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I'll watch most sports, even American ones, but ice hockey just doesn't do it for me. Proper hockey is OK (specially when we won Olympic Gold...and the second finest piece of commentary ever was uttered by Barry Davies, "Where were the Germans but frankly who cares?"), but you can't see the puck move on the ice...well I can't :huh: but the fighting's OK.

 

San Jose fan now though Joe...Go Sharks :lol: !

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I'll watch most sports, even American ones, but ice hockey just doesn't do it for me. Proper hockey is OK (specially when we won Olympic Gold...and the second finest piece of commentary ever was uttered by Barry Davies, "Where were the Germans but frankly who cares?"), but you can't see the puck move on the ice...well I can't :huh: but the fighting's OK.

 

San Jose fan now though Joe...Go Sharks :lol: !

hahaha thats great to hear :D
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I love Ice Hockey. My team has got to be the Flyers (although they're crap now :( and finished bottom of the Eastern Conference) Started playing roller hockey when I was young and Flyers was the first game I saw so just supported them, it was a while back when Eric Lindros who became my favourite player (followed closely by Recchi, both now have left the flyers) but I watched Lindors when he was on fire for the flyers rather than whats happened towards the end of his career with the flyers. Ever since have stayed up a few late night watching it. Haven't really watched it a lot this year although did watch a few of the early games. Also when I do go to America I'm most certainly going to watch them :)

 

I've wanted to play Ice Hockey ever since then as well but theres not many places you can do that here :(

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Double Extra time basically...:)

 

At the end of the match if the score is level they go in overtime (extratime) but with a golden goal type rule. In playoffs if its still level at the overtime it goes onto double overtime...then if its level it will go into triple overtime. Basically, it'll keep on going until somone scores.

 

Somethin like that anyway, sure joe will correct me if anythin of that is wrong...

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Double Extra time basically...:)

 

At the end of the match if the score is level they go in overtime (extratime) but with a golden goal type rule. In playoffs if its still level at the overtime it goes onto double overtime...then if its level it will go into triple overtime. Basically, it'll keep on going until somone scores.

 

Somethin like that anyway, sure joe will correct me if anythin of that is wrong...

You got it exactly right. On Wednesday night the Dallas Vancouver match went into 4 overtimes. The match lasted 5 and half hours and the vancouver goalie made 72 saves. It was intense. It's funny a lot of Americans who don't follow football call extra time, overtime. It kills me when I hear it :(
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Away game as well! Is home advantage significant in the NHL Joe...if so a cracking start!
Home advantage is definitely significant so it was good that the sharks won a game on the road. Although, I am watching the game now and we are losing 2-1 after the first period. There are three 20 minute periods in a game so hopefully we can come back to win.
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The average price is around £45.00 . Kind of expensive for me since I would only wear it if I went to a game and I only get to one a year, if that. They aren't something I would want to wear around because of how odd they fit.

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Im the sort of guy that wears my Everton shirts on any occasion, and because Ive got that many I wear them frequently. I just fancied a hockey jersey cos they looked cool, sumething for the winter perhaps lol, although I guess you dont get much of a winter in San jose??

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That sounds awsome!!! I quiet fancy visiting Canada. I prefer the cold conditions to warm, dont get me wrong Im not anti warm, I love abit of summer but on the whole winter is the time for me.

 

See that New Jersey won last night!! wooo go devils!! :devil:

Canada is definitely nice, atleast Vancouver is and they are pretty intense about their ice hockey. I do enjoy California more though. I got a chance to watch the devils game yesterday and they look good. Round 2 of the playoffs should be entertaining.
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I really want to get into hockey butthe only chance I get is when its on at like 3 in the mornin. Started getting into the basketball, again, watched the Nets Beat the Bulls, I actually enjoyed although I thought I wouldnt. Think Thats me a Nets fan aswell lol.
I love basketball. It is my favorite American sport and my second favorite sport behind football. My favorite team is the Golden St. Warriors. I'm not sure if you know them or not but they are my local team and they finally made the playoffs this year after 13 years of not making it. The last time they made it was in 1994. Although they are matched up against the number 1 team in the west, Dallas, they won the other night so they are up 1-0 in the series :) . I watched that Bulls nets game as well. It must be weird having the games come on so early for you there but then again all the premiership games are on in the morning for me as well. Have to wake up at 4:30 in the morning to watch us against Man Utd on Saturday.

 

I should just turn this thread into the American Sports thread haha

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Hey Joe - add one more to the list of Sharks supporters here! :) I grew up in the Bay Area and I've been a fan since the Cow Palace days.
:D Thats great to hear. I remember going to some games at the Cow Palace as well, although it seems like a very long time ago. What city did you grow up in?
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I thought golden state might have been Florida, mainly cos I thought that was the states nick name, Something to do with Oranges, guess Ive picked it up from somewhere. I heard they were doing well this season, alot of peoples favourites, same with Dallas I think, although a few have put phoenix as the outsiders. Sorry Im just spouting jibberish probably lol. I stayed up till 4 the other morning for the ice hockey, Devils won so it was worth it lol.

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:D Thats great to hear. I remember going to some games at the Cow Palace as well, although it seems like a very long time ago. What city did you grow up in?

 

Only 15 years, but in hockey terms that's almost an eternity...it's amazing how radically the game has changed since then. My family lived in Fremont, and I still vividly remember the first game I attended live, a 1-0 loss to Philly in March of '92. How about you - where were you living at the time?

 

I thought golden state might have been Florida

 

Nope. Florida is the Sunshine State, although I always thought that would have been a better nickname for California than "golden state" anyway. I'm not sure where "golden state" came from - probably either from the gold rush in the 1850's or from the state flower (the golden poppy).

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Thanks for that, quite interesting the old state nick name thing. I only know a few....

 

Chicago - windy city

New York - Big Apple

 

I dont know where I'm going with this lol, considerin the thread is American sports!! lol And i've just relised Chicago is only a city!!

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Thanks for that, quite interesting the old state nick name thing. I only know a few....

 

Chicago - windy city

New York - Big Apple

 

I dont know where I'm going with this lol, considerin the thread is American sports!! lol And i've just relised Chicago is only a city!!

 

Great Britain - The 52nd state :blink::mellow:

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Only 15 years, but in hockey terms that's almost an eternity...it's amazing how radically the game has changed since then. My family lived in Fremont, and I still vividly remember the first game I attended live, a 1-0 loss to Philly in March of '92. How about you - where were you living at the time?

Nope. Florida is the Sunshine State, although I always thought that would have been a better nickname for California than "golden state" anyway. I'm not sure where "golden state" came from - probably either from the gold rush in the 1850's or from the state flower (the golden poppy).

I was living in San Jose. I grew up there and all my family lives there. I still live there when I am not away at university.

 

Edit: Great win for SJ tonight in game 1 against Detroit.

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Correct Mac.

 

 

Switching topics to the NBA, the Golden State Warriors have the chance to eliminate the Dallas Mavericks from the playoffs tonight :D An eight seed has never knocked out a one seed in a seven game series.

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Seeds are what place you are in the playoffs. It has to do with the record you had during the season. For example a number 1 seed is the team that finishes the season with the best record in the conference. An eight seed (in the basketball and hockey playoffs) is the team that has the worst record out of all the teams that make the playoffs. Therefore the number one seed plays the number 8 seed in the first round of the playoffs. Since there are two conferences in american sports (usually a western conference and an eastern conference) the playoffs are divided between the conferences. The winner of the west plays the winner of the east in the finals.

 

I hope that makes sense if it doesn't I will try and explain it better. Anyways tonight Golden State is the 8 seed and they only need one more win to eliminate the number 1 seed Dallas. Dallas by far had the best record during season with 67 wins and only lost 15 games. Golden State's record was 42-40. To win a series you must win 4 games and as of right now Golden State has won 3 games and Dallas has only won one.

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The draft is how young, up-and-coming talent is distributed to clubs in US sports. Over here, most teams don't have youth academies, and they aren't signing underage kids to developmental contracts or anything like that. Instead the kids play competitive sports for teams that are fielded by their high schools and/or their universities while they are still going to school, and many will also play in other organized amateur competitions during the summer. The only one that's a bit different is hockey, where most of the top players don't play for school teams, they go play in the junior hockey leagues up in Canada instead. Once the kids are done with school (or juniors) and ready to play professionally, they enter their names into the draft for their chosen sport, and are selected and signed by a professional team. The hockey draft is almost all 18 year olds, either from juniors or from Europe, but there are a few university players selected every year. The baseball draft is a mix of both. The NBA and NFL don't allow players to declare right out of high school. For domestic players, they all have to play for a university team first, either for at least one year (NBA) or at least three (NFL). There are several reasons why that is the case, but the most basic reason is that baseball and hockey have highly-developed minor league (basically reserve league) systems in place, so if a youngster isn't good enough to be on the parent club they can reserve him and say, "we'll help you work on your skills, and maybe in a few years you'll make our roster." The NBA and NFL don't have that support system (the NBA just started a very rudimentary minor league a few years ago; the NFL has nothing, unless you count NFL Europe). It's basically sink or swim in those leagues, so they rely on the universities to develop the players for them so that they're ready to play from the moment they get drafted. International players going into the NBA draft have a slightly different set of eligibility rules than the domestic players, but I'm not sure what those are because I'm not a big NBA guy. (Joe, do you know?)

 

Now on the process of drafting itself, here are the basics of how it works (there are various complications, unique to each sport and how they set up their draft, that I'm not going to get into).

 

Each league has one amateur draft per year, which is conducted during the offseason. The draft works as a tool for talent distribution, and it's designed to promote competitive balance within the league. It goes through a series of rounds, which can be anywhere from two (NBA basketball) to dozens (pro baseball). Each team gets one pick per round, and they pick in the same order each round. The worst team from the previous season gets the first pick in the draft (and thus, in theory, the best player available that year), the second-worst team gets the second pick, and so on. The league champion gets the last pick in each round, and at the end of the day each team comes away with x number of young players whom they now own the rights to. That's basically how it works, although there are some common wrinkles. Basketball and hockey, in order to give bad teams less incentive to deliberately tank their seasons, have introduced draft lotteries, where the non-playoff teams are put in a random drawing and the teams who are lucky enough to be drawn get to move up several spots or even get the #1 pick. Teams can also use their spots in the draft as commodities - it isn't unusual to see teams trade a player for one or more draft picks - the better the player, the more/better picks he will command. So a good team might say to a bad team, "hey, you know, we think Darren Bent could really help us out up front. If we gave you James Beattie and our draft picks in the first, fourth, and fifth rounds this year, would you consider trading him to us?" And the other team looks at the draft and sees that it's a deep one (lots of potential young talent available) and that they have a chance to dump a big salary, get a couple of extra young players, and maybe use the freed-up cash to sign an extra free agent or two this summer. So they say, "We'll consider trading him to you, but we don't like that package, how about you give us Anichebe and your third and fourth round picks instead?" And the good teams says, "No, we don't want to trade Victor, but what about..." and they go back and forth until they've agreed on some exchange of picks and/or players, or decide that they can't make it work. Teams aren't allowed to trade draft picks in baseball, but you see it all the time in the NBA, NHL, and NFL.

 

Now it's important to note that in a draft format, teams are technically drafting for the exclusive negotiating rights to a particular player, rather than the player himself. There are rules in baseball and hockey, for instance, where if a team drafts a player but can't reach a contract agreement with him within a certain amount of time, they lose the rights to that player and he can go back into a later draft and be chosen by another team. Or with international players in hockey, they're not the exclusive property of the drafting team - they're free to go play (or keep playing) in Russia or Sweden or wherever. But if they ever decide they want to play in the NHL, they would have to sign with the team who holds their "NHL rights" (as it's phrased). NBA and NFL players can only be drafted once, but in those leagues if someone adamantly refuses to play for the team who drafted him (which does occasionally happen), they'll usually try to trade him for the best return they can get.

 

The only US sport (not counting MLS) with anything similar to the way football teams manage talent is how baseball handles international players. Baseball teams have youth academies with developmental contracts and all of that, but they're all set up in foreign countries like Panama and the Dominican Republic, to mine the talent in those places (those players don't go through the draft either, they're just promoted when they're ready), and baseball also has to negotiate free-market transfer agreements to bring in senior international players, mainly from Japan and Korea. There was a big buzz in this country when the Boston Red Sox signed Daisuke Matsuzaka this past offseason because they paid over $50 million US to his Japanese team for his rights, which shattered the transfer fee record in this country. There is a fixed-market transfer arrangement in place in hockey, where any international team who loses a player to the NHL gets a flat-rate compensation of $200,000 US, even if the player is a future superstar. Hardly seems fair, but all the European leagues have agreed to it (the Russian League was the only one resisting, and they finally caved in and signed this week), so that's how it stands.

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I think JD did a great job explaining it. An issue is coming up with basketball where teams that have a really bad record aren't really trying so they can have a better shot at getting a good draft pick. Since there is no relegation they dont have to worry about going down. They asked the comissioner of the league (the head guy of the nba) was asked about it in an interview the other night and he didn't want to get into it. American sports do things a lot different. The system takes some getting use to if you are unfamilar with it but it's great to see you take interest in it. We do have a lot of good sports that are fun to watch.

 

By the way Golden State had a 9 point lead with 2 minutes left and lost the game, so game 6 will be at home on thursday night. It is a must win.

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Good grief JD :o ! Seems very complex...I understood the basic draft concept of the worst team getting first pick of the next intake already but I had no idea there was so much to it. Theoretcally I like the idea of evening up competition but it'd never work here, our university sport is pretty much ignored with the exception of Oxford/Cambridge boat race...although there are several unis with excellent facilities now...Bath, where my little bro went is one.

 

You also don't have promotion/relegation and the complications that would bring.

 

Thanks for such a detailed explanation though.

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There is a whole issue about how Major League Soccer should be structured here in America. The league is set up like other American sports where you have playoffs and a draft. There are a few reasons why I think this is. First off they want to make the league appeal to their biggest consumers which would be the American public. A majority of Americans are not familar with the way a European league is run and operated. Secondly the relegation system would never work for the MLS. There isn't enough clubs in American and no investor is gonna want to build a stadium, lets say, with a chance his team won't even be playing in the top division. It is a difficult situation for the league. I want to see it run as much as possible like other football leagues around the world but at the same time I want to see it grow while increasing the level of play.

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Good grief JD :o ! Seems very complex...I understood the basic draft concept of the worst team getting first pick of the next intake already but I had no idea there was so much to it. Theoretcally I like the idea of evening up competition but it'd never work here, our university sport is pretty much ignored with the exception of Oxford/Cambridge boat race...although there are several unis with excellent facilities now...Bath, where my little bro went is one.

 

You also don't have promotion/relegation and the complications that would bring.

 

Thanks for such a detailed explanation though.

 

It actually isn't that complex once you see it in action - it's one of those things that's probably easier to demonstrate than it is to describe. One of my friends has a daughter whose boyfriend is a Brit (Arsenal fan, unfortunately), and she said that he picked up on how the NFL draft worked pretty quickly when it was on TV this past weekend. And if an Arsenal fan can get it, I KNOW an Everton fan can get it. ;):D

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To our valued members across the pond I will say this.......

 

We in England have only just come to terms with something you boys take for granted, most sports are wonderful games, but bloody awful business'.

 

We see the US set up as corporate driven PR opportunities, which debase the core of a particular sport/team. The EPL is a monster which dictates to us when and where we watch our footie, you have had that for years.

 

I don't pretend to understand the intricacies of "Drafts" and such, but I do have grave reservations about a system that is open to potential abuse and corruption.

 

ATB

 

Mac

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Golden State beat Dallas tonight to win the series :D !!!! They are my second favorite sports team behind Everton and they haven't won a playoff series since 1991, when I was 7. Great experience just watching. Round two starts Monday.

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With all due respect to our colonial cousins.

 

The words American Sports, are up there with "military intelligence" and "curvy supermodel"

 

We love our US members, but netball and rounders are not sports.

 

ATB

 

Mac

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Actually, equating netball and rounders to basketball and baseball is like equating futsal or futebol de salão to regular football. Superficially similar in some ways, but the playing fields and rules are completely different, and for the most part the necessary skills to master are different too.

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Louisiana Swamp Buggy Racing, right up there with feral cat fighting.

 

This Aussie rules, It's not bad 2 watch, I sorta got it sussed, but fuk me theres so much happening all the time off the ball etc.

 

The lad's tell me 1 of the few sports that is actually much betetr Viewing live than on Tv due to the giant field & constant dueling off camera.

 

Still it's not a patch on real Football.

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So the new soccer season kicks off this weekend for the university teams here in the USA. Locally I'm planning on going to a game this Sunday (Naval Academy vs. Air Force Academy), but I'm really excited about this season because my alma mater (California-Santa Barbara) are the defending men's national champions and ranked #1 in the country in most of the preseason polls. Santa Barbara actually has a fairly international team. Our head coach has always heavily scouted Canada and New Zealand in particular - we have alumni on both countries' national teams - and this year we also have players from Spain, Sweden, and Jamaica on the roster. But Santa Barbara's defense for the last two years has been anchored by a 6-5 central defender named Andy Iro, who's a Liverpool native. He went to school at St. Edwards and played youth football for Kingsley United. He's also one of the frontrunners to win the National Player of the Year award this season.

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Dragging this thread up out of the dust for a second...

 

I was reading today that Platini doesn't even want to hear Man U's complaints about Real Madrid publicly expressing an interest in C. Ronaldo, basically saying that it was "normal" and "part of the game" for Real to use the press to recruit him for their club. Which is obviously true (I've followed this sport long enough to know that), but it's still a bit jarring to me as an American to hear it stated so bluntly. In our sports leagues in this country, ANY public expression of interest from a team in acquiring a player under who is contract to another team, even something as mild as, "Of course we'd want Andrei Arshavin, what team wouldn't?" is considered tampering and punishable by a fine at the very least. Even if two teams are working out a transfer deal and everyone already knows exactly which player is going where, the team still can't make any official comments about the player they'll be acquiring until the deal is completely done. Now there's nothing to stop a player or an agent trying to stir things up in the media in order to attempt to force a transfer to a bigger/richer/more desirable club (that happens as often on this side of the pond as it does on yours), but the teams themselves can't use the media as a recruiting tool to attract a player that they want or to make him unsettled with his current club. Every professional sports league in this country forbids that.

 

Not passing judgment on one method over the other, though I definitely have my personal preference. I just thought it was an interesting contrast in attitudes towards what's considered "fair game" and what's over the line.

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I had a phase where I wanted to move to the USA and try to become a basketball player, I saw the houses on the MTV Cribs and saw just how much they get paid. I mean, its worse than football. Those guys dont have to run as much and occassionaly jump for a hoop. I'd love to see the pay salary for players like Kobe Bryant. Woulden't mind his wages for a week.

 

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certainly pays better to be a baseball player in america than to play for everton ...

NY Yankees just committed 110mil£ for 7 years to one player (cc sabathia) .. that's 300.000£ per week for seven years :o

 

on the other hand 110mil buys you only 7 fellaini's :D

 

 

They've also just committed another $180 million on another player

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I had a phase where I wanted to move to the USA and try to become a basketball player, I saw the houses on the MTV Cribs and saw just how much they get paid. I mean, its worse than football. Those guys dont have to run as much and occassionaly jump for a hoop. I'd love to see the pay salary for players like Kobe Bryant. Woulden't mind his wages for a week.

 

(:

 

 

i'm currently going through a phase where i want to become a baseball player :).

look at the guy who just got all that money :

sabathia.jpg

 

i mean, anything that fat guy can do, how can i not be better at it ? :)

 

and he's not the only "athlete" in that sport that looks as overweight as he does.

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