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In - O'Hara, Another Striker (Vagner Love?)

 

Out - Yakubu and Anichebe

 

Just thought i would get back on Topic a Little

Why would you get rid of our best striker?

most if not all my man utd mates were gutted when phil left...that says enough right there...you'll do well find a more committed, honest and hard-working captain in the premiership than him! also i know it doesnt come into football really but he isnt a dick off the pitch and doesnt bring the club into the spotlight with any stupid shite!

Thats the problem right there lad. Captains are all that and more, but its the more Neville can never give as he doesnt possess it. Take the captain out of your sentance and you have described Lee Carsley, should he have been captain?

We speak to differing United fans, the ones i spoke to were delighted to see him go

ok. to sum up, Pip isnt a great player but he is a very good leader, this is the general view of everyone except the headcase. I personally think he is too slow and too defensive minded but i dont doubt his commitment and ive come to accept that we are a better squad with him, playing or not. He always gives 100%. Like you tried to argue against Ossie (which i ignored because your reply was again stupid) that any player can give 100%. This is completely true. One difference for Pip and Ossie - they DO give 100%, as do most of the squad. Potential and actual, 2 very different things.

 

I think people forget that the games after he first got injured back in september, we won the next 5 games, scored 14 goals and conceeded 1 before we started to fall apart (which was around the time when Peanuts got injured). in fact, we only won 1 game (shaky performance at BATE) after that and for 7 games were in free fall until Nev came back. it was Pienaar we were missing on the pitch not Pip. BUT. Pip was on the sidelines like a second manager, shouting and instructing as if he was on the pitch, trying to get the patchwork team to work together. Things couldve been even worse without his influence, they certainly wouldnt have been better if he wasnt there.

 

To say Pip doesnt tackle is also stupid (im seeing a theme in your opinions here, going to have to get a theasaurus soon to find another word that fits so well). What about THAT tackle, which some say sparked the team into climbing up the league to get 5th? 1 thing ive always admired about him is that he is fearless and never backs out of a challenge.

 

Backs off too much? Will give you that one but i personally think its him being aware lack of pace and not knowing how to deal with it. This would fall under the "we know he isnt the greatest player part". Guess what, no player is perfect.

 

Useless waste of space? Errrr, no. there are better players for RB in the league but not in our team. To write him off like that is again stupid.

 

Im going to quote myself here, something i said to Milky when he was spouting crap and moaning when people had a go at him, not respecting his opinion blah blah fuckin blah:

 

"I was failed on so many exams because i gave my opinion when i asked. Truth is, opinions are only worth anything when theyre backed up, something i know i didnt do because i couldnt be arsed revising or doing my homework. Something youre also not doing, or if you are, youre not doing a good job of explaining yourself... "

 

offensive, shortsighted and down right stupid i think i said to your last pile of tripe? I stand by it....

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear! So many holes in this post, where to start.

1) A great leader - You really need to define this and also look up the word leader as you dont seem to understand it. As for only head cases not knowing this, then there must be plenty of Everton head cases about then! People who are NOT taken in by the tedious daily media soundbites coming out of his boring monotonous voice.

2) Giving 100% - I challenge you to find any in our squad who dont give there all to the cause, with that being the case, highlighting this for 2 particular players doesnt hold any sway.

3) Pienaar - So your agreeing with me? As for Neville being the 2nd manager, behave yourself. You cant prove this b/s and thats exactly what it is...bull! Its just another ludricous arguement from a Neville sympthasiser, do we not need Round anymore? Has Super Nev with no coaching experience taken his role over? Are you on something?

4) Pips Tackling - Can we please stop talking about 1 tackle, after the whistle was blown by the way. You watch any game you choose and he backs off and backs off and lets the player get a cross in. His tackling and his defending are easily the worst element.

5) Useless waste of space - I will stand by that, he offers nothing to the side as a footballer (something which can actually be seen as opposed to the fictional leadership you like to offer). As a defender, Hibbo is a much better tackler rarely gets beaten and going forward young Coleman has the legs and energy on Neville. So take your pick of Coleman or Hibbo, its not Neville!

6) Opinions - I have backed everything up with FACTS, you have simply spouted the same rubbish Neville lovers have been talking about since he joined, change the record!

 

 

The rest of the stuff being discussed like Pip being a poor captain well i could write an essay on what a load of shite that is but really can't be arsed as I'm sure 99.9% of Evertonians will think he's a great captain leader and role-model.

Go for it lad, i will quite happily pick out every single hole in it. I will start with your ludricous 99.9% statement, i must know every single member of the 0.1% then! If you think that mate, your delusional.

No doubt the usual di*kheads will jump on this article slagging Bill off for not finding us investment.

do you fancy a single everton player? or are they all not good enough to wear the shirt?

Yep plenty of them. Are you saying you like every single one of them?

Ok!....You seem to hate Neville! and his ex Man Utd background...typical red

 

You hate little Ossie, product of Evertons youth system....typical red.

 

You didn't mention Ratcliffe as a past captain...the most successful Everton captain...and hated most by...reds.

 

 

You/milky couldn't bear to mention Moyes getting 4th spot.....red!

 

You/milky seem to like winding people up for no reason....red.

 

You/milky moan about a quiet forum!

 

You/milky.....run back to rafa, and his sinking ship!

I hate Neville because he is an embarrassment to the club

Never once said i hate Ossie, i said he is a saleable assest who IF was sold would not damage the 1st team too much, can you deny that?

Never mentioned loads of Capts lad, what the hell does that prove?

As for the rest your talking out where the sun dont shine, i mentioned it was a quiet forum because people were actually posting and as a new member i have noticed it isnt the busiest forum in the world then a admin decides to call time on it for no other reason than he doesnt like it.

Been to more Everton games than you have had hot dinners lad, so run away and hide behind mommy

I have told you to stop, just because they have different views than you doesnt mean you have to continually reply and argue the same point time and time again.

 

Have sent you a PM, take heed.

"The Art Of Killing Conversation"

By Bill The Admin

You would think it was an Everton forum to discuss Everton matters, but i guess this place is too busy for such things....oh wait

Agree to disagree, You'd better have a rethink about the NO mate, or you might not be around much longer.

When you tell the others to stop replying to it, i will stop as well. Or does it only work in a one way street on this place? As for the last bit i see the admin have already give me a clear indication of the type of place it is

 

 

Your pissing everybody off big time, Give it a rest.

That would be NO

What!.....How the hell could you leave out our most successful captain, and yes another defender....Ratcliffe!

 

Let's be honest, Neville is helped in his quest for a first team place mainly due to the fact that his competition is Hibbert and a inexperienced Colman.

 

Imagine we had a fully fit right back in brilliant form and all our midfielders were also fit and on form...Neville is really going to struggle to get a game.

 

No one is saying that Phil Neville is a great player, he's getting games because of cicumstance, he's probably as good a captain as any present Everton player in the squad

and that's obviously in his favour.

I don't think any member of this forum is trying to make a case for Neville being thought of as one of our more important/better players.....but it's an insult to Neville to call him a "useless waste of space", he's not our best, but he's not a useless waste

of space.

Its actually a compliment to call him a footballer, he is that bad. He is a disgrace to the shirt and an embarrassment to past captains. People get easily convinced by the fact he has won a couple of medals at United (not a major influence in any of there medals) and because of the lovely (if boring, tedious and predictable is what you call lovely) soundbites he makes in the media.

Where it matters most, on the pitch, he is the weakest link. To coin Anne Robinson, Neville you are the weakest link, now do one

how many of those games has he been forced to play on the wing because of a skeleton squad? I bet you when the boss said "i need someone to play out of position on the right, any volenteers?" his hand was 1st up. He gives his all every game and is usually the player who doesnt get the headlines. Blue through and through.

 

Ossie is my favourite player, so i maybe biased. But when he is in centre of midfield he is awesome, on the wing he is rubbish. Comfortable with 2 feet, cracking touch and skill, strong for a short guy and clever. Oh, and he scores some crackers. I dont mind seeing him being critisized because he deserves it sometimes, like any other player, but to sell him is just offensive, shortsighted and down right stupid...

 

just read back a bit further and came to the conclusion that youre an idiot.

Any one of us can give 100% to the cause so that arguement is completely stupid, we have moved on from commited footballers now. He isnt skillfull or quick enough for the wing and the last united game aside isnt strong and powerful enought to compete with the big boys in the centre. He is a saleable assest who we could afford to get rid of without damaging the 1st team too much while generating funds towards a player who could take us forward. In a full strength squad he wouldnt get near the 11, so which one of us is offensive, shortsighted and down right stupid?

haha, this was never going to take long to esculate. Everyone is entitled to their opinion even if it is different to the majority.

Didnt you know mate, your not allowed your own opinion on footy forums. You have to be a sheep and follow the flock.....baa baa

Lol I think you are the only waste of space around here

Lol, oh dear

Are you milky in disguise?

No am not

http://www.sport.co.uk/features/Football/839/Should_Fabio_Capello_take_a_look_at_Everton%E2%80%99s_Leon_Osman.aspx

 

Something else to think about....only one player has played in all eight of our wins over the "big four" in the last six years.

Guess who it is ?

(three clues...it's not Yobo, TC or Hibbo)

And the only decent performance out of them was the last one

cant believe talk of selling ossie. im not his biggest fan, only due to knowing on his day he can be the best player on the pitch, but not often enough. mike gave the facts - 30 plus games a season in our most successful period in 20 years. been a great player for the club, done himself and the club a great service. no complaints.

You said it all there. Not often enough

read it again...he never said you did say that! he is saying we wont get much money for him if he is so shite which you seem to believe so it wouldnt be worth selling him..

We would get about 2m for him i reckon. Someone like Leeds would love him and he would be great in the championship

what about saving a certain goal with rooney then against united when it was 1-1? im sure he tackled then

 

when he came off the subs bench against burnley after coming back from injury we were playing terrible and then he came on calmed everyone down and we ended up winning 2-0...that's what a captain does he just puts confidence into people and proved it that day with just a half hour on the pitch! i think you just want a steven gerrad who will hit a 30 yarder in the last minute when we really need it...not everyone has one!

Lol your funny mate.

Dont remember Waggy ever hitting a 30yder, yet i would take him in a heart beat. Majority of our Capts have been defenders, Waggy, Goughy, Weir, Labone.

These are all players who offered something to the team as a whole and not be the weakest link in the side. Neville only gets in because of the armband he wears and not on skill.

But if what your saying is correct, selling Osman will not get us much money!

 

He's not on a huge wage here, and on his day he's way better than average.No brainer really.....Only a fool would want to sell Ossie!

 

And my favourite American is Howard.

I didnt say he wouldnt generate much money, someone else did.

My fav yank is the one who doesnt play for us! LOL

Ossie is a decent little player and a good person to have around and in the squad. I think someone's living in a FM fantasy world. Why get rid of someone who will be part of the squad each week and won't fetch a great deal of money anyway? We might as well keep him here. I don't think anyone thinks he'sfirst 11 anyway, but he has a role to play.

But if selling him means we can generate money towards everyones fav yank, would you take it?

what he made a mistake against chelsea?!??! get rid of him then!!! also he didn't out jump kuyt to stop that goal when howard went running off for a brew whilst they scored! you're just trying to do a milky now and annoy everyone...best captain we have had since dave watson for me!!

Doesnt tackle,

Backs off too much

Is useless waste of space.

You do know a capt is supposed to lead by example dont you? You know like Waggy? A capt isnt someone who can just point and give the occasional boring soundbite (Which neville loves!) in the press.

A capt should be 1 of the 1st names on the teamsheet, Neville would be lucky to get in our squad never mind the 1st team

Woops my bad, apologies... Still, he looked pretty good v Hull... :|

Did well when he came on sunday but it was nailed on for me. Last game and all that. Not worthy of the 6m being quoted

I think you're the red. Not Ossie. It's clear the man loves the club, and while he might not be a world beater he is good enough to be a squad player in the great majority of teams.

I love the club, does this mean i should play as well? No thats just stupid. Ossie is never going to be able to push us on as he hasnt got it in his locker. Cant say i would be overly bothered if he does stay but he should no longer be a regular 1st teamer

Did very little?!? He scored, laid on Rodwell's goal with a perfect little pull back, and played a sublime first-time cross into the Yak's feet for what should have been a straight-forward tap in - what part of that is 'very little'?!

Against Spurs? Oh right you didnt read my post did you! LOL