milky71

Milky could I please have the name and contact details of your care in the community officer because I think we need to have a little chat about wether or not you are really ready to be unleashed on society?

you have missed heitinga out though.

phone number of my councillor is 0871 663 1878 ask for David

I'm gonna go out on a whim here, but I don't think you need reminding.

to be honest i won't be disappointed if moyes stays as he is doing a good job but if things don't improve next season then i will be asking the same questions.

What i would like is.

1 all transfer dealings done before start of season.

2 Moyes rotates his squad a bit more.

3 Becomes a bit more adventurous away from home and get's a win against a top 4 team away.

4 If someone comes in for Pienaar he does the deal quickly

hardly a luxury when we were heavily in debt at the time! It would have been fine if we could have sold rooney and spent the money on players but as far as I'm aware it pretty much all went on clearing debts. Also we didn't get 30mil straight as far as I'm aware we got it over several payments plus some of the fee was based on appearances etc. so that only came in dribs and drabs

I apologise royle finished 6th not 7th but there weren't as many european spots back then he also had an arsehole of a chairman who wouldn't back so he walked.

IMO much better manager than Moyes

can you remind me where moyes finished in his 3rd season

Care to explain this? I can't argue with the fact that yes we did win 1 trophy which in a way is better but can you remind what our league positions were during the same period?

second season 7th then he left midseason

also he didn't have the luxury of selling a 30mill player

I cant believe this discussion, were you questioning Moyes future after the Chelsea and Man Utd game? I think not.

 

It wasnt a great match the other day but it was just one of them things...if rodwell didnt make 'that pass' at goodison a week before it would have been a different game altogether, I dont believe Moyes could be accountable for that mistake!

 

Back to Moyes, I really don't believe you have much to back your arguement with. As duncanmckenzieismagic stated, a 'loss' of under 10 million is nothing short of outstanding, considering how the man has transformed us from a relegation team that were lucky to get a point from the likes of Bolton/West Brom etc. to european qualification/ cup finals and beating the two best teams in the country (and possibly the world), not to mention some truely outstanding buys by the man....get a grip !!!!!

 

He has made mistakes in the market, but take a look at the most successful manager in the profession today...Kleberson /Miller / Djemba Djemba / Bellion / Veron (he wasn't cheap!)..

even the best do it

 

I really don't think its the time to be questioning Moyes' ability, it really is laughable at this moment in time (he was manager of the month last month FFS!!!), there maybe a time were he has took us as far as he can, but I can't see that occuring anytime soon.

 

The other point I would like to make is who could you bring in?

 

Who would be as successful with such limited funds? (and they are limited, hes 'spent' very little in terms of incoming and outgoing transactions)

 

Everton ARE a massive club and Moyes IS an outstanding manager. How could we possibly entice another quality manager, regardless of our history, with a shoestring budget at their disposal?

 

He has got flaws, he does make some questionable subs (not recently though IMO ), he has still got a lot to learn on the european stage but he is a young manager still finding his feet. He has progressed so quickly that he is bound to fall short on the big stage sometimes, another couple of years and hopefully some investment then I really do believe we can go alot further in European competitions. This is just the beginning

 

 

IN MOYES WE TRUST

I have been questioning him for the past 2 seasons.

He has been with us for 8 years now and you say he has still got a lot to learn if i was employed for 8 years and didn,t know my job i would be kicked out.

All i am saying is he has taken us along way that is non negotiable but has he got what it takes to take us further.

JOe Royle did better with no money in a shorter amount of time and there may be another young manager like moyes was when he came who can push us on.

Milky take a look at Moysies transfer dealings and explain to me in what way are they suspect

 

 

TRANSFERS IN

 

Yobo £5M

Li Tie £450k

li Wei Feng loan

Rodrigo £1.5M

McBride loan

Said loan

Jeffers loan

Martyn free

Mcfadden £1.25M

Kilbane £1M

Bent £450k

Cahill £1.5M

Bosnar free

Beattie £6M

Plessis free

Ruddy £250k

Davies £4M

Kroldrup £5M

Arteta £2M

Neville £3.5M

Ferrari loan

AVM £1.5M

Stubbs free

Westerveld loan

Spencer unisclosed

AJ £8.6M

Lescott £5M

Da Silva free

Fernandes loan

Lukas Jut £1M

Jags £4M

Baines £5M

Wessels free

Yak £11.25M

Tommy G loan

Gosling £1M

Piennar £2.05M

Jacobsen free

Castillo loan

Saha free

Nash free

Felli £15M

Jo loan

Coleman nominal fee

Mustafi nominal fee

Bily £10M

Distin £5M

Niell free

Donovan loan

Senderos loan

 

 

TRANSFERS OUT

 

Niell £1M

Lescott £24M

AJ £10.5M

Mcfadden £6M

Beattie £4M

Naysmith £1M

Kroldrup £3.4M

Bent £2.5M

Chadwick £250k

Tommy G £3.5M

Rooney £30M

Clarke £150k

Linderoth £1M

Radzinski £1.75M

Pembridge £750k

Davies £2M

Hughes £400k

 

 

That works out at total spent £101.56M and total received £92.7M

 

So in other words Moysie has "blown" a huge £8.86M since he has been in charge and all he has to show for it is changing us from relegation fodder to European regulars!

you,ve missed out heitinga

but the amount you spend is irrelevant if you buy crap and moyes has bought alot of crap.

plus if you look half of the income in is from 2 players 1 being Rooney and the other was lescott who was never worth 24mill.

i would also question a few of the fees.

Yes, because he´s been pretty poor all season.

as well as recovering from a year out with injury as well

Wait, weren't you just saying Moyes is a tosser in the transfer market. You're mental.

 

 

That said, our squad is as good as any other squad out there. We should be pushing for 4th and some silverware next year. FA Cup please.

i said he has bought alot of shite.which he has

i also said he has bought alot of good players.

50/50 good and bad.

he just manages to offload the crap quickly.

so hopefully distin may go in the summer and senderos may as well leave now

Yakubu. Finally a performance we all want to see from him.

he's hardly been given a chance this season

why didn't gosling start at rm after his goal against united.

moyes has a way of denting our young boys confidence.

No offense meant Milky, but your opinions (which you are as entitled to as any of us) seem to be totally different to everyone else.

 

Do you think therefore you may be wrong?

As it is my opinion i can't be wrong.

and also if you look back through this thread alot ofpeople actually agree with my points about his tactical naievity his use of substitutions and his lack of belief in his squad.

we still haven't beaten a top four team away from home during his 8 year reign which is appalling.

I am not denying he has done avery good job for us but question if he has the motivational skills to drag us any further.

Lets not also forget he has been given the funds to purchase record signings most years including a 15million pound signing.

Not many other teams have spent that on one player.

Fair nuff, 6 minutes just seems a long time!

pure pants

poor tactics poor team selection and poor subs

typical moyes day

Spurs played a brilliant first half, they're not pushing for 4th for nothing.

 

Sure, we played badly but you can't take anything away from the way Spurs played!

we allowed spurs to play the same as welet lisbon play on thursday

plus he kept anichebe on longer than he should.

didn,t learn from thursday that if your shit your shit

2-0 down....makes substitution...2-1 down .

 

(not to mention Gosling and Rodwell last week)

we were 2-0 down though

Careful now, all that kneejerking might cause permanent damage.

i,ve been jerking my knee for 2 years now about how inept moyes is with his tactics and use os subs perhaps someone will start noticing soon.

so how is moyes tactics team selection and purchases looking today

i don't think i have evr said he should be sacked rather that he should consider his position.

30 mil net? In 8 years? That is buttons compared to ANY other club in the Prem. The fact is we're challenging for Europe every season. Even IF we don't make Europe this term, it is not because Moyes has taken us as far as he can...it is because we played the first half of the season with between 6-14 injuries. Get a clue. Next year, with all fit (or no more than 1 or 2 injuries) we should be challenging top 3-4.

comeback next october and apologise for that if im wrong i'll apologise

well deserved.

can't see shawcross playing

Your list just goes to show how clueless you are

 

Jo,Castillo, Jeffers and Gardener were only ever on loan so are hardly transfer disasters, Li Tie was quality until he got injured and we got him for buttons anyway Li Weifeng was part of the sponsorship deal with Kiejan

Rodrigo was also only here on loan and was tipped for big things until he got a serious knee injury after a couple of games and never recovered, hardly Moyse's fault

Kilbane was a success and helped the side tremendously early on but then as we improved he was shipped on so I would say he was a good signing

 

Spencer, Arnoux, Bosnar, Said and Plessis were all kids he picked up for buttons to take a look at again can hardly be described as transfer howlers

 

Mcfadden was sold for four times what we paid for him

 

AJ was signed for £8.5M and sold for £10.5M so again a profit and again I would say he was a success at the time

Beattie was tipped for the England World Cup squad when he finished top scorere for us in 2006 and we only lost £1.5M on him anyway

 

 

In his 8 years at Everton he has turned us from relegation fodder to regular European qualifiers and has actually made a profit in his transfer dealings during that time so get your head out of your arse and give him a break

i think you'llfind he spent about 30mill net and we won't be in europe next season.

so as i said he has been good but as he gone as far as he can

I think if we're going to look at Moyes' list of signings objectively we need to look at a few more things. First of all, loans should be kept separate from permanent transfers as they cost the club less (or nothing). Second of all we ought to include the price of each transfer as well as how much they were sold for (if applicable). Third, there needs to be a comparison between Moyes and another "top" manager...say Benitez, or Ferguson. I know for a fact Fergie has made a few really poor signings (see: Berbatov). The Waiter has clearly been worse in transfer dealings than Moyes (I think he has largely been worse at chosing who/when to sell than buy).

no moyes has signed 23+ poop players in 8 years thats 3 a year

Li tie, Beattie, Davies, Kilbane, McFadden, Wright and Johnson aren't shite, I'd say more like average!

still leaves 15 in the poop section

As I said there isnt a manager on the planet who has got every signing right

 

I did promise myself a while back that I would just ignore your posts but this thread is that ridiculous I couldnt help myself

just read the posts lots of people pointing out moyes weaknesses 1 fella wants him to get an assistant for euroopean games shows alot of faith that after 8 years in the job he needs an assistant

This would be my list....be interested to see yours .

 

Yobo, Arteta, Cahill, Lescott, Stubbs, Neville, Yakubu, Baines, Jagielka, Pienaar, Howard, Fellaini, Saha, Heitinga.

 

Wright (but Wenger made the same mistake), Kroldrup (got most of the money back), Davies (again recouped money), McFadden (made good profit though), Beattie (debatable, top scorer one year and again got most of the money back), Johnson (again debatable, didn't live up to hopes but we sold him on for a profit), VDM (fair cop).

 

Jury still out on some (Billy, Distin).

 

Those are his most significant signings I think (probably missed some)....record stands up against anyone for me.

 

Posted elsewhere but bears repeating...from The Guardian after the United game...

 

"This has been a transformation as comprehensive as Arsène Wenger's refashioning of the lingering George Graham era: eight years ago in Moyes's first game in charge he picked a midfield of Tony Hibbert, Lee Carsley, Scot Gemmill and Thomas Gravesen. On Saturday his midfield was made up entirely of neat, skilful ball-players, three of whom were 5ft 7in or under. Diniyar Bilyaletdinov, Steven Pienaar, Leon Osman and Mikel Arteta more than matched the visitors for invention. Add the injured Marouane Fellaini and Tim Cahill and Everton have arguably the best midfield in the country (perhaps behind only Chelsea)."

agree with most of good transfers although felli has alot more to do to justify his 15mill fee

as for poor signings

li tie,li weifeng,beattie,vdm,davies,arnoux,jo twice,castillo,gardner,da silva,spencer,bosnar,kilbane,kroldrup,plessis,rodrigo,said,jeffers,mcfadden.

thats alot of shite in a short time.and i idn't put in wright or Johnson