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I don't give two squirts of piss where you're from, the more fans from around the world we have the better, but what I meant is it's easier for you to be happy with sitting mid-table doing absolutely nothing in the league and selling our best players because you aren't spending x amount of money to watch said players. You try putting every penny you possibly can into the club and then have the board do nothing.

 

I wasn't born in Liverpool either, I didn't mention Liverpool once in my post.

 

I'm glad I made you feel welcome. Score.

I don't condone selling our best players. Not once did I say we should. But I don't condone the idea of mindless injection of money. A football club is meant to be self sustaining. Fuck, with the millions of dollars they get every year, not just from season ticket holders but from people who subscribe to TV channels halfway around the world too.

Reduce the wage bill. Get a transfer fee for the players we don't need. Get cheaper backups than Heitinga or Bilyaletdinov. They're not going to be Moyes' first choice picks, and I don't think Bily's or Heit's performances couldn't be matched by a budget alternative. Cap the salaries. Keep making profitable signings, sell the players not in the long term vision of the club. Hang on to Felli, Rodwell, Jags, Baines, Coleman, they are the future of Everton.

Take the money saved, use that to buy players. Not an interest-free loan from BK, or a blind injection from some billionaire. It'd be nice to win shit, to be making marquee signings, but until then it's even nicer knowing that the club I support is a healthy, fiscally responsible and profitable one. And I don't think I'd feel different whether I was a season ticket holder or not.

Exactly, and it's easy for him to be happy with the current situation when he comes from Singapore tbf.

Don't see how that makes my opinion any less valid, unless you are saying that I'm not as hardcore a fan as you are, which I admit I probably am not. Would be cooler if you could explain why my opinion is wrong though, rather than just discrediting it because I wasn't born in Liverpool.

Also, a big thanks for making an overseas member feel so welcome.

I don't see myself as unambitious, but I am quite realistic in my expectations of the club I suppose. Fact is we are a mid-table club, maybe 8th or 9th best in the league. And we're doing that without needing outside investment. If you look at the clubs around us I think that's quite an achievement.

Moyes knows he's not going to get investment, those are the disappointing facts of the situation.

I'm fine with being a financially prudent club. Saying that because they're club owners they should have money to invest, I don't agree with that. If the club itself is not making money I personally don't see why owners should invest more in it. I mean, it would be nice, but I like the fact that we're mostly self sufficient.

I don't understand this game. How do you consider it a game? There is no fun element other than the actual betting. It's like a scammy version of an online bookie, with much poorer odds.

If they don't have the money to provide Moyes with anything then they're not the right people to be running the club, clearly. It's supposed to be a partnership is it not? Not Moyes covering up for their inadequacies time and time again. Only, this season their unsuitability to run a football club has been shown up because Moyes hasn't been able to perform miracles like he has in the past.

 

We're in the richest league in the world and the board can't provide their manager with any funds? There's something wrong with that, IMO. It stinks of mismanagement of the highest degree.

 

I accept that we're not cash rich but the board should provide Moyes with a base of funds, surely? He shouldn't have to do it all himself. I have issues with Moyes but he deserves better backing, he's earned it.

Still doesn't answer the question of where the money comes from. We made 200k of losses this year, and that's without signing anybody. You expect the board to chuck money at the problem?

The board and Moyes have got to discuss whether they want to be conservative and sell players, cut down on the wage bill, and try and stay in mid-table anonymity or take the financial risk, sign players and go for Champion's League football.

I'm fine with the first option personally

No!

No no no no.

Chelsea 0 - 1 Everton. We are going to win it.

Think Sunderland belongs on that list as well.

Fellaini for me. Feel a bit sheepish now after looking at the results so far, but he was the only one who looked like his heart was in it. Sure he didn't have the best of games, squandered possession a couple of times with some misplaced passes, but he was willing to tackle back that extra half yard, to fight for the ball in scrappy situations, and to run hard to support the attack.

That was absolutly shocking!! i see bolton on a similar level to us, yet they looked leagues ahead of us today, we had nothing upfront whatsoever, why did we get rid of Yak? that is starting to look like a real bum idea on moyes part. Anichebe is possibly the worst striker i have ever seen(or one of them) he truely is useless, defo not a top level player. Moyes looked very fed up on the sidelines, lets see what happens now, but today was just crazy, did'nt think we were quite that bad tbh

 

 

EDIT: on talksport at the moment they are having a debate as to whether Moyes will still be there in the summer should he get no backing from Bill again

I consider Bolton to be a worse team than us.

Moyes looked depressed. I hope to god he doesn't leave us...

And he loses the ball yet again. Awful awful awful first touch all day.

Good god, Anichebe is appalling. Beckford would have scored that if he released, no doubt

We're somehow squeezing some passes together, aren't we?

Immense deep cross from Baines, Cahill shoulda made it 1-1.

If they sold Arteta we would be bitching all the same, just about a different thing. Personally I think the board are trying their hardest to balance the finances and the football. If a key player for us wants to stay then by all means give Moyes the money to keep hi IMO.

True enough. All that said, a striker has been a top priority for something like two seasons already, but we haven't managed to get one. I am so worried what will happen if Saha gets injured this season, with Yak out on loan we are lost for options.

I think he is a good player, that is disappointing to hear.

Disagree personally, Cahill is a shoo-in when fit and Rodwell still looks a little weak to me.

Two questions,

1. How much is Felli earning now?

2. What wages would you pay Felli?

I agree with this (ish). Distin only has a couple of seasons left in him and despite being brilliant for most of this season, he was average last and poor at the start of this. We might not get much for him but I wouldnt in a million years get rid of Heitinga or Jags to raise a bit of cash. With Duffy and Mustafi (potentially Dier as well) acting as backups we have plenty of depth in my eyes and Moyes will have to use them if we continue with limited funds.

 

Yobo 4 mil

Distin 4 mil

Yak 6mil

 

Add that to the 2ish mil for Pienaar that gives us around 15mil for a couple of quality players. We are going to need someone to replace Saha sooner or later so a striker must be a priority.

If you can consider Duffy and Mustafi squad players, then why not Gueye, Silva, Baxter?

Blackpool looked completely shattered when we were through with them. Have to give them credit though, they've got a lot of heart, and they put a really good, exciting game for us.