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On 22/06/2020 at 23:16, markjazzbassist said:

finished "the code", if you have netflix, i highly recommend it.  excellent show.

 

now watching "a very secret service", it's a french show kinda spoof of spy type shows.  soundtrack by nicolas godin (of AIR) which is awesome, and the humor is very dry, and pokes fun at the french (who won world war II?) and americans and everyone in between.  i'm really enjoying it.

Good shout on The Code, I am surprised I never noticed it before reading your post. I'll start season 2 next couple days. A Very Secret Service was pretty silly, but also a good shout.

If you enjoyed The Code and it's cast and haven't seen -

Secret City (political thriller)

Mystery Road (crime/police drama) TV series as well as 2 movies, I really enjoyed the TV series.

My Life is Murder (crime drama-comedy) A bit lighter, but enjoyable. Supposed to be a second season at some point.

 

All 3 are Australian, and all have The Code cast scattered through them. All pretty entertaining, and learned a fair amount about Australia I didn't know.

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3 minutes ago, Ghoat said:

Good shout on The Code, I am surprised I never noticed it before reading your post. I'll start season 2 next couple days. A Very Secret Service was pretty silly, but also a good shout.

If you enjoyed The Code and it's cast and haven't seen -

Secret City (political thriller)

Mystery Road (crime/police drama) TV series as well as 2 movies, I really enjoyed the TV series.

My Life is Murder (crime drama-comedy) A bit lighter, but enjoyable. Supposed to be a second season at some point.

 

All 3 are Australian, and all have The Code cast scattered through them. All pretty entertaining, and learned a fair amount about Australia I didn't know.

yes i enjoyed secret city as well.

 

recently watched on netflix

Alone - the latest season, its people surviving in the arctic in Canada alone, foraging for food, hunting, building a shelter, pretty nuts, i love this stuff.

Behind Her Eyes - psychological thriller/mystery.  wonderful just edge of the seat type show.  it's english (BBC?) and the main character is Bono's daughter. 

Yusuke - Anime on Netflix, was decent, about a black samurai.

 

on apple tv

Mosquito Coast - holy shit this was awesome.  thriller/mystery/on the run type show based on the book.  just finished the season finale and i can't wait till next season.

 

HBO

The Nevers - pretty decent sci fi/fantasy from Joss Wheden, really enjoyed the show.

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Watch Time with Sean Bean and Stephen Graham on the iPlayer, was very good. Always had a fascination with prisons (not to the extent that I'd like to be locked up in one:unsure:) and this came across, to me at least, as quite realistic....other than the female chaplain wandering about totally unguarded which didn't seem right.

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On 13/06/2021 at 16:36, MikeO said:

Watch Time with Sean Bean and Stephen Graham on the iPlayer, was very good. Always had a fascination with prisons (not to the extent that I'd like to be locked up in one:unsure:) and this came across, to me at least, as quite realistic....other than the female chaplain wandering about totally unguarded which didn't seem right.

I thought that. She can go wondering in and out of the cells yet the prison guards need back up 😂

Really good short series though and they have left themselves open for a second series too.

Stephen Graham is a really good actor for these type of roles. He has been really good in every show I have seen him in.

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59 minutes ago, Bailey said:

 😂

Stephen Graham is a really good actor for these type of roles. He has been really good in every show I have seen him in.

He really is. First saw him playing Al Capone in Boardwalk Empire, which I didn't like very much but wife loved it, was really odd to discover he was Scouse.

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21 hours ago, MikeO said:

He really is. First saw him playing Al Capone in Boardwalk Empire, which I didn't like very much but wife loved it, was really odd to discover he was Scouse.

He was brilliant in Boardwalk Empire, although I first knew of him from Snatch 

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14 minutes ago, Matt said:

He was brilliant in Boardwalk Empire, although I first knew of him from Snatch 

I couldn't get over Steve Buscemi and Kelly Macdonald being (imo) wooden in the lead roles, they just weren't believable for me.

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22 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

I wish we hadn't had to wait so long for it but Black Widow is a very good movie.

Difficult one this, wife was drawn into the Marvel universe by Josh and for years I've been taking them to the cinema on release days; this one she saw the trailer for (it was due out last May I think) but will obviously never see. Josh a bit conflicted and emotional but not got plans to see it yet, even though he's been waiting for it for so long.

Grief chucks you so many unexpected swerve balls.

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1 hour ago, MikeO said:

Difficult one this, wife was drawn into the Marvel universe by Josh and for years I've been taking them to the cinema on release days; this one she saw the trailer for (it was due out last May I think) but will obviously never see. Josh a bit conflicted and emotional but not got plans to see it yet, even though he's been waiting for it for so long.

Grief chucks you so many unexpected swerve balls.

Sad to hear that, at least she got to see the trailer which is something :). Could be a film that's good to watch together at home, with your other half there in spirit of course. 

Hope you and Josh are doing well under the circumstances.

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2 hours ago, MikeO said:

Difficult one this, wife was drawn into the Marvel universe by Josh and for years I've been taking them to the cinema on release days; this one she saw the trailer for (it was due out last May I think) but will obviously never see. Josh a bit conflicted and emotional but not got plans to see it yet, even though he's been waiting for it for so long.

Grief chucks you so many unexpected swerve balls.

The movie is very much centred around family, so could be good to watch it or go the other way entirely.

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Finally got an Apple TV+ subscription, so finally getting around to watching Ted Lasso. Not sure if it's been discussed in this thread (can't be bothered to look 😀) but my word is it fantastic. The first 10 minutes of episode one had me laughing harder and more often than any show I've seen in quite a while.

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14 hours ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Finally got an Apple TV+ subscription, so finally getting around to watching Ted Lasso. Not sure if it's been discussed in this thread (can't be bothered to look 😀) but my word is it fantastic. The first 10 minutes of episode one had me laughing harder and more often than any show I've seen in quite a while.

Watch mosquito coast, for my money it was the best show on apple tv

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4 hours ago, Matt said:

You have apple TV? 

Yeah my wife got it to watch Ted lasso she loves that show.  I couldn’t find anything on there really for me but I watch mosquito coast (based on the book) and it was like crack.  I could not stop watching it, was on the edge of my seat.  Loved it.  Justin Theroux is the lead actor, he’s good.

 

its 5 bucks a month.  Add to that Netflix and Disney+ (Disney Hulu espn+) I’m at 35 bucks a month for the families viewing programs. Sure beats what cable costs (basic is 120+ a month)

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5 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

Yeah my wife got it to watch Ted lasso she loves that show.  I couldn’t find anything on there really for me but I watch mosquito coast (based on the book) and it was like crack.  I could not stop watching it, was on the edge of my seat.  Loved it.  Justin Theroux is the lead actor, he’s good.

 

its 5 bucks a month.  Add to that Netflix and Disney+ (Disney Hulu espn+) I’m at 35 bucks a month for the families viewing programs. Sure beats what cable costs (basic is 120+ a month)

Glad to hear. I was just surprised about the company was all. 

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5 minutes ago, Matt said:

Glad to hear. I was just surprised about the company was all. 

yeah good point, honestly i'd not looked into their practices until you said this, found a million articles within a couple second google search.  i own an iphone as well, wife owns a macbook.  i guess my question to myself is if i go off apple, is android/competition any better or is it just a different packaged version of the same thing really?  my issue with amazon is that i can actually buy (and do!) from local booksellers, local shops, local grocery stores that are local businesses and have better business practices (i can physically see it, talk to their employees, have friends that work there).  thats evident.  i'm not sure if switching electronics provider (or removing apple tv) gives me a tangible result of improvement.  does android not source rare earth minerals?  is their manufacturing stateside or is it also in some massive china sketchy joint?  (need to look).

 

i appreciate the thought provoking question matt, i really do, it's one of the reasons i enjoy you on this forum.  so now i guess i need to do more research.

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On 28/08/2021 at 19:35, markjazzbassist said:

yeah good point, honestly i'd not looked into their practices until you said this, found a million articles within a couple second google search.  i own an iphone as well, wife owns a macbook.  i guess my question to myself is if i go off apple, is android/competition any better or is it just a different packaged version of the same thing really?  my issue with amazon is that i can actually buy (and do!) from local booksellers, local shops, local grocery stores that are local businesses and have better business practices (i can physically see it, talk to their employees, have friends that work there).  thats evident.  i'm not sure if switching electronics provider (or removing apple tv) gives me a tangible result of improvement.  does android not source rare earth minerals?  is their manufacturing stateside or is it also in some massive china sketchy joint?  (need to look).

 

i appreciate the thought provoking question matt, i really do, it's one of the reasons i enjoy you on this forum.  so now i guess i need to do more research.

Sorry I missed this whilst I was travelling back. Glad it got you thinking :)

So far as I know, no company is perfect especially the tech giants. Android is just the software (open source to a degree, meaning you're not a slave to Apples ecosystem and much more flexible), but other tech giants who use the software, like Samsumg, don't have clean hands either. My big problem with Apple is how they treat everyone. Basically, they designed their entire business of making you dependent on them. Not to mention the spent more than a decade deliberately manufacturing faults in their batteries so it would die quicker (replacement batteries + labour being only slightly cheaper than an upgrade). Their new models also have been made to be impossible to repair yourself/3rd party repairs, which goes against an EU law of having a right to repair yourself (to cut down on waste). They're like the Borg :lol:

I finally made the transition to android 6months ago and my tech stress dropped massively to nearly nothing. The only reason I didn't do it sooner was that the whole family was on apple so Facetime and the photo streams were the main way to stay in touch whilst I lived abroad. Now I'm back in England, no need for them and dropped Apple instantly. Sooooooo satisfying and, as I said, much less stressful. My Samsung is much easier to use, Samsungs camera is miles better too, quicker, much more customisable, much better screen but most importantly, very much my "own experience" rather than using Apples enforced vision.  Simple example... on iPhone you used to be able to toggle Bluetooth on and off via the command center. Do you remember when Apple decided that when you turn off Bluetooth through the command center, it only paused Bluetooth? Meaning it kept it on standby and came back on when it wanted, chewing through the battery life without you knowing? Well with Android, I can turn it on and off along with 30 other things and it does as its told. A really stupid and simple example but not having to go through menus to make sure the off button actually turned something off is one thing that drove me nuts, and all because they decided it was best for your experience. 

Fuck Apple. 

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yes apple sucks but in my research there is only 1 ethical phone manufacturer, FairPhone.  They are android and use ethical metals and recycled gold and plastic.  issue is they are only good in europe, it doesn't have great service in the US.  Also Apple got better reviews than Samsung as a company on a few different things, so until FairPhone gets US coverage i'm stuck.

 

Lastly, my phone is paid off, so i'm not looking to get a new one until it breaks.

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7 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

yes apple sucks but in my research there is only 1 ethical phone manufacturer, FairPhone.  They are android and use ethical metals and recycled gold and plastic.  issue is they are only good in europe, it doesn't have great service in the US.  Also Apple got better reviews than Samsung as a company on a few different things, so until FairPhone gets US coverage i'm stuck.

 

Lastly, my phone is paid off, so i'm not looking to get a new one until it breaks.

Just to be clear mate, they're not Android. Rather, they use Android. Also, the service isn't model dependent, its just they dont ship there yet. When you go to change in a year or so (I assume you got an iphone which will programmed to fail), hopefully they'll be shipping to the US. But good find, if I hadn't recently changed mine I would go for that.

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4 minutes ago, Matt said:

Just to be clear mate, they're not Android. Rather, they use Android. Also, the service isn't model dependent, its just they dont ship there yet. When you go to change in a year or so (I assume you got an iphone which will programmed to fail), hopefully they'll be shipping to the US. But good find, if I hadn't recently changed mine I would go for that.

yep sorry thats what i meant, they use android.  they do ship to the US now, but they don't have agreements with the cell tower owners.  SIDE NOTE:  in the US the cell towers are owned by different companies, they are not state owned.  meaning some companies have better service (verizon is good where i live, Sprint is bad, AT&T is ok) in different areas depending on what towers they own (or what deals they strike with owners of other towers).

 

So all that to say they have a note on Fairphone support page saying they dont' offer 4G service in the US, it's mostly 3G or 2G.  That's just not gonna work for me, i do a fair bit of camping in the middle of nowhere and need a phone that can get me directions to/from.  i barely get by with Verizon.

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3 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

yep sorry thats what i meant, they use android.  they do ship to the US now, but they don't have agreements with the cell tower owners.  SIDE NOTE:  in the US the cell towers are owned by different companies, they are not state owned.  meaning some companies have better service (verizon is good where i live, Sprint is bad, AT&T is ok) in different areas depending on what towers they own (or what deals they strike with owners of other towers).

 

So all that to say they have a note on Fairphone support page saying they dont' offer 4G service in the US, it's mostly 3G or 2G.  That's just not gonna work for me, i do a fair bit of camping in the middle of nowhere and need a phone that can get me directions to/from.  i barely get by with Verizon.

Oh! I must've found a different site then, the I found said they were only selling within the EU. 

Seems like mobile networks are yet another baffling capitalist American nonsense then :lol:

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5 hours ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Watching the Emmy's right now, and there have been 8 categories presented. All 8 have been won by white people. And nearly all the presenters have been PoC. 

I mean...how is this happening?

 

3 hours ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Well the show is almost over, and this most certainly will be a major story tomorrow.

I genuinely feel ill watching this.

Bit fucked up that.

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8 hours ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Watching the Emmy's right now, and there have been 8 categories presented. All 8 have been won by white people. And nearly all the presenters have been PoC. 

I mean...how is this happening?

You don't think they were the right winners and have been chosen because they're white?

Genuine question by the way, I couldn't care less about awards shows so have no idea who has been nominated for what.

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

You don't think they were the right winners and have been chosen because they're white?

Genuine question by the way, I couldn't care less about awards shows so have no idea who has been nominated for what.

Fair question. Not seen any of it so difficult to comment. Thing that annoys me though over here is the MOBO awards, if anyone suggested having a MOWO ceremony everyone's head would fall off.

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3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

You don't think they were the right winners and have been chosen because they're white?

Genuine question by the way, I couldn't care less about awards shows so have no idea who has been nominated for what.

Considering that of the 27 awards presented last night, 24 were won by white people or productions that are created/helmed by white people, I would say there's a bigger problem going on. Because even just statistically, with the amount of people of color who were nominated, there should've been a more diverse winner's list. That's just mathematics.

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16 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Considering that of the 27 awards presented last night, 24 were won by white people or productions that are created/helmed by white people, I would say there's a bigger problem going on. Because even just statistically, with the amount of people of color who were nominated, there should've been a more diverse winner's list. That's just mathematics.

Not sure I buy the mathematics comment though. Every single one of those people of colour that lost out on the award can have lost based on ability alone, so there being a certain percentage of nominees that are of colour is irrelevant really.

Thats not to say racism isn’t behind the skewed numbers but to simply say it’s mathematics that more should have won in something that should be based on ability alone is way too simplistic. 

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13 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Not sure I buy the mathematics comment though. Every single one of those people of colour that lost out on the award can have lost based on ability alone, so there being a certain percentage of nominees that are of colour is irrelevant really.

Thats not to say racism isn’t behind the skewed numbers but to simply say it’s mathematics that more should have won in something that should be based on ability alone is way too simplistic. 

Fair. But at least from my perspective, as I have seen a fair amount of the shows that were nominated last night, there were some strange decisions. The Crown is a good show, but I don't think it merited as many acting awards (especially this past season) as it won last night.

Lovecraft Country on HBO was one of the most original things I've seen in a while, and it was snubbed. As was the late Michael K Williams.

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6 hours ago, MikeO said:

Fair question. Not seen any of it so difficult to comment. Thing that annoys me though over here is the MOBO awards, if anyone suggested having a MOWO ceremony everyone's head would fall off.

Fair point would people of Black origin feel racially abused if whites had their own award ceremony in a chosen field that excluded blacks. I am very much against racism and very much for equal opportunities so I don’t believe you can have one rule for some and another rule for others. And also no one should have a given right to an award because of the colour of their skin. But I do agree that mathematics has a part to play in it surely the law of averages is a proven law, I would be questioning the judge’s and what the split of whites to blacks on the panel was, also to see what percentage of white judges voted for a black actor against their votes for white actors, and vice versa with black judges, and run this over so many years to see if there’s a common denominator as to why such a high percentage of whites win the awards against blacks Again maths has a part to play in finding if there is a proportionate difference when all the evidence as been collated. 

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17 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Fair point would people of Black origin feel racially abused if whites had their own award ceremony in a chosen field that excluded blacks. I am very much against racism and very much for equal opportunities so I don’t believe you can have one rule for some and another rule for others. And also no one should have a given right to an award because of the colour of their skin. But I do agree that mathematics has a part to play in it surely the law of averages is a proven law, I would be questioning the judge’s and what the split of whites to blacks on the panel was, also to see what percentage of white judges voted for a black actor against their votes for white actors, and vice versa with black judges, and run this over so many years to see if there’s a common denominator as to why such a high percentage of whites win the awards against blacks Again maths has a part to play in finding if there is a proportionate difference when all the evidence as been collated. 

Ultimately, the biggest issue I have is the absolute hypocrisy of it all. It's all lip service.

This year they had 49 people of color recognized as nominees, a record. Almost every presenter was a PoC. The director of the academy or whatever his title is, made a speech about how we've never had as many diverse shows and talent on TV as we have now. Which of course is true.

But when it came time to recognize and reward these non-white creatives, that was apparently too far for the Emmy's. And this is not the first time this has happened. It happened in 2019, and a few years prior to that. #Emmyssowhite has become a trending hashtag almost every year.

One huge thing I learned last year was that, obviously representation matters, but that it has to start happening from the very top. Sure you can pat yourself on the back for hiring people of color, or donating to charities, or casting people of color. But until the people doing the hiring, and doing the donating, and doing the casting start to look like the more diverse world we live in, nothing has changed.

It's a white supremacist world, and we need to start knocking that down. From the very top down.

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Just now, patto said:

isn't it just down to good acting that you win awards and nothing to do with race 

Evidently it isn’t, I think it goes a lot deeper than that, the disparity between white winners and blacks every year is far too big to be just coincidence, unless of course white actors make better actors than blacks, but I don’t hold with that theory so I wish someone could enlighten me as to why the gap is so huge every year. 

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1 hour ago, dunlopp9987 said:

@Romey 1878 this tweet perfectly sums up my thoughts.

 

Like I said, I don't care about these awards (or any awards) so I don't pay attention to the nominees and I probably haven't watched many of the shows (or movies?) to have an opinion on whether the "right" nominees won.

Whites shouldn't be winning just because they're white and blacks shouldn't win to tick a box (which is what you know the racists would be screaming), it should only be based on who did the job better. I don't know how you go about making it happen, wiser people than me are going to have to figure that out.

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

Like I said, I don't care about these awards (or any awards) so I don't pay attention to the nominees and I probably haven't watched many of the shows (or movies?) to have an opinion on whether the "right" nominees won.

Whites shouldn't be winning just because they're white and blacks shouldn't win to tick a box (which is what you know the racists would be screaming), it should only be based on who did the job better. I don't know how you go about making it happen, wiser people than me are going to have to figure that out.

There are people wiser than you Mark? Find that hard to believe😂

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3 hours ago, Palfy said:

Fair point would people of Black origin feel racially abused if whites had their own award ceremony in a chosen field that excluded blacks. I am very much against racism and very much for equal opportunities so I don’t believe you can have one rule for some and another rule for others. And also no one should have a given right to an award because of the colour of their skin. But I do agree that mathematics has a part to play in it surely the law of averages is a proven law, I would be questioning the judge’s and what the split of whites to blacks on the panel was, also to see what percentage of white judges voted for a black actor against their votes for white actors, and vice versa with black judges, and run this over so many years to see if there’s a common denominator as to why such a high percentage of whites win the awards against blacks Again maths has a part to play in finding if there is a proportionate difference when all the evidence as been collated. 

Totally clolour blind me (I like to think), I just can't get the sense in any of it. Your skin colour is down to where your ancesters were bought up, if they were from a sunny place they'd have dark skin, if they weren't they'd be white. Madness.

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18 hours ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Well the show is almost over, and this most certainly will be a major story tomorrow.

I genuinely feel ill watching this.

You think any of the actors won purely because they're white? 

Just had a quick look and most the awards have gone to period dramas which will have a less diverse cast.

If anything the bigger disparity is in having black presenters. There's three times as many Latinos in America and they've been for the most part ignored completely.

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10 hours ago, patto said:

isn't it just down to good acting that you win awards and nothing to do with race 

 

6 hours ago, pete0 said:

You think any of the actors won purely because they're white? 

Just had a quick look and most the awards have gone to period dramas which will have a less diverse cast.

If anything the bigger disparity is in having black presenters. There's three times as many Latinos in America and they've been for the most part ignored completely.

The links provided below show the ethnic makeup of the members of the Hollywood Foreign Press (who vote for the Golden Globes) and the voters for the Oscars. For the Oscars, it is 84% white. For the HFP, the LA Times unearthed that there are zero Black journalists among the 87 voting members. 

Again, equity and inclusion has to start from the top down. Otherwise it's just veneer and lip service that they're "creating a more inclusive environment that mirrors our society." If what the head of the TV academy says is true, that right now we have the most diverse selection of tv in history, why are the winners of awards still overwhelmingly white? Are we to believe that white people just make better art and that people of color don't?

Golden Globes

Academy Awards

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3 hours ago, dunlopp9987 said:

 

The links provided below show the ethnic makeup of the members of the Hollywood Foreign Press (who vote for the Golden Globes) and the voters for the Oscars. For the Oscars, it is 84% white. For the HFP, the LA Times unearthed that there are zero Black journalists among the 87 voting members. 

Again, equity and inclusion has to start from the top down. Otherwise it's just veneer and lip service that they're "creating a more inclusive environment that mirrors our society." If what the head of the TV academy says is true, that right now we have the most diverse selection of tv in history, why are the winners of awards still overwhelmingly white? Are we to believe that white people just make better art and that people of color don't?

Golden Globes

Academy Awards

3 winners out of 27 is 11.1%, which is in line with the US demographics 13.4%. 

 

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3 hours ago, MikeO said:

24 white winners out of 27 is very nearly 90% though, and the US is around 60% white. Perspective.

Thanks for that, Mike.

3 hours ago, patto said:

Sidney Poitier won numerous awards in his career and he won them for being a brilliant Actor in times of high racism.

And this is what we call Black Exceptionalism. It's the notion of "Look, it can be done, just like Obama did!" Yes, he was a brilliant actor winning awards in times that were far less rewarding than they are now. But that's the exception, not the rule.
 

Sidney was also well aware of how he presented himself to white audiences. He was what white audiences wanted to see if they saw a Black man on screen. Now I'm not saying that that version of himself might not have been who he actually was at all times, but there's this tendency for Black performers to have to be palatable for white audiences, and constantly code-switching. Thankfully it feels like we're slowly moving away from that, as we're seeing artists now like Lil Nas X and Lizzo who are unapologetically themselves, Black, and not confirming to what they think a white audience will tolerate in order to gain success.

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16 hours ago, pete0 said:

There's three times as many Latinos in America and they've been for the most part ignored completely.

 

3 hours ago, MikeO said:

24 white winners out of 27 is very nearly 90% though, and the US is around 60% white. Perspective.

Unsure how to swap the quotes around. 

Dunlopp is suggesting it's black people who have been discriminated against and the awards show over compensated by getting black presenters.

Yet the awards winners would correlate with racism towards Latinos. Whereas the people getting to present would correlate to racism against white and Latino. (Personally don't think there was any prejudice, although I do think most period dramas are shite).

Asians and "other" for lack of a better word would be expected to get only one. With that probability there's no reason to suggest racism.

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29 minutes ago, pete0 said:

 

Unsure how to swap the quotes around. 

Dunlopp is suggesting it's black people who have been discriminated against and the awards show over compensated by getting black presenters.

Yet the awards winners would correlate with racism towards Latinos. Whereas the people getting to present would correlate to racism against white and Latino. (Personally don't think there was any prejudice, although I do think most period dramas are shite).

Asians and "other" for lack of a better word would be expected to get only one. With that probability there's no reason to suggest racism.

Ultimately what I'm saying is that the awards skew heavily towards white people. There were presenters who were Black, Asian, Latinx, Indigenous American. So the Academy was putting on a show of how diverse their industry is, but when it comes time to reward PoC, that doesn't happen. And I can't imagine it's a coincidence that the majority of voters are white.

According to the 2020 census, non-Hispanic white Americans make up 57.8% of the population. Of the 75 Emmy nominations in the 12 acting categories this year, 45 were white and 30 were people of color. So while not exactly in line with the racial demographics of the US, it's close. But then none of the PoC win an award? It just makes absolutely no sense.

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22 hours ago, Matt said:

Yeah that's a classic.  His shows are brilliant but not for the fainthearted 

He is funny and brutal.
My wife made me turn off one of his shows a few years ago that was a bit close to the bone for a recent issue. We watched the same show about probably a year later and found it hilarious. 

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31 minutes ago, StevO said:

I saw this a few weeks ago, and with the discussion going on the last few days I think it’s a great excuse to show something deep from a truly great actor. 
 

  

This loss really hit me. I've watched him on The Wire, Boardwalk Empire and Lovecraft Country. He was one of the finest actors of this generation. He has such a nuance and subtlety to the way he approaches his work. His portrayal of Omar on The Wire will go down as one of the top TV performances of all time. And that's not just my opinion, that's widely regarded as fact.

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9 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said:

This loss really hit me. I've watched him on The Wire, Boardwalk Empire and Lovecraft Country. He was one of the finest actors of this generation. He has such a nuance and subtlety to the way he approaches his work. His portrayal of Omar on The Wire will go down as one of the top TV performances of all time. And that's not just my opinion, that's widely regarded as fact.

Loved him in Boardwalk, but still not managed to see The Wire yet. I’ve got all of Lovecraft Country recorded but after the first episode I was a bit take it or leave it so not gone back to it yet. 
He was good in The Night Off too. 

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6 minutes ago, StevO said:

Loved him in Boardwalk, but still not managed to see The Wire yet. I’ve got all of Lovecraft Country recorded but after the first episode I was a bit take it or leave it so not gone back to it yet. 
He was good in The Night Off too. 

Oh Steve, watch The Wire. One of the best American TV series' I've watched.

And I totally get that about Lovecraft. It's a bit of a strange one. I wasn't raving about it, but I definitely enjoyed it.

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4 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Oh Steve, watch The Wire. One of the best American TV series' I've watched.

And I totally get that about Lovecraft. It's a bit of a strange one. I wasn't raving about it, but I definitely enjoyed it.

I can’t seem to find The Wire. I have Netflix, Disney+ and Prime. I might just have to buy the box set on blu ray. 
 

The trailer for Lovecraft had me very excited and then the first episode left me flat. I’m sure I’ll go back to it in winter when it’s cold and got nothing else to do. 

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1 minute ago, StevO said:

I can’t seem to find The Wire. I have Netflix, Disney+ and Prime. I might just have to buy the box set on blu ray. 
 

The trailer for Lovecraft had me very excited and then the first episode left me flat. I’m sure I’ll go back to it in winter when it’s cold and got nothing else to do. 

Yeah, Wire is HBO. I assumed since you had access to Lovecraft that you got HBO.

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