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Button on the most important pole of the season, nice one Jenson, Hammo back in 16th

 

 

I'm quite interested to see just how much difference the difffusers will make in this race. Since the changes in aerodynamics were meant to make overtakings easier, cars with diffusers won't be as easy to overtake.

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I'm quite interested to see just how much difference the difffusers will make in this race. Since the changes in aerodynamics were meant to make overtakings easier, cars with diffusers won't be as easy to overtake.

Vitually impossible to overtake at Monoco onder any reguations.

 

Michael Schumacher in a Ferrari would struggle to get past me in my 306 :P .

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Vitually impossible to overtake at Monoco onder any reguations.

 

Michael Schumacher in a Ferrari would struggle to get past me in my 306 :P .

 

I think there were 2 spots where takeovers were possible, but have since dissapeared, because the drag caused by the leading car on the front car as been greatly reduced, and the speed boost the trailing car got because of the reduced air friction from beeing behind another car is virtually gone.

 

The new regs probably will mean that cars with no diffusers just might be vulnerable enough to be overtaken. I certainly hope so, Monaco has been boring due to this. Of course, the crashes and highly tactical races are still exciting, but they lack the appeal of the races back in the 90s...

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Jenson has more fuel on board than anyone else in the top eight. Alonso in 9th is the first car that can run further than him.

 

Makes that lap even more spectacular. Should win again, barring breakdown/accident.

 

(BBC TV disagreeing with the BBC website, they say Barichello has a lap more fuel than Jenson, web says he has a lap less)

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In a nutshell, what are the new rules that has seen Button improve so drastically?

Technical tweaks Louis really; aerodynamic changes, slick tyres returned.

The reason (one of them) that Brawn have done so well is that Honda gave up on last season very early on when they realised they were crap and threw all their weight behind developing this years car.

Not just that, it's a bloody great car and Button has shown himself to be a top notch driver given decent equipment. Up with the best he's ever worked with according to Brawn, and as that includes Schumacher thet's praise indeed.

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Technical tweaks Louis really; aerodynamic changes, slick tyres returned.

The reason (one of them) that Brawn have done so well is that Honda gave up on last season very early on when they realised they were crap and threw all their weight behind developing this years car.

Not just that, it's a bloody great car and Button has shown himself to be a top notch driver given decent equipment. Up with the best he's ever worked with according to Brawn, and as that includes Schumacher thet's praise indeed.

 

Pretty much. The diffusers help a bunch too, since they give a boost of roughly half a second per lap, and a lot of teams didn't start the season with them, and are doing a lot of catch-up now.

 

And yeah, Button is a good driver, better than Massa, Hamilton and pretty much everyone. I'd say Kimmi is the closest to him in the circuit at the moment, and it was nice to see Ferrari up there again.

 

And it turns out that the speed boost and easier overtaking didn't come into play, since the top cars all had them, so once again, the grid defined the outcome, no surprises in the pit stops.

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Vettel pipped Jenson to pole for the race tomorrow, but Jenson has a couple of laps extra fuel on board (one lap more than Rubens in third) so he's still got to be favourite for the race :) .

 

I agree. Although Jenson doesn't need to push the car, he can just cruise till the season's end. Ferrari seem to be improving, 3rd/4th row start, and what the hell is wrong with McLaren??? This is much more than feedback from the rules' changes, the drivers aren't that bad, the car seems to be at it's limit...

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hamiltons quote from today "I didn't have anything left and that's why I'm kind of smiling now - I think I fulfilled my driver potential.

"Our biggest problem is that, for example, I was losing nearly 0.5 seconds through Turn Eight. The car feels heavy. I'm trying to get the thing round but it just won't go any faster."

 

that doesnt sound very good

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hamiltons quote from today "I didn't have anything left and that's why I'm kind of smiling now - I think I fulfilled my driver potential.

"Our biggest problem is that, for example, I was losing nearly 0.5 seconds through Turn Eight. The car feels heavy. I'm trying to get the thing round but it just won't go any faster."

 

that doesnt sound very good

 

Agreed Steve but did you hear what he said immediately before the race started, "I wish those in the front the best of luck" and it was said in the most pissed off manner you could imagine.

 

IMO Button was brilliant today absolutely brilliant :D

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6 wins out of 7, it's too late for any real competition, unless someone can dominate like he's been doing.

 

This season is over.

 

 

Exactly, it's a load of crap now. Don't get me wrong, I want Button to win the Championship but it's not even a competition and it's boring as hell to watch.

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Exactly, it's a load of crap now. Don't get me wrong, I want Button to win the Championship but it's not even a competition and it's boring as hell to watch.

Said it before but I disagree.

If Everton won the first twenty-five games of the season and put us thirty points clear at the top of the table would you be bored?

I wouldn't.

 

It's pure sporting excellence; love it. Hope he keeps it up for the rest of the season and obliterates every record in the book.

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Said it before but I disagree.

If Everton won the first twenty-five games of the season and put us thirty points clear at the top of the table would you be bored?

I wouldn't.

 

It's pure sporting excellence; love it. Hope he keeps it up for the rest of the season and obliterates every record in the book.

 

I couldn't agree more Mike, he still has to get into the car and win. If some of the comments made here had been made after him winning twenty or thirty races like MS did then I could understand that but we have a guy emerging from the shadows in a totally brand new team producing absolutely flawless racing, we Brits should be shouting our heads off for him :P

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I couldn't agree more Mike, he still has to get into the car and win. If some of the comments made here had been made after him winning twenty or thirty races like MS did then I could understand that but we have a guy emerging from the shadows in a totally brand new team producing absolutely flawless racing, we Brits should be shouting our heads off for him :P

 

While there's still a lot of points for the taking, the massive advantage Brawn has is practically enough for a victory. Vattel is 32 points behind, it would take a pretty big disaster for Brawn to loose that big a lead.

 

But you're right, it's still fun to watch. I'm especially looking forward to the night races later in the season.

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A group of leading Formula One teams are to quit the sport and set up a rival championship next year.

 

The Turkish Grand Prix

 

Many of the teams who competed in the Turkish Grand Prix will not be in F1 in 2010

 

Ferrari, McLaren, Renault, Toyota, BMW Sauber, Brawn GP, Red Bull Racing and Toro Rosso have all declined to enter F1 for 2010.

 

The eight teams, which together form the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA), failed to reach a compromise with FIA president Max Mosley over plans for a £40m budget cap.

 

The governing body of motor sports had issued a deadline of Friday for teams to enter next year's championship unconditionally.

 

If Lewis and Jenson were in the same car then Lewis would beat him.

 

Former F1 driver Eddie Irvine

 

FOTA said it had tried to work with the FIA and Bernie Ecclestone, who holds the commercial rights to F1, to "develop and improve the sport" since forming last September.

 

But it added in a statement: "It has become clear, however, the teams cannot continue to compromise on the fundamental values of the sport and have declined to alter their original conditional entries to the 2010 world championship.

 

"These teams, therefore, have no alternative other than to commence the preparation for a new championship which reflects the values of its participants and partners."

 

Many of the team bosses, including Brawn GP's Ross Brawn, were originally in favour of the voluntary budget limit, although Ferrari were not.

 

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FOTA said it had already achieved "substantial measures to reduce costs" and had agreed on further voluntary budget cuts.

 

But Mosley angered the teams when he announced the introduction of a cap at the end of April without consulting them.

 

The teams accused the FIA boss and Ecclestone of trying to divide them and ignoring their views on the future of the sport.

 

As things stand, next year's F1 championship now consists of Williams and Force India, along with the three new teams, USF1, Campos and Manor.

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Two separate championships? Following in the footsteps of darts & boxing. Ridiculous....pull your fingers out people and sort it.

 

If Lewis and Jenson were in the same car then Lewis would beat him.

 

Former F1 driver Eddie Irvine

 

That bit made me laugh....looked up the full article HERE.

WTF would Eddie Irvine know about good drivers :lol: ? He was a waste of rubber.

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FIA (Mosley) planning legal action against the teams...

 

"The actions of Fota as a whole, and Ferrari in particular, amount to serious violations of law including wilful interference with contractual relations, direct breaches of Ferrari's legal obligations and a grave violation of competition law.

 

"Preparations for the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship continue but publication of the final 2010 entry list will be put on hold while the FIA asserts its legal rights."

 

Should have got rid of him when he was caught dressing up as a nazi with the prostitutes, I'm convinced this would never have happened if he'd been sacked. He's as much of a megalomaniac as his father <_< .

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FIA (Mosley) planning legal action against the teams...

 

"The actions of Fota as a whole, and Ferrari in particular, amount to serious violations of law including wilful interference with contractual relations, direct breaches of Ferrari's legal obligations and a grave violation of competition law.

 

"Preparations for the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship continue but publication of the final 2010 entry list will be put on hold while the FIA asserts its legal rights."

 

Should have got rid of him when he was caught dressing up as a nazi with the prostitutes, I'm convinced this would never have happened if he'd been sacked. He's as much of a megalomaniac as his father <_< .

 

That's what happens when the ones calling the shots are not the ones out there competing. As it stands, with all the engine manufacturers behind FOTA, I'm curious to see what engines the F1 cars are gonna have next season... :D

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I have a strong feeling that Red Bull will close the gap on Brawn very quickly. Vettel may even overtake Button for the championship.

 

The Red Bull team (formerly Jaguar by the way) has the better car now.

 

The Brawn is still pretty good though, so I think it could be very close by the end of the season. I expect it to get a lot more exciting from here on in.

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I have a strong feeling that Red Bull will close the gap on Brawn very quickly. Vettel may even overtake Button for the championship.

 

The Red Bull team (formerly Jaguar by the way) has the better car now.

 

The Brawn is still pretty good though, so I think it could be very close by the end of the season. I expect it to get a lot more exciting from here on in.

 

 

I hope so!

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I hope so!

I hope not :P .

 

Brawn were a victim of the quality of their car at Silverstone.....it's so easy on tyres that there wasn't enough stress put on them to heat them up given the cold weather......and given the need for grip in flat out cornering there they were stuffed. And Jenson was still the fastest man on the track at the end of the race.

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Things are looking a lot better for Massa now by the looks of it.

Good news.

One in a million freak accident....following the one that killed Henry Surtees the previous week....what are the chances?

Surtees was killed instantly they think, so don't look if you don't want to (though it's not in any way graphic)...very sad.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBwuCFBDHYo

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Holy shit, Michael Schumacher has come out of retirement to race for Ferrari again!

That'll be interesting!

At the moment it looks like Ferrari and McLaren might just win the championship for Jenson by stuffing Red Bull so anything that helps that is fine with me :) .

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"Renault say they are launching legal action against Nelson Piquet Jr and his father Nelson Piquet over race-fixing allegations made against the team.

 

Renault are accused of plotting with Piquet Jr to crash during last year's Singapore Grand Prix to aid team-mate Fernando's Alonso's path to victory."

 

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/9/9903.html

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Lotus back next year which is (on the face of it) brilliant.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8256295.stm

 

Shame it looks like a predominantly Malaysian team though...bit like Ferrari relocating to Vietnam :( .

 

At least, as long as the cars are racing green (or even black and gold at a stretch), I can pretend :) .

 

Some of the most beautiful cars ever imo...this in particular..

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So, is Buttons title challenge back on track now or will things slip again?

I think he should be OK. Barrichello has to outscore him by more than three and a half points a race for the last four....that means not just beating him but having drivers between them....and if Jenson beats him in any it's just about game over (barring breakdowns).

Holding off Hamilton on Sunday was a pivotal moment I think, he was under huge pressure but held it together.

Think probably the whole of the world outside Britain would want Rubens to win it, nice guy....been around for ever...perennial runner-up. But Jenson will take it for me.

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...when Raikkonen left it was rather less than amicable.

Don't think Raikkonen does amicable does he....for anyone :mellow: ?

 

Great driver no doubt but has had a character bypass I think. If he goes to McLaren he'll achieve the seemingly impossible by making Hamilton appear charismatic....maybe that's the plan :) .

 

Kovalainen's a waste of space 75% of the time.

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