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Rather paranoid!

haha good thing about sticking with hypothetical Koeman is that he could have been a roaring success and there is no way to prove me wrong! Putting your chips on Unsworth however is incredibly brave as every loss is another nail in the coffin of your argument! But I doubt Unsworth will get that far either haha! I just think its a very risky thing we have done, as we just seem to be hoping that the next guy will make things better without really knowing who the next guy even is and he could just as easily make things worse. To be honest I would be happy with Benitez above any of the other candidates though dont think we'll get him!

But are you prepared if it all goes tits up and we get relegated to admit that it is all YOUR fault?

Not really that much of a difference though couple of points...although granted cant really recall how our play compared with this season.... But still the europe aspect is only one part of the overall point I was trying to make...

Its not a case of wanting rid of him though, but whether or not at this point in time we are actually better off having sacked him? Sure sack him eventually if hes not doing well, but at least wait until we actually have a decent replacement lined up. Presently we have a manager with no PL experience and with names like big Sam in the hat! Was this the plan?

You really brought out the big guns with that one!

I'm sure I remember we played very poorly in the league, the last time we got into Europe as well. I think that European football makes a huge difference to how teams like ours performs in the PL. It was a big factor in Leicester winning the league and Liverpool very nearly winning it. Neither teams were competing in Europe which proved to be a huge advantage, and so it almost certainly follows that competing in europe is just as much a disadvantage, as not competing is an advantage, PL wise . After qualifying for the CL however both teams quickly sank like the titanic the next season! If a team does not have the depth within their squad, as do teams such as man city they really seem to struggle. Liverpool almost as much as Everton.

I cant help but feeling that we utterly panicked! Is it not possible we were just on a very bad losing streak, with an unsettled squad, with new players coming in, and a very difficult cluster of fixtures, combined with the heavy burden of European football? But we never even waited to find out, and see what happened after we got out of Europe, the squad settled down, and most importantly when we extracted ourselves from that awful, and confidence shattering losing streak we were on. The strange thing is fans now seem fully capable of lowering their expectations (all the way down to casting us as relegation fodder) but only now that Koeman is gone, and would never have allowed Koeman's Everton similarly rock bottom expectations! The new manager will perhaps at least enjoy the opportunity of managing a club for which there is a convenient scapegoat to blame for having destroyed what he himself, is just trying to put back together again! Had Koeman enjoyed the expectation of simply staying in the PL, then I think he'd have been in for a very successful season! We will never know now, but it seems to me that we fired Koeman without any idea whatsoever of with whom to replace him, and bizarrely now seem to be running through a list of candidates who seem either less experienced, or just plain inferior to the man we already had! I believe as long as we dont look like going down, we could give Unsworth a chance until we are able to be sure of a decent replacement, but I find it incredible that we should be in this position so soon into the season. Surely the fans cant have had this situation in mind when they called for Koemans dismissal? I think people need to support the signings Koeman made as there's every chance they will come good in the end, when things settle down, and confidence is hopefully restored. For godsake though, lets stop panicking!

Yeah good post man I understand what you're saying!

Semi colon... its somewhere near the lower intestine right?

Nah my punctuation sucks and I only know that it sucks, but in many cases probably couldn't tell you why it sucks! I just sprinkle comas around wherever I feel they might be needed!

No I wish! Well I guess I do write as a hobby!

True that is pretty brutal!

Exactly! It was a disgrace how Moyes was treated at Man U and I think its probably something that still deeply haunts him because it went beyond football, and was in the end just bullying and persecution. Still when I start feeling sorry for football managers like David Moyes I do have to remind myself that for failing in his job he was awarded 5 million quid! 5 million quid, and I'm feeling sorry for him?

Indeed and I dont think the pressure is going to let up either, and so he'll probably continue to unravel. If he's lost the dressing room then I dont see how he will be able to turn it around sadly.

I wasn't saying Moyes was a good fit (wouldn't want him back at Everton) for Man U, as its clear that he was always the wrong man for that job with next to no credentials for such a big club. Firing the backroom staff was seemingly insane, but I guess he wanted to do the job his way which is understandable. Probably just being loyal to his own guys as well. Point is he was still the boss, and it was clear that as with many other clubs the players simply downed tools and refused to lift a finger for him because they didn't respect him rightly or wrongly. In the end Rio, and his bruised ego, should not be sacrificing the team itself just to get rid of David Moyes, but should have been fighting for the fans and the shirt no matter what. Now you could make the argument that if they hadn't downed tools he might still be there (lol) but thats another post... Same with the Mourinho situation, you only have to look how much they improved after he was gone, to know that they were purposefully sabotaging him. That type of behavior (losing on purpose basically) in my opinion can never really be justified. No matter who the manager is or what the players think of him, they should be giving their all. I should point out though that I am not saying this is what is happening at Everton as I honestly dont know. I just think Koeman should get a bit of breathing space, because nobody really knows whats going on behind the scenes... Sometimes seems like even fans can get to the point of hating a manger so much that they actually want to lose, and thus prove said manager to be every bit as awful as they say he is! And when it gets to that point maybe all, is indeed lost! Ps. When you say alienated the players you mean by criticizing them?

Thanks man!

Well nobody knows the future so I am willing to accept I may be wrong, I mean like I said we could end up getting relegated! Yeah sure tactics are important but I seriously believe so is a positive and supporting atmosphere. If you boo your own team at half time for example, all you really end up doing is making your own team nervous, and actually fearful of their own crowd which becomes counter productive! Imagine trying to do a job like that, waking up everyday to read how you're a dead man walking with planes literally flying past your head reading 'you suck' ! It would contaminate everything from your staff right down to the players themselves and unfortunately for managers its a very negative consequence of instant/social media. The negativity that can be whipped up within a matter of months, and directed against a manager these days is just astonishing, and in large part it comes from a sometimes toxic relationship between the fans, the media/social media, and the players themselves, with each feeding off, and being influenced by the other. David Moyes was the prime and most extreme example, of how the fans, media, and players can mutually influence one another in a negative sense, to bring about a managers dismissal, but with pretty much the same result (Van Gaul) in the end, and at great expenditure. We know now that the players and even his assistant manager Ryan Gigg's were undermining David Moyes at every opportunity because basically they just looked down upon him as a nobody who hadn't ever won anything. He was never given a fair chance, because the Man U players considered him beneath them before he had even walked into the dressing room. The players he brought in such as Fellani and Mata were declared to be total rubbish, by man U fans and a massive waste of money. But they were, and are, great players as time would tell them... I do honestly believe that if fans just waited a season or two before they started protesting and hiring out planes, then the manager would be much more likely to turn things around as he wouldn't be under such an enormous burden of pressure and hostile negativity. But in this day and age that just isn't going to happen I guess...

To be honest the negativity is already so intense I guess failure is unavoidable but I certainly dont think sacking him is going to help matters. The modern game is basically a bad case of going through managers like cheap socks. A few bad results and the fans pile on, the media follow, and before you know where you are, the players themselves have ousted the manager! Its bad for all concerned especially the club itself. It never used to be like this as the manager of a football team used to be the boss unless he went full Brian Clough or something, but its happening all over these days as the players know they can easily get rid of any manager who so much as dares to criticize them or not give them their own way. I dont like Mourinho but hes a good manager (if tactically boring) and obviously got overthrown by the players at Chelsea, as did Moyes at Man U, and Claudio Ranieri at Leicester. Players not playing to the best of their ability, in order to spite or dispose of a manager, should be seen as tantamount to treason, but the players will continue to get away with this kind of behavior, if the fans continue to just passively accept it, and focus on scapegoating the manager as soon as things go wrong. I'm not saying that's happening here, but people should be a little more circumspect and stop with the Witch Hunts every god damned week. You'll enjoy the sport more too if you relax a little more. Personally as a lifelong Evertonian I'm so accustomed to misery I haven't even begun to worry yet, and dont generally expect to win anyway haha! You gotta give managers a chance to build a team, give new players time to settle down, and gel together which must be difficult when so many new players come in, and established players start getting pushed out. Its bound to create a massive disruption/resentment, and an uneasy atmosphere that probably affects performances especially for the new players. But to call for the managers head this early is crazy, and will just end up being, a self fulfilling prophecy. His biggest mistake IMO was bringing Rooney back in. I've never had any resentment or ill feeling against Rooney for leaving, but anyone should have been able to see from his last few seasons at Man U that he's coming to the end of a great career and is basically conked out. I couldn't believe it when we re-signed him, and it was then that I seriously questioned Koemans judgement. I dont know how he couldn't have worked out exactly why Mourinho was selling him. That said many people who want Koeman out now, were made up to be getting Rooney back and its my guess that Rooney wont prove to have been a good signing. I say give him Koeman at least year and if we get relegated you can burn me! Still unlikely he will survive...