are poised to force the issue, Ferrari is already considering joining the Le Mans circuit. And if those teams, or the entire FOTA (formula 1 Teams Association) desides to create a championship of their own, or join another, even if teams take over for the ones that left, you're gonna have a lot less engines, plus it's gonna make a lot less money, both in advertising and TV rights, not to mention the new competition arrising from whereever those teams go to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 ok, a long standing formula will suddenly die because the teams decide to just start their own. so after the FIA get involved in the new formula, how long until these ideas come back again. if its that simple i guess the only problem in formula 1 is bernie eccleston? its a fucking joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sporting4ever Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/05/14/...-piero-ferrari/ I think this article reflects Ferrari's ideas regarding this new regulation... I don't think it's Bernie or Max's fault, but doing things without consulting with the teams, and without their approval, is wrong. And, since the teams have the ability to decide whether they'll participate or not, and that their presence is important, it stands to reason that they should be a part of the process. As things are now, half the teams have come out against this new regulation, and if Ferrari and Renault do indeed go through, I don't see the others backing down either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Are Ferrari not being a little hypocritical here.. "...if we are on the starting line of a Grand Prix, we have to stay within the same regulations, the same technical specifications." They're quite happy to run KERS as an optional system (giving themselves a technical advantage) while other teams that don't have the resources to have developed it go without. There was a "two tier" championship of a sort in the seventies when Renault (then others) ran with 1.5l V6 turbo engines against the 3l normally aspirated ones, they all ended up at pretty much the same pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sporting4ever Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Are Ferrari not being a little hypocritical here.. "...if we are on the starting line of a Grand Prix, we have to stay within the same regulations, the same technical specifications." They're quite happy to run KERS as an optional system (giving themselves a technical advantage) while other teams that don't have the resources to have developed it go without. There was a "two tier" championship of a sort in the seventies when Renault (then others) ran with 1.5l V6 turbo engines against the 3l normally aspirated ones, they all ended up at pretty much the same pace. That's not the point. The point is, if they want to create a budget cap, make it a limit for everyone. If they want to create a tech limit, (like nascar and others) do it for everyone. This 2 rule system is not only much more contrevertial, it's nigh impossible to enforce properly. So if FIA allow for these loopholes to exist, they should try and fix them, not create the possibilities for more loopholes to form and be exploited. You mentioned optional systems, and then there's the tech lingo that allowed this dissipator crisis, so to, it's quite simple, create regulations that limit what they want to limit, because more gaps and divisions won't help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy the blue Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Ferrari have had that appeal thrown out by the French courts, quite rightly IMO. The capping idea has to be a good one in the present financial climate as too many team would be left without hope due to the vast wealth of a few.................now where else could this apply???????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sporting4ever Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Ferrari have had that appeal thrown out by the French courts, quite rightly IMO. The capping idea has to be a good one in the present financial climate as too many team would be left without hope due to the vast wealth of a few.................now where else could this apply???????? A limit on spending IS a good idea, but properly implemented, not creating 2 set of rules for those that can and those that can't. And in football, how would you apply it?? Teams under the cap would play with 12, or start with a goal in the net already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy the blue Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 A limit on spending IS a good idea, but properly implemented, not creating 2 set of rules for those that can and those that can't. And in football, how would you apply it?? Teams under the cap would play with 12, or start with a goal in the net already? What would Ferrari prefer SL, a total cap for all teams or this. The basic rule of thumb here is that if they are so good then surely work within the cap at which point they would be on an equal footing with everyone else but it seems that they rely on a financial advantage which they wish to maintain via the courts, tough shit IMO. In this country rugby league is governed by capping and works well, how would Benitez, SAF et a go on if they had the same money as say Tony Pullis at Stoke.......................would they be the same lauded managers, I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sporting4ever Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 What would Ferrari prefer SL, a total cap for all teams or this. The basic rule of thumb here is that if they are so good then surely work within the cap at which point they would be on an equal footing with everyone else but it seems that they rely on a financial advantage which they wish to maintain via the courts, tough shit IMO. In this country rugby league is governed by capping and works well, how would Benitez, SAF et a go on if they had the same money as say Tony Pullis at Stoke.......................would they be the same lauded managers, I doubt it. Don't know if you read the link I posted earlier, but it says basically that. They're not opposed to a budget cap, they're opposed to 2 different sets of rules beeing applied. It's not the cap, it's the fact that it's optional, and that teams that go for it have a different set of rules to go by, and tech advantages the other teams don't. So, like I said, imagine the same beeing applied to football. If your budget is bellow X, you can play with 12 players. Doesn't seem so fair now, does it? Of course, without knowing exactly what the tech advantages would be a direct comparison like this is impossible, but it does give you the general idea. And don't forget, a lot of people see this as a temper tantrum from ferrari, but they forget that toyota, red bull, toro rosso and renault are also against this rule, and renault have already said that they won't be in the next season. That leaves 2 engine manufacturers, bmw and mercedes, which is probably not enough for the whole teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy the blue Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Don't know if you read the link I posted earlier, but it says basically that. They're not opposed to a budget cap, they're opposed to 2 different sets of rules beeing applied. It's not the cap, it's the fact that it's optional, and that teams that go for it have a different set of rules to go by, and tech advantages the other teams don't. So, like I said, imagine the same beeing applied to football. If your budget is bellow X, you can play with 12 players. Doesn't seem so fair now, does it? Of course, without knowing exactly what the tech advantages would be a direct comparison like this is impossible, but it does give you the general idea. And don't forget, a lot of people see this as a temper tantrum from ferrari, but they forget that toyota, red bull, toro rosso and renault are also against this rule, and renault have already said that they won't be in the next season. That leaves 2 engine manufacturers, bmw and mercedes, which is probably not enough for the whole teams. At no point do the laws say they have to spend over the cap, if they do it is their choice.................for that reason the civil law action would always fail. I support what the FIA have done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sporting4ever Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 At no point do the laws say they have to spend over the cap, if they do it is their choice.................for that reason the civil law action would always fail. I support what the FIA have done Any regulation that says that there's a budget cap, but only if you want it, leads to 2 sets of rules. If they want to limit spending, this is not the way to do it. I agree with regards to the civil suit, it would always fail, but that's just a propaganda thing by ferrari, I think. Likewise, I also agree with limited spending, but not like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 Going to be an interesting qualifying in Monaco (in about 45 mins). Final practice the big boys were fighting back, only two tenths of a second covering the first seven drivers... Alonso Button Kovalainen Barrichello Massa Raikkonen Hamilton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 Hamilton royally fucked up his chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy the blue Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 Button on the most important pole of the season, nice one Jenson, Hammo back in 16th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 Button on the most important pole of the season, nice one Jenson, Hammo back in 16th Chances are that Raikkonen will take the lead at the start though because he's next to Jenson with KERS at his disposal . Fuel load will then decide it, all things being equal.....if Jenson can run longer that Raikkonen he should take it. Barrichello also may get another flyer from third. Hugely impressive from Button though.....again....pulled that lap seemingly out of nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy the blue Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 (edited) Chances are that Raikkonen will take the lead at the start though because he's next to Jenson with KERS at his disposal . Fuel load will then decide it, all things being equal.....if Jenson can run longer that Raikkonen he should take it. Barrichello also may get another flyer from third. Hugely impressive from Button though.....again....pulled that lap seemingly out of nowhere. That lap astonished everyone, including Button himself Mike Years ago we were involved in a crash on the Monoco course.......................I kid you not, the bus we were in (well you didn't think I had a race car surely )had a mercedes go right up its arse. The police wanted to drag the bus driver off to nick and it wasn't his fault. They even tried to arrest me because I had taken my top off, it was sweltering and I flashed my man tits everywhere (they weren't so big then Edited May 23, 2009 by Jimmy the blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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