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Has anyone got any contact email addresses for everton?

 

I'm after Ray Foy & Ian Ross (he's the head of public relations isnt he??)

 

Mike I know you have posted one up before but I can't find it.

 

Any help would be appriciated, this crowd situation with the police in the Lower Gwladys came to a head last night and I am going to write to the club and request a meeting. I'v ended up with no season ticket, torn clothes and I was set up for a beating by the police & sadly one of the head stewards.

 

My crime this time?

 

Filming several police officers assaulting young fans during half time!

 

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When i rang up, i just asked to talk to whoever was responsible for security and policing at the ground, and i was put through to Mr Ross. He's not a sympathetic listener and not a nice man to talk to, but he did tell me the police cannot take your season ticket away. Tell them at this moment in time, you are taking legal advice and will get back to them soon, either personally or through your solicitor. Dont take any shit from him. <_<

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That sounds like a shocking state of affairs, have you considered goin further still, Merseyside police? They sound like the cause of your problem but I bet some of them will be willing to help you, especially if youve got them on camera assaulting ppl.

 

During me being involved in a 9 man rugby scrum (me and 8 yellow coats) for my phone the video was deleted but I refuse to believe EFC dont have this on CCTV. I'm writing to Ray Foy as he is the man incharge who wrote to me a while ago and it is being copied to Ian Ross, I'm going all the way with this cos I'v had enough. They have my season ticket now anyway and I'm going to be singled out by the police in the Gwladys Street so its time to speak up. Its moved on from intimidation to the police regularly taking out their fustrations on football fans, it's like if you've had a bad week work the match and take out your fustrations!!

 

What I saw a police officer do to a lad last night would get you a jail scentance in town on a Friday night and turning on me for recording it was just typical.

 

I'll fill you all in on the details after work but I'm busy writing to Everton at the mo :angry:

 

EDIT: Cheers Bill I may just throw that in too, It was the head steward who took my ticket and at that point I have to admit I had proberbly crossed the line but what happened pior was unbelievable!

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Jesus, you shouldnt have given him your season ticket, the problem is your fooked because they will just throw some bullshit reason at you

 

Good luck with it all

 

why dont you write a letter to the papers

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Ok I said I'd give you the full story and seen as I'v calmed down a tad now and had a little contact with the club here it is.

 

Ever since the ale throwing of last season the policing has been tightened up in the Lower Gwladys, this all IMO seems to have originated from the introduction of Ray Foy as opperations director at Goodison. There was a group (me included) who received letters from Mr Foy regarding "disorderly behaviour" and since then the tactics of the police have dramatically changed. There seems to be an extreamly high level of aggression in dealing with anyone who so much as pokes a toe over the line, where this line lies is still unknown to anyone, basically giving the police the room to oppereate however they feel.

 

The basic stance of the police seems to be if any singing is started the most prominent or vocal member of that group is removed by what can only be described as "snatch squads", sounds like a military opperation but you have to see it to believe it. 3 to 4 officers will remove the individual followed up by 6 to 10 other officers who remove anyone who questions what they are doing. In general the initial person is ejected with no case for appeal and the others (if they keep their mouth shut) are warned & have their details taken before being allowed back to the seats.

 

The policy when half time ends is to move through the crowd (specifically the area against the wall in the centre of the stand) and you are told to go back to your seat, no drinking up time and an imidiate response is expected. Failure to instantly follow instructions results in a show of force where you are basically pushed towards the stairs and expected to go and not question the aggression or complain at all. All of this takes place while several hundred fans still stand either side of the central area finishing up their drinks and making their own way back to their seats without any bother.

 

Over the past few weeks I have noticed their attention is concentrated specifically on the central area and not the people stood there so when the ring of yellow jackets begins to form up I quietly step outside of it and finish my ale while they bully other everyone else. Wednesday was no different except my brother failed to follow suit this week as he was caught up in the moment with a group of friends. I was stood by the yellow barriers and watched the police getting very heavy handed and with my brother being in the middle of it all I got out my camera phone and started recording video footage. I'm recording for a minute or so when I hear a lad shouting get off me to my right at the bottom of the stairs and turn to see a bizzie in a state of rage with his hand around the lads neck. I carry on recording this for about 30 secconds in which time the bizzie slaps the lad and pushes him into the barrier before he tries to run off up the stairs. The bizzie grabs him by the hood pulls him back and hits him in the face and again pushes him against the barrier.

 

It was then that the bizzie turned and saw me recording, he ran towards me shouting "give me the camera now" and looking like he was about to break my face so I side stepped him and headed for the stairs. What happened next was unbelievable as I was grabbed by several police all of whom were grabbing at my mobile and pulling me back with their other hand. I tried to break away and made my way about 3/4 of the way up the stairs befor 8 of them pulled me down tearing my jumper & t shirt in several places. So I'm ejected from the ground and all they were bothered about is where my mobile phone is which I'v slipped into my boxer shorts during the struggle, I told the officers outside one of them had taken it!

 

While I'm outside the officer I originally recorded has got the same lad and is beating him up against the wall in the doorway and I'm not over exagerating here he had his arm under the kids chin and was butting him and slamming him against the wall over and over. He then throws him into the street and tells him to "fuck off", the lad gets up off his arse with blood dripping out of his nose and says, "that was out of order" turns and walks towards Bullens Road, the bizzie runs after him punches him in the back of the head and tells him to "keep your fuckin mouth shut". I decided it was proberbly best to keep my mouth shut as well.

 

So ejected for recording an assault I gets slightly pissed off and decided I was going back in (I'll leave the details of that out because it was a useful tactic for the future) and goes back to my seat minus my jumper but in a torn t-shirt. Shortly after I'm ejected again as apparently I was seen on CCTV returning to my seat, I'm taken down the rear stairs to the gate closest to the church and have my season ticket taken by a head steward. Thats why I'm not complaining too much about the ticket afterall I did sneek back therefore ignoring the warrning shot of the initial ejection but we'll see how that one pans out. The head staward gets his keys out and the police officer says "he's not going out this gate put him out of gate 17" and so the fun begins.

 

Reluctant to exit through a pre defined (by the police) gate I protest all the way out and finally the head steward agrees to leave with me to prove there isnt a speciall welcoming party outside for me. We exit and a van full of bizzies flys past me, I look at the steward and say "see they're waiting for me", he replys they wont stop and re-enters the ground closing the door. I follow my instincts as I see the van turning around down by the church and run towards Bullens Road with the sound of a roaring engin behind me and hide in the car park. The van slows to a crawl and put the spot light on the car park before turning down the first street. I sit tight and then the van reverses out of the road and moves to the next before reversing back out again and moving to the next road. I took the opportunity and ran as fast as I could down a few entry's and weaving in and out of the streets until I was well clear of Goodison.

 

I'm not realy interested in debating the rights and wrongs of my actions to get my season ticket back but I have reached a point now where I cant stand back and ignore what's happening to friends & family at the hands of Merseyside Police at every home game. I agree with the club requiring a level of control over the fans but they cant just sit back and let the police assault their paying customers, there would be outrage if this was happening anywhere else but because its at the football everyone accepts it. I unfortunatly have no evidence against particular officers but I expect Everton to listen to its customers and protect us while on their premisis, I also expect them to review the CCTV (if it's as good as they and the police make out) and see if the officer is identifiable along with the other officers who stood around watching and then tried to take my phone in an attempt to protect their own!

 

There is a growing culture amongst officers at the match of taking out their fustrations on anyone they feel like because they know that people accept it as the norm and very rarely question the police. People are ejected for very little and threatening behaviour by them to us is considered the norm. For people of my age and experience this isnt too hard to deal with but 16 year old lads dont know when to keep their mouth shut sometimes, does this warrant a beatting from supposedly responsable adults tasked with crowd safety? How long is it going to be before my brother gets a kicking or one of your friends / relations?

 

I'm standing up for myself and everyone else, at what cost i'm unsure but I'v been a marked man by the club for several months now and after Wednesday I'm definatly marked by the Police. I can hand on heart say I like a few drinks & I sing songs with the lads but I did not deserve the letter I received and I did not in any way deserve the treatement I received on Wednesday night.

 

I went down to Goodison on Friday afternoon after initially emailing Ray Foy & copying Ian Ross and was told that Ray is back in on Tuesday but apparently he is very aproachable and would have spoken with me had he been there. I have filled out a complaint form with the club and it is just a matter of waiting for their next move which will hopefully be some contact with Mr Foy tomorrow or Wednesday after he has had time to digest my email & complaint form. Hopefully our club can respect the concerns of its fans and hopefully they will make time to deal with this without trying to brush it under the carpet!!

 

I will keep you updated on any progress or lack of.

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Sounds pretty heavy. seems ridiculous that it stems from people singing, showing support, having fun. maybe its me just being stupid but i thought that football was supposed to be a form of entertainment, can you imagine securtity kicking off at a music concert becasue someone was singing along!

 

Its a fucking disgrace when the people who are there to "protect" you end up cauisng more harm, distress and damage.

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Sounds bad that, doesn't reflect well on the club even if it is the police responible for it. Good luck with it, it's tough that it's gonna be your word against the police but hopefully the club will give you a fair hearing. Would it be worth pointing them at TT if they are looking for a character reference? The four thousand plus posts you've put on here plainly don't come from a danger to Goodison security do they?

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Did u read it Evertonlad? :P lol. The video content was deleted but he still got his phone.

 

A couple of years ago one of my mates was threatened and held up aggressively by his collar after he joked about one of the policeman when waiting to go into the turnstiles. Then about 4 of them searched is all, again quite forcefully pushing us back and turning us around and 'padding' us with a heavy hands (basically slapping us). Its not as bad as what you’ve gone through Goldie but still cause for concern in the way they acted.

 

I'd like to say the club would help you out but in all honesty I'd be surprised they did any more than give your season ticket back. All the best of luck though and hopefully something will come about it.

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I was going to suggest the same as Mark. If your not entirely happy with the comeback from the club, i shall copy your post and send it to the paper........ After names have been deleted to protect the innocent of course.

 

Liam PM me if you want me to go ahead.

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Just had a call form the deputy stadium safety officer he wanted to talk about my season ticket but I stopped him and spoke to him regarding the issues I had with Everton. He has asked me to forward to him the document I sent to Mr Foy last week and he will review it and get back to me.

 

Still up in the air regarding my season ticket but like I said earlier that realy is the least of my worries!

 

Hopefully this will lead somwhere I'll wait and see, keep you all updated.

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Sadly mate he knew nothing of my email or visit to Goodison and was just calling me cos he had my season ticket and a report form the head steward in his possesion but we live in hope!

 

What did the report say ?? Should ask for a copy

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A few things lately have had mee feeling the regulars (Well all supporters) get treated with Contempt by the club.

 

If the Fan's were to start treating the club with contempt, then theyd have a problem.

 

But they no we wont, coz we are a sadist bread, love our club with all our hearts & keep taking the thumps on the chin , then come back for more.

 

Got us all by the nut's my friends.

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i wouldnt be threatening them with going to the press, just go ahead, speak to citizens advice, see where you stand. im sure your entitled to a copy of any cctv your recorded on, especially in this case. go to the echo, whos the guy who does all the writing about everton, go to kipper, toffeeweb, wsag, speak from the harbour. even national tabloids would jump on this story.

 

and if you could find the kid who got battered that would be a massive bonus.

 

spead the word as far as you can

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After waiting over 10 days without reply from Everton and the Arsenal match rapidly approaching I decided I'd take the bull by the horns this morning and phoned Everton. They were going to call me today apparently!!!

 

So I have a meeting at 2:30pm Friday afternoon with Lindsay Veitch who is the deputy stadium manager (or something like that). He seemed very negative regarding my comment that the stadium policing seems to be a result of the introduction of Ray Foy as stadium manager some months ago and he seems to think I should be talking to the police about this issue which I see as pointless without evidence.

 

I will however meet with him on Friday and put forward my case as I do believe Everton are in control of how their premisis is policed and that it is their responsability to provide a level of care to their paying customers. I honestly think that the people sat in the offices at Everton don't actually understand the mentality of Merseyside Police.

 

As for my season ticket well that is still up for discussion so I expect I'll get it back if I play nice, goodbye season ticket methinks!

 

I'll keep you all updated come Friday.

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Well in Liam, put your case forward in a strong but controlled manner, once you lose your cool and start raising your voice you will lose their respect, then they will look upon you as the hooligan they think you are.

 

Good luck Mate and keep your cool.

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BANNED for the rest of the season!

 

Listened to what I had to say, infact discussed several issues in depth with me but all he could say was they will address the situation and already have done by odering minmal policing for Sundays game and allowing the stewards to do their job. It was agreed that there had been very little trouble over the past months & there is a noticable trend towards night games being a hot spot. It was also agreed that the behaviour of the police is unacceptable but without evidence & me making a formal complaint to merseyside police there is very little I can do about it. Then after a lengthy discussion on very friendly terms they dropped the bomb shell and left me with only the option to appeal which will mean missing the Arsenal game even if (which I doubt) I am successful.

 

I suppose I have to trust the integrity of the club to actually act on the points I have made and maybe learn from the additional perspective I have given. I wont hold my breath but we can hope!

 

Just so you all know they got me on exactly what I predicted they would which was re-entering the ground after being initially ejected. Regardless of any surrounding circumstances I broke a rule and don't have a leg to stand on.

 

Is it worth pursuing further with no evidence? I think not but I am still worried for the safety of people the police seem to be singling out sadly it takes alot of firepower to go up against the biggest gang in the world, the police!!

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Either the press (if you want to make noises and cause a stink) or your local MP are two alternatives that come to mind.

 

Ask them to re-imburse you for your season ticket money if you are not able to go again. Because if you were'nt a ticket holder. banning you for the season wouldnt cost you money cos you just wouldnt go, But you have already paid for the next four home games, or is it five.

 

Not right mate, not sure they can do that....................Appeal very strongly.

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Either the press (if you want to make noises and cause a stink) or your local MP are two alternatives that come to mind.

 

Ask them to re-imburse you for your season ticket money if you are not able to go again. Because if you were'nt a ticket holder. banning you for the season wouldnt cost you money cos you just wouldnt go, But you have already paid for the next four home games, or is it five.

 

Not right mate, not sure they can do that....................Appeal very strongly.

 

They are re-imbursing the next 5 home games Bill & I can (WILL) appeal but without firm evidence I'm gona look like a bit of a prick kicking up a fuss & without making a formal complaint to the police will the papers or MP listen??

 

I also have my brother to think about who has to attend the next 5 games & they know he's my brother so he could in theory become a target for a bit of retribution from the already overly aggressive police! :angry:

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They are re-imbursing the next 5 home games Bill & I can (WILL) appeal but without firm evidence I'm gona look like a bit of a prick kicking up a fuss & without making a formal complaint to the police will the papers or MP listen??

 

I also have my brother to think about who has to attend the next 5 games & they know he's my brother so he could in theory become a target for a bit of retribution from the already overly aggressive police!

..............................

 

ah right, your on a sticky wicket then Liam. You have to weigh up the Pro's and Con's mate, like you said going up against the Police can sometimes be more Detrimental to an outcome, but at least you got your money back.

 

Probs best to swallow your pride and think of your kinfolk, (Blood is thicker than water an all that) cos it seems the bastards have got you by the short and curlies.

 

You get my respect for going as far as you did. well done mate.

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So sorry to hear about this Liam, for many reasons. The thing that gets my goat about your situation is the simple fact they know you will be affected by this decision to the extreme, I mean it's not like being barred from the local pub, this is your Club FFS. They will rely on your blind devotion to come back next year, and the next, and the next. I feel you have some serious questions to ask yourself right now.

 

Well done for taking it as far as you have, my heart is bleeding for you in the truest sense of the phrase.

 

ATB

 

Jon

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So sorry to hear about this Liam, for many reasons. The thing that gets my goat about your situation is the simple fact they know you will be affected by this decision to the extreme, I mean it's not like being barred from the local pub, this is your Club FFS. They will rely on your blind devotion to come back next year, and the next, and the next. I feel you have some serious questions to ask yourself right now.

Well done for taking it as far as you have, my heart is bleeding for you in the truest sense of the phrase.

 

ATB

 

Jon

 

I know exactly what your saying mate but to cut off my nose to spite my face would be pointless. They will fleece me of my cash again and treat me like shite next season but lets face it nothing else matters but the roar of the crowd and the boys in blue for those 90 minutes.

 

I love my club and some suit in an office or bully victim in a uniform arnt gona take that away from me no matter how hard they try!

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As mentioned earlier L, my sense of indignation at your plight has made me question one or two things.

 

All power to your elbow, and remember what goes around comes around. That was from T, who is disgusted at your treatment.

 

Never understood that phrase myself.

 

ATB

 

Mac

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Thats a bit over the top isnt it

 

They basically are BANNING you from Everton for 5 games

 

What are you being banned for exactly re-entering the ground after being ejected ?

 

What were you originally ejected from the ground for ?

 

This is a fookin joke

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Thats a bit over the top isnt it

 

They basically are BANNING you from Everton for 5 games

 

What are you being banned for exactly re-entering the ground after being ejected ?

 

What were you originally ejected from the ground for ?

 

This is a fookin joke

 

Exactly right Zed I broke the rules by re-entering the ground regardless of the circumstances so they have me to the letter of the law.

 

The basis of my appeal will be that I should not have been ejected in the first place and I believe everton should be protecting the interests of their paying customers rather than punishing what was a moment of stupidity during a destressing period. It all however has no basis for any mistreatement by the club and will only realistically be retracted should my situation and the professionalism of which I conducted myself this afternoon pull on the heart strings of someone with a deciding influence.

 

Their stance could quite easily be I broke the rules so I will be punished and I should take up my complaint regarding the initial ejection with the perpetrators Merseyside Police. In which case I will be back at square one of weather the fight for justice is worth the possible repercussions for myself, my brother and other known friends at the game!!

 

I will compose a letter to the club all the same and hope my meeting with Lindsay Vietch today proved to him I wasnt the tracky wearing little thug he no doubt expected to walk into his office. Maybe I have convinced him to cast a vote in my favour at the appeal stage but all I can do is give it a shot.

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I dont think the punishment fits the crime, and you probably dont either

 

You re-entered the ground after being ejected = 5 game ban?

 

It worth appealing though, definately

 

Id come at it from the sympathy angle, not worth being billy big bollocks when you havnt got a leg to stand on

 

You'll miss the arsenal game, why try and ban you for more, you love the blues and a refund and a ban is not good enough

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a few points ive got here liam, and im gutted for you mate.

 

you break the rules, so you get a 5 match ban, the police broke the rules when they assaulted that kid, they broke the rules by the way they treated you. the club broke the rules by the way you and other peoples safety had been compomoised. yet your the only party to be punished.

 

you say you have no evidence, well if you have no evidence then surely they dont have any evidence? as really it would mastly be the same evidence, just interpretation.

 

did you talk to them about the way that kid was treated/assaulted?

 

do they have cctv footage of any of the incidents? or has any cctv which may bring the police into question strangely disapeared?

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The key point is the mobile and CCTV video evidence. There are several downloadable PC applications which can recover deleted video footage from mobile phones, the police themselves use a type in forensic investigations. You need a sim card reader for your PC which you can get for less than £5 on ebay and the software itself:

One is Data Doctor Recovery Memory Card. Fill in fake details to DL the trial straight away, dont even need to activate from the entered email account.

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Another is Pro Data Doctor I dont know if you could pick it up on a torrent or newsgroup for free.

 

As for the CCTV, I dont believe one second of footage isn't kept in storage, who's responsible for that - the police or club? The cost is minimal for a security operation of this size. I'd be inclined to give it to the papers and take free legal advice as has been suggested. Makes me sick to thing the police can do what they like and get away with it.

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