Jimy_Hills_Chin

 

I like to laugh at the delusion on display - that site is full of people who always look on the bright side and actively shut down any criticism of Man United or its players whatsoever, I actually find the 'top red' mentality on there pretty pathetic as there can be no progression in life without criticism. The Welbeck thread is a particular belter - people there think he's a world-class superstar in the making and that his general play is fantastic. Absolutely clueless.

 

What makes me laugh the most is that three times or so in the last few years I've seen threads pop up where people there congratulate themselves on being the best football site on the internet - nobody in their right mind takes the place seriously and it's worse than RAWK, despite your constant jibes at the Liverpool forum. I find RAWK far more informed when it comes to football outside of the UK. Redcafe is full of premfaces. You can't deny the place is embarrassing.

 

I find the snobbery over the 'newbie' system pretty pathetic as well - lots of poor posters clearly make it up to the main forum because glorifying everything Man United is what's required. Just so you know, I absolutely hate Man United (and no it isn't because of envy, because I don't mind far more successful clubs like Barca and Milan). There's lots of myths about your club which are repeated ad nauseam on there, it's quite amusing to see how many United 'fans' on there are ignorant of their history. But this isn't the place to discuss it.

 

To be fair it's a good site when it comes to general discussion and entertainment - but in terms of football discussion it's very poor. Just so you know though I wasn't referring to you personally with the 'clueless' comments. I'm not looking for an argument - this is simply the first opportunity I've had to tell a Redcafe poster what a cesspool of a site it is.

 

Anyway, now that I've told you what I think about that dump, I will reply to the rest...

 

what you call a 'proud Unionist' (so proud that the purple-nosed prick claims to be a socialist whilst accepting knighthoods) I call a little-Englander/Britainer (in this case at least). it's clear to me that Ferguson always liked British players and the antiquated British style (442, traditional crossing wingers in the 2000s etc). Your final paragraph sums up exactly what I think. It's taken many of your fellow Mancs a while to realise it though.

 

Oh, and just so you know, anyone who associates particular 'character traits' with a particular nationality has lost the plot. Moyes is from Bearsden which is a very affluent part of the country - I can assure you he didn't have the sort of upbringing Ferguson himself had.

Christ you don't like Man Utd! I think that on Redcafe you can be ostracised if you are not constantly praising the club. If you take a cynical and sceptical view towards thing the main 'heads' on there do not like it. To be fair though, prior to this season, why the hell shouldn't a Man Utd fan look on the bright side? We were very lucky to be winning all the time. Fergie was only 3 points away from winning 7 league titles on the bounce before he retired. He got 5/7 in the end.

The Welbeck as the new Jesus is kind of popular on there. I can't disagree with that! Not my opinion though. The thing is that United have never really brought a great local striker through the ranks, there was a lot of hope that Welbeck would be that player, he is also a very likeable chap too.

Yeah, Fergie has a massive ego, is bloody minded and is often hypocritical. I don't really think that a Ghandi type character would be able to prevail in that kind of competitive environment. I don't really expect guys like Mourinho and Ferguson to be choir boys.

Worringly Fergie had previously recommended Sven Erikson (from the Hodgson school) and Martin O'Neil to succeed him previously which kind of shows that he ain't too good at this type of stuff. When you are chosing players you can make mistakes here and there but if you choose the wrong manager then the consequences are far greater.

I think that Redcafe is a good site though.

You the guy with the same username from Redcafe? Been reading it for years, the majority are clueless fuckers on there - terrible site.

 

Anyway, I said at the time that Moyes is a mid-table manager and wouldn't cut it at United. He isn't a bad manager but he's certainly not good enough for a club which aims to win the title every season. The appointment smacked of xenophobia, frankly - Ferguson going on about his 'Scottishness'. I'm Scottish myself (and not an Everton fan, btw). I just found it embarrassing. Great leaders should never be allowed to select their successor.

I think that Moyes being Scottish played a worryingly big part in him getting the job. Looking back though, the two great periods of success were under Busby and Ferguson, both Scots. I think that Fergie sees something inherent in the Scottish character that makes them good leaders. Fergie was always keen to have a lot of firstly English and secondly British Isle players in the squad. He is a proud Brit and Unionist as well as a Scot and he always thought that a English/British core was very important to the club.

There is a feeling amongst a fair few United fans that Moyes was chosen largely for antiquated traditions rather than a footballing philosophy, that he is very much the wrong choice and that Fergie's stubbornness and the clubs desire not to be a sacking one will see us paying for it for a good while yet.

As you know he has a massive rebuilding project and Fergie obviously papered over the cracks to a large degree. I think it's going to be rough for a number of years while he gets the players in he wants. I think your days of fast attacking football are behind you, it's going to be one dimensional for a long time to come but I think he'll likely get it right but 'right' may most likely mean no silverware or CL for a long time to come.

 

In a nutshell United are screwed.

Thank you for your response. Moyes won't get many years of no CL. I think that he will start to come under pressure 18 months into his reign if he is not showing signs of improving. I think that will mean Manchester United being top four come Christmas.

The bolded part is rather disconcerting!

Cheers for that link Dixie. I have read it before but wanted to get a feel if the TT posters think that Moyes has it in him to win trophies with United and to get us playing attractive football.

Good afternoon

Man Utd fan here. Hope that you are all well and enjoying your season. Obviously a lot of us United fans are in meltdown after the horrendous season that we have endured under Moyes so far. Nonetheless, there are a good number of fans though who are absolutely sure that Moyes is the right man and just needs time and (lots of) money to build a team in his image.

The greatest bone of contention with Moyes's reign so far is that we play God awful one dimensional football. Most of us could handle these type kind of results after the seismic shift of Ferguson leaving if we looked to be making tactical progress or playing great football. Moyes's defenders in the United fan ranks claim that Moyes had Everton playing great football last season and that his is in fact capable of evolving into a manager who will excite fans with great football, oh yeah and get the better of the likes of Mourinho to win titles.

What think the denizens of Toffee Talk? Did Moyes ever have you guys playing good football worthy of Manchester United? What are you predictions for Moyes's Manchester United after years of watching Moyes at Everton?