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Don't get your hopes up, guys... I'm not a great fan of him, I expected more from him, honestly. Nuno Gomes has always been lackluster at best, and i hoped Hugo would do some good stuff on our national team, but...

He's an average scorer in germany, and I think someone of his stature should score more goals from crosses. Maybe he'll work better in the EPL, but I honestly don't see it.

I am a liverpool supporter, and to be honest i found it shockin the way all everton fans wer acting like you had won the game! your excuse is that you have taken away the league from us, but we have 5 months left and from what i see were level on points at the top of the prem we still have united to play! so lets see what happens in may, and as for sunday i think its a guarenteed victory!

A late equalizer in a Derby game away from home, when your side's players have cost less than the opponent's striker, is that not reason to celebrate?

As for the league, you DID loose the lead, you may say you're level on points, but they have a game less, so potentially, you're 3 points behind. And United's games are a lot easier than Liverpool's, namely they play you and arsenal at home.

Face it, every time you guys have gotten a late goal, you've held back and defended, while what you should be doing is trying for the 2nd, not give your opponent the iniciative. You did, and Cahill made you pay for it, so unless you change that sort of attitude, you can kiss the tittle goodbye. Oh, and don't forget, the reason you're still in contention is because both united had chelsea have been dropping waaay more points than they did last season, otherwise you'd be out of it already...

I have some great misgivings over this Kaka pull out, Citeh will now panic buy even more. What if they come in with huge offers for Mikel, Joleon and one or two others, we are in no position to say no. I would rat5her have someone with experience of the Prem in my side than import someone who is wet behind the ears. Citeh are stuck in that log jam at the bottom so they will spend. Can you imagine us saying no to a £30/40 million bid for Mikel and they can do it without drawing breath, shit they've paid a mint for the trouble making Belamy...............................

 

I can also imagine that if Sparky gets the boot Benitez will replace him

Very good points. In my view, it all comes down to two things:

A- you have alternatives lined up and ready to be brought in as soon as the check clears;

B- if it's too close to the transfer window closing date, screw them. It would only deplete the squad, and force Everton into trying to wrestle someone away from another club that might not have a replacement ready. Just to name Moutinho as an example, I don't think we have someone prepared to come on board to replace him, and with us still fighting on 3 fronts, League cup, Champions League and National League, loosing a key player at this stage is devastating.

And as you so eloquently pointed out, the advantage they get by getting someone already routined in the Premier League is a big plus at this point in time, and Everton would more than likely have to go outside for replacements, meaning adjustment time when you need top performance NOW, not in 2/3 months.

So at this point, any sale would very likely compromise the rest of the season, I, for one, don't think you can put a price tag on that...

Great to see you stayed with us S4E, with luck I'll get back into things shortly as my strength builds up

Well, with work, and college, and also a family problem, I haven't had much time to post, but i always read what's beeing said.

Having been so dismayed by our capitulation to that bunch of arrogant tossers in September I could not have been more proud of each and every one of them wearing the blue shirt this time round. Our little squad exhibited every ounce of guts they had to bounce back having fallen behind, we showed character in depth a trait so many of the more affluent stars wearing red could not do. The main official for once had a very good game, well done Mr Webb, he was never intimidated by the Analfield horde of Rancid reds. It is still quite remarkable that we have not seen a penalty awarded to a EFC shirt at Analfield for 71 years so don't get upset if you thought Vic should have had one, far greater appeals have gone unanswered.

 

Tonights result has stirred my adrenalin, can't sleep which is good for once.

 

Many thanks one and all for the good wishes, my health should start improving this week when I go on a new course of injections. With any luck I will be able to shout my head off to a victory on Sunday COYB

 

Incidentally I hope the reds win the league.............................................................the Manchester reds of course

Get well soon, mate. cuz there's lots more to celebrate till the season ends

And just for your giggles, a post from an aussie manc:

I have the biggest erection over Tim Cahill right now.

By the way, as anyone else seen this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...g.html?ITO=1490

Seems like, not only do they botch the transfer, but now Robinho is gone missing, possibly because of the deal colapse

Red and white Kop ......... for the ' thinking Red Shites ' , who have plenty to think about

And, as always, that's all they're gonna do.

They think they're gonna win the tittle, but...

Are you sure it's from their forum ?

The spelling looks awfully good

It's the spell check

Oh, and have fun:

Liverpool 1-1 Everton Post Match Depression

Well, I don't know about you guys, but I think Moyes should rest some players for mid-week match against ARSEnal... The FA Cup is what is, of course, and no one likes to loose, especially in a derby, but the fact is, it's highly doubtful Everton can go all the way anyway, and with a somewhat smaller squad, to keep an effort on 2 fronts, with 2 important games on each, I'd rather risk loosing one than maybe loosing both due to excess games.

Everton really need to fill in the ranks, if you want to be competitive in 3 competitions next year, EPL, FA and CL

So another game gone, and 4 points out of a potential 6, and, also that bonus of, thanks to Everton, liverfool have lost the lead

ARSEnal appear to be improving in form, with 3 draws and 3 wins on their last 6 matches, and their away for is on the rise too, with 2 draws and 1 win...

Even with Fellaini back, seems like a tough nut.

any thoughts?

Well, it looks like the boy has more than money on his mind. Seems he turned down City's offer, so he'll stay at Milan

http://www.setanta.com/uk/Articles/Footbal...aka/gnid-36204/

Ei, guys. Just got home, and saw the result, awesome, to come away with a point like that.

From your comments, looks like it was a balanced game, but I wonder if Fellaini was in the pitch, would Gerrard have the space to set up a shot like that... Anyways, great goal from tim, his move from the back to the front post left him completely unmarked, not the sort of mistake a team that wants to win a premiership makes...

Now it's the FA, right? If they rest players for the league game, it can be won, but, imo, Everton should too, and beat the crap out of ARSEnal come next week

It's always like that, the big against the not so big...

Big guys get away with things other can't...

Nah....I nearly died in 1993. Saved by doctors, not God (and I don't feel the need to wear a shirt saying "I belong to Dr Davies" ).

 

If I was god I'd get well pissed off with all this obsequious grovelling people insist on performing....just get on with your life and say "thanks mate, it was a blast" when it's over .

Well, like I said, you clearly don't undestand the south americans, when i say they're very devout to their religion, even more so than the traditional christian countries in europe, like italy, spain and portugal. I mean flogging themselves kind of devout. Crucifying themselves kind of devout...

As for you, wearing a shirt saying "I belong to Dr Davies", well... Everyone is entitled to their preferences, and, dare I say, your mother would be proud, after all, not everyone get's to hook up with a doctor

Do you understand the meaning of on paper? it means what position he plays simple as a winger as i have already said. He did not play that position last seaon he played in a supportive role to Rooney my reason for pointing this out is you kept going on about how much he achieved for a winger.

The fact that he didn't play so much in a winger position isn't the point. The point is that his training wasn't on goalscoring, it was on speed, pace, crossing, some shooting, yes, but the emphasis isn't on goal-scoring. That's my point. The fact that he also scores a lot shows the range of his skills. I'm not saying Kaká is without skills, and do't forget, they play in very different positions, so it's not that easy to simply go on an simple numbers comparison, like comparing goals and assists.

The only reason Kaka has not won more is the fact he plays for a weaker side then that of Utd its like me saying what has Ronaldo won with Portugal and Kaka Brazil the team win trophies not one player.

In terms of winning things again he has chosen to play for Milan for some years a team that has an average age of around 32/33 so to say just because a team is above them a player in that team is not as good as another its pretty stupid to be fair like when Chelsea won the League was Ronaldo a poor player for them no far from it.

Milan is NOT a weak side. True, they were involved in that scandal a few year's back, but weak they are not. Milan, Inter and Juventus are on par with the big 4 on england, maybe even Roma, but to a lesser degree.

I did see most of the Portugal Brazil game and no game against Brazil irrespectful of what nation you come it is not taken as lightly like most friendlies are anyway back to my point Kaka pulled the strings for Brazil with three assists all you have to do is watch the game which you can if you type it into google and its there to be seen. As i have already said if he was not an ex member of you football club Sporting and a fellow countrymen i dont think we would be having this conversation.

I dissagree. Kaká played ok, but Robinho and Luis Fabiano were clearly the deciding factors. And no, it's not a question of him beeing a former Sporting player. I do try to keep a level of consistency in my oppinions, and be as unbiased as possible. Our national team is doing very bad at the moment. A loss at home against denmark, 2 stupid draws against sweden and letonia, or some other low level european side similar, that in itself shows you you can't judge one player for what the squad isn't doing. I've already said it, I hope Queiroz crashes and burns. I have serious doubts we'll qualify to the world cup this year, and it's about time. We lost a once in a lifetime opportunity to win a competition playing at home, but still, the same corrupt people stay in our federation, and the same has been coaches keep coming and going, with certain players having garanteed places, even when clearly out of form. Anyways. this is just to put into contrast that, while brasil has a squad of superstars that play as team, portugal as a team of superstars that play for themselves.

As you said Messi is the man on fire at the moment but this is why i rate Kaka above Ronaldo is that he is more consistant next year it will be someone else who's name is being mentioned as "the best" which happens every year but for me Kaka is always there or there abouts.

 

Kaka

 

Copa São Paulo de Juniores: 2000

Torneio Rio-São Paulo: 2001

Campeonato Paulista: 2002

 

Milan

Serie A: 2004

Italian Super Cup: 2004

UEFA Champions League: 2006–07

 

International

FIFA World Cup: 2002

CONCACAF Gold Cup

FIFA Confederations Cup: 2005

UEFA Super Cup: 2003, 2007

FIFA Club World Cup: 2007

 

Individual

Revista Placar Bola de Ouro: 2002

Campeonato Brasileiro Bola de Prata (best player by position): 2002

CONCACAF Gold Cup Best XI: 2003

Serie A Young Footballer of the Year: 2003

Serie A Foreign Footballer of the Year: 2004, 2006, 2007

Serie A Footballer of the Year: 2004,2007

UEFA Champions League Best Midfielder: 2005

UEFA Team of the Year: 2006, 2007

FIFPro World XI: 2006, 2007, 2008

UEFA Champions League Top Scorer: 2006–07

UEFA Champions League Best Forward: 2006–07

UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2007

FIFPro World Player of the Year: 2007

Ballon d'Or: 2007

FIFA Club World Cup Golden Ball: 2007

Toyota Award: 2007

FIFA World Player of the Year: 2007

Onze d'Or: 2007

IFFHS World‘s Best Playmaker: 2007

IAAF Latin Sportsman of the Year: 2007

Time 100: 2008

Maracanã Hall Of Fame: 2008

Samba d`or: 2008

 

 

Ronaldo

 

Club

 

Manchester United

Premier League: 2006–07, 2007–08

FA Cup: 2003–04

League Cup: 2005–06

FA Community Shield: 2007

UEFA Champions League: 2007–08

FIFA Club World Cup: 2008

 

Individual

UEFA Euro 2004 Team of the Tournament

FIFPro Special Young Player of the Year: 2004–05, 2005–06

Portuguese Footballer of the Year: 2006–07

UEFA Team of the Year: 2003–2004, 2006–07

FIFPro World XI: 2006–07, 2007–08

PFA Young Player of the Year: 2006–07

PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2006–07, 2007–08

PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2006–07, 2007–08

PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2005–06, 2006–07, 2007–08

FWA Footballer of the Year: 2006–07, 2007–08

Barclays Player of the Season: 2006–07, 2007–08

Barclays Player of the Month: November–December 2006, January 2008, March 2008

Barclays Golden Boot: 2007–08

Barclays Merit Award: 2007–08

European Golden Shoe: 2007–08

UEFA Club Forward of the Year: 2007–08

UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2007–08

FIFPro World Player of the Year: 2007–08

Ballon d'Or: 2008

FIFA World Player of the Year: 2008

Well, individually, seems pretty balanced, club and national, well, shows the difference between playing for brasil and playing for portugal, and playing for united and playing for milan. If you look at the dates of individual awards, I think you'll have to agree that there's a level of consistency to both of them. If you go by the fifa award, they've both been in the top 10 these past 3 years, and, dare i say, will be there again this year. The thing is, while ronaldo did an amazing season last year, I've not seen any player achieve that before, beeing so instrumental in a team's success. Messi is certainly doing it this year, and Barcelona appear to be an unstopable monster at the moment. However, my point of the age gap still stands. While Kaká is pretty close to his prime, and in 3-4 years he'll be slowing down, Ronaldo, in 3-4 years, could very well be at the top of his form. So that why I stick to my view that, all factors considered, between Kaká and Ronaldo, Ronaldo is a better player, for all he's done, what he's doing, and what he can still do.

Nevertheless, to show you that i'm not biased, I have no problem in saying that, if things keep progressing as they appear, Messi is gonna be above them all.

Very good Taxi .

 

Not seen enough of Kaka to make any sort of relative judgement in the debate....but that T-shirt makes me nauseous :sick01: .

 

Can't be doing with that god bothering stuff....by all means go to church and give them as much money as you like (though if he's looking for good causes I can think of a thousand or two more worthwhile), but don't inflict it on the rest of us. Pienaar's borderline...but I can just about forgive him.

 

Lewis "god in the car with me" Hamilton and all the others who thank the lord for their success piss me right off. If God exists there's shit-loads more crap in the world to deal with before he wastes time riding shotgun in a McLaren <_< .

At the age of eighteen, Kaká suffered a career-threatening and possibly paralysis-inducing spinal fracture as a result of a swimming pool accident, but remarkably made a full recovery. He attributes his recovery to God and has since tithed his income to his church.

Personal life and religion

A devout evangelical Christian, Kaká became engrossed in religion at twelve: "I learnt that it is faith that decides whether something will happen or not." He removed his jersey to reveal an "I Belong to Jesus" T-shirt and openly engaged in prayer moments after the final whistle of Brazil's 2002 World Cup, and Milan's 2004 Scudetto and 2007 Champions League triumphs. He also had the same phrase, along with "God Is Faithful," stitched onto the tongues of his boots. During the postmatch celebration following Brazil's 4–1 win over Argentina in the 2005 FIFA Confederations Cup final, he and several of his teammates wore T-shirts that read "Jesus Loves You" in various languages.

 

Kaká is a member of the organization Atletas de Cristo ("Athletes of Christ"). His goal celebration consists of him pointing to the sky as a gesture of thanks to God. Kaká's favourite music is gospel, and his favourite book is the Bible. Since November 2004, he has served as an Ambassador Against Hunger for the United Nations' World Food Programme, the youngest to do so at the time of his appointment.

 

Kaká was sworn in as an Italian citizen on February 12, 2007. He features prominently in Adidas advertising and also has a modeling contract with Armani, but the latter prevented him from appearing in a photo collection alongside his Milan teammates that was published by Dolce & Gabbana in early 2007.

 

He married his childhood sweetheart Caroline Celico on December 23, 2005 at the evangelical Reborn in Christ Church in São Paulo. Their first child, Luca Celico Leite, was born in São Paulo on June 10, 2008.

I get what you're saying, but remember, south americans tend to be very devount religious people, and given his history, and his recovery, it's easy to see where he get's his devotion. Points to him for staying true to himself and his faith.

Also, it appears that the deal is going through. He's hurt that Milan agreed to city's offer, and that might swing his will...

On the note of the 6+5 rule, Everton actually looks good if the 6+5 rule comes in, we already can have an all-English back 4, + Neville and Osman in midfield. Then you've got Vaughan and Anichebe who are both English and Baxter, Rodwell, Gosling and Kissock as prospects.

 

Numbers won't be our problem, paying their wages will be And like the Fellaini case, getting talented youngsters from countries like Belgium etc. where they need talented nationals to make up their 6, would mean we'd be priced out of the foreign market without new investment.

Nobody but the big sharks have to worry about this. Bosman is an asshole, saying this will affect players, when the only thing it does is exactely the opposite. Who defend italian players in italy, or english players in england? How good do you have to be to play for a premier league team, and how underpayed are you, compared to the foreign stars? This simply balances things out, meaning you give equal value to home and foreign players, instead of simply going abroad to buy cheap, and tempt them with big paychecks.

He was not played in his usual position last season he's a winger on paper but he was played in an advanced role much more of a second striker/advanced attacking midfielder hence why he has the freedom to score more goals but since the arrival of Berbatov he is being used in his natural postition where he is yet to produce the goods. To be as good as people say he is he has to have consistancy domestically and on the European stage and international level.

When Portugal played Brazil and got hammered it was touted as Kaka vs Ronaldo two of the best players at the time facing off and Kaka tore Portugal to pieces he was the best player on that pitch by a country mile and pulled all the strings where Ronaldo was woeful. I know thats just one game but it was a big game and yet again he failed to impress.

 

It takes more then one good season and the same old step over routine to make you a world class player we saw the same from Arjen Robben when at Chelsea in 2004 altough he did not score as many goals he was tearing the Prem apart in a similer way Ronaldo did last year he was absolute quality then his form dipped and Chelsea failed to see the same player again.

You dont get that with players such as Kaka Messi and many more they have a high consistancy of quality which im not seing from Ronaldo this term injury or no injury he still ha the same feet and team around him.

 

He is not a playboy the lad is a tit to be honest who has no class as a person or a player what so ever.

He's not a winger on paper. He's a winger since he was youth, it's what he's been trained to do, what he does best. Not having a proper striker last season meant he had the freedom to come into the area and score. This year, like you said, with berbatov, and tevez, and ronney and anderson, he has more support, but less room, so naturally he'll score less. To say that it was just one season, well, I seem to recall that in 2006/07 he was a pretty influential player as well, netting united the tittle, against mourinho's chelsea. He scored 20+ goals, and people we're saying at the time it was an impressive season fo him, and hard to top.

About that brasil-portugal game, did you actually saw it?? We got ripped by everyone, but actually, kaká didn't do all that much, Robinho and Luis Fabiano pretty much did the most damage. Not to defend Portugal, since i'm up to here with Queiroz, and i hope he leaves fast, but a friendly game, played after a 10 hour flight, against a side with the quality of brasil, it's bound to be a goal fest. And they scored practically everytime they got to out area, which goes to show how well we defended... But calling a friendly a big game, even if it's brasil and portugal, i mean...

And by the way, isn't the mark of a great, world class player, the trophies he's won? Kaká, champions league against liverpool, but internally, unable to prevent Inter from dominating the scene, and, this year, with a host of star players, even Juventus seem more threatning. Ronaldo has 2 premierships and a CL, mostly due to his influence on the team, and, granted, this year, he's clearly still bellow the highest form he produced last year, but united are still the team to beat, with far more solutions, meaning they don't depend on him so much.

Anyways, it's clear that we share different views on the matter. I understand city's move for kaká, they need creativity in their mid-field, and someone that has played with robinho before is a great adition, so I'd probably do the same as them, and it's more likely kaká accepts than ronaldo, that's for sure. And besides, at this time, if I had the means, there's only one player I'd do my best to buy, and that's messi.

Nooooooooo i agreed with everything then you went and spoilt it all haha to me he is very highly over-rated.

Have you seen any of his games lately? Ibrahimovic's problem is that he's inconsistent. He did amazing thing at Ajax, then, at Juventus, wasn't that special... But he's been getting more and more consistent, and, this year, he's clearly on fire. I don't think he did an outstanding season last year, although he did nice things. The fact he wasn't at the top 5 cerimony is testimony to that, but, like I said, AT THE MOMENT, I see the top 3 players as Ronaldo, Messi and Ibra. And note the fact that i mention ronaldo merely for what he did, mostly last year. This year, he's yet to show himself. If I go by this season alone, so far, i'd be inclined to put robinho or kaká in place of ronaldo, but I'm basing my oppinion on what we've seen of their potential.

And for the record, I doubt we've seen all there is to see from ronaldo and messi. Ibra, this is probably is top form ever... or not. Every other week he seems to surprise me...

I get your point on Gerrard mate thats not the case im making nor is it what happend in the world cup he still dives and waves card signals in ref's faces now and thats a side of his game that really lets him down which is a side you do not see from Kaka.

You have to remember that last season he did not play in his usual position for Utd he was more of an attacking midfielder playing just off Rooney's shoulder hence why he had more opportunities hence the goals and assists.

In terms of age Kaka made his début for Milan at the age of 20 and has been an outstanding player since so to compare ages is way of the mark as he has been an influential player for a top side since that age

he is a far more team orientated player who has better qualities then Ronaldo he can handle big games where Ronaldo simply does not.

He had a decent game in the final nothing amazing so to base him on that game again is way off the mark he is known not to turn up to big games i watch Utd week in week out as i do most EPL games and if he is marked by a half decent defender as he was against us he is not half the player he is when teams back off we had him in our pocket at times he goes missing and cant play his step over games.

 

Both are quick but for me Kaka is a better creative force then Ronaldo hence why he is known worldwide as being the best creative midfielder in the game.

Both can score goals so on that point i would say they are on par.

Kaka is a far more team orientated player who is less selfish with the ball.

He has a far better attitude then Ronaldo and his primadona antics.

He is older so as you said Ronaldo has a few years on him.

He is not a cheat who will dive at any opportunity he gets.

Kaka although every player has a bad day at times plays better and turns up for big games where Ronaldo does not.

 

It all comes down to the simple matter of opinion mate you have yours i have mine and neither will change i guess the only answer is time will tell Sporting

Ronaldo is a freakin playboy. He's top dog, getting the gold, getting the cash, getting the babes, so yeah, this summer, and in the beggining of this season, he's been a spoiled brat.

Kaká is a very religious guy, due to his past history, so it's natural that his views are completely different from ronaldo's, bot on a personal and private level, as well on a professional one.

Also, they play in very different positions, meaning they're not marked in the same way, and they have different roles in a team, kaká beeing a creative midfielder, it's normal he scores less, and has more assists. Ronaldo is an explosive player, he uses his speed and dribbles to get to the line and cross, or get to a shooting position and shoot, so he scores more, also, he gets fouled more, because he mainly dribles, yes. If you see that as beeing more selfish, then yes. But his job on the pitch is to provide the breaks, while kaká's is to supply the breakers...

As for regularity, it's just hard for me to understand how you qualify a winger that scores 40+ goals in one season as irregular...

Sure, it was an extraordinary season, but i've yet to see a similar one from anyone else, although messi is well on his way.

The only thing going for us on this one is that Moutinho actually WANTS to come to Everton .

He was reported to have publically pleaded to come here , which didn't go down too well with their fans .

 

From a Sporting forum :

"Sporting Lisbon president Filipe Soares Franco insists midfielder Joao Moutinho will not be leaving the club this summer.

 

Everton target Moutinho publicly pleaded to be allowed to move to Goodison Park after Sporting turned down a £12.5million bid from the Merseysiders.

 

Reports suggest that Everton have made a second offer for the highly-rated 21-year-old, but Soares Franco insists Moutinho is staying at the Estadio Jose Alvalade.

 

'I can guarantee one thing, he told Portuguese sports daily Record,

 

'Joao Moutinho was made at Sporting, he has all the affection of the entire club, we all like Joao Moutinho and want him to stay at the Alvalade.

 

'The file on Joao Moutinho is closed.'

 

Moutinho received a frosty reception when he turned out for his side's friendly against PSV Eindhoven.

 

However, Soares Franco remained diplomatic over the fans' reaction to the Portugal international.

 

'Each Sporting member has the right to judge the attitude and declarations of Moutinho how they like,' he added."

thats sounds like something from the summer after which joao said he snubbed us (maybe he says that because we were pretty piss poor in the league)

 

it would be nice to get a quality player. the more the merrier.

They are comments from the summer, in fact, but in all fairness, even though I'd like him to stay, he didn't snub Everton.

I've said this before here, when this was happening, his reasons were financial. Apparently, his family got in some sort of construction debt, and he asked for a move to be able to pay for it, i.e., make more money. That didn't sit well with the fans, or the club, since just prior to the Euro, Sporting offered him a new contract, which he accepted, making him the 2nd highest payed player in our team. So you can imagine that, after you've made the effort to keep him, and he accepts, gettiing a plea for departure not 3 months after, THAT was a snub... So, and in all fairness to Everton, I don't think he wanted a move to Everton, it was just that, through the relations between Zahavi and EFC, and given that Everton were the only ones that actually made an offer, he said what he said...

So I cannot tell you anything about his feelings for Everton, or if someone else comes along and pays, he'll go, but I'm leaning more to the later. What I CAN tell you is that he'll always do his best, no matter where he is, or how he feels. He's a true professional. He must have been dissapointed to have stayed, but he clearly doesn't show it on the pitch, he gives it all.

Its not an argument Sporting its my opinion to start off with and to say it has no merit basically is saying your opinion of who is better is right and mine is wrong you have confused the two things.

Fair enough, I guess. Although to me, it's not an argument anyways, just a debate of ideas

Not every player in this League dives alot of our league's players do have honour in that department unlike Ronaldo Gerrard and Drogba who are probably the main three culprits for cheating and diving in English Football im sure every player has dived at some point in there career but not as often as they do and to be honest i would say Ronaldo is the worse of the three mentioned.

Well, in all fairness, you should allow that a lot of the gripe about ronaldo is due to what happened at Euro game, where Ronney got sent off. Most of the bad mouthing he and Carvalho got from that, and a lot of it from Gerrard shows how much of an hypocrit he is, when he does the same or even worse. Remember, players that are more creative tend to be fouled a lot more, so it's also them that are more on the spotlight when people think they go down to easily. I don't like it, most fans don't like it, but it's just another part of how bad the game has gotten, in a chivalrous point of view. The days of gentlemen footballers are long gone. And my point on Gerrard beeing worse isn't that he dives more or less, cuz I have no idea, i don't keep a running tally on the numbers, BUT all his vaunted higher moral ground, his schpeel against Ronaldo and others, his claims of innocence, when he's just as bad, make him, like I said, a hypocritical A-hole...

You already state that his performances in the National team where average which is true and it doesnt come down to the matter of having so many stars in that team he plays for United one of if not the best team in the world if anything he should stand out from the crowd as he's touted as the best player in the world so that point is void.

It's not the number of stars, it's their attitude. In a team, you work as a team, you practice as a team, and you play as a team, but our National Squad didn't do that, because every damned idiot out there was trying to flash his goods. No team play at all!! We had one of the best sides last year, and their performance was lackluster, they didn't have their minds on the game, every single one of them, Quaresma, Simão, Ronaldo, Moutinho, Meireles, Veloso, etc. was trying to shine. Get the spot light, earn that mega-deal... Can't say I can blame them much, when the idiot coach did the same thing and dropped his pants for the russian petro-dollars...

Spain, on the other hand, which were pretty much the underdogs for the Euro, ended up playing good, quality football, as a team should, and won it fair and square. I'm not saying they don't have talent, they clearly do, but given their past, and the qualification run, it was indeed unexpected.

He may have scored 8 goals in the CL but that doesnt mean he played well dont forget he has a top class team around him and a system which in effect gives him freedom and as many oppurtunites in front of goal as most strikers do plus he's well known in this country for fading away and going missing in most big games.

He had a lot of freedom last year, true, and that allowed for the amazing season he had. But remember, he's not a striker, he's a winger. Given how united played last season, he had his fair chances at goal, true, but it takes quality to make the best of them. As for fading in the big games, I don't see it, and the CL final is a clear case of that.

No one is denying he's world class which i already have said he is but my OPINION is that if i had a choice i would pick Kaka over Ronaldo anyday. Im not sure its just a case that he's a fellow countrymen of yours so you have a strong likeing to him but the fact is if he is as good as those two he has to show he can carry on playing the way he did last season which is yet to be seen.

 

Taxi bugger off you git

Well, let me tell you, not everyone here is a ronaldo fan. benfica fans aren't that thrilled of him, mostly cuz of this:

This was ronaldo's answer to the benfica fans that were booing him when he was beeing subbed at a game in their stadium. Shows he still has Sporting in his heart

So yeah, i like him, but it's not just a case of bias. You point to this season, and I agree, ronaldo has yet to show the same form he did, but a few remarks on that:

1st, it's nigh impossible for him to do it again, mainly he has less freedom now, and united are not so dependent on him up front;

2nd, he was injured during the season, had surgery has soon as the season stopped, and missed the pre-season and the season start too;

3rd, that whole madrid thing, can't be good for him in the locker room;

4th, he has been clearly thinking waaay to much on the bloody awards lately, the balor d'or and all that shite.

So yeah, you haven't seen the ronaldo from last year, but he's 23, to Kaká's 26. Players usually peak (or peaked) at around 27, which is when they have just the right mix of experience and youth to be at their prime. Maybe that'll change, I don't know, but I do know that, not only is ronaldo a winger, and kaká a midfielder, he's 3 years younger, meaning, all things beeing equal, he'll play 3 more seasons.

your turn

They are two totally different players but if i had to have one in my team i'd take Kaka over Ronaldo hands down. Although Ronaldo is a great player he does not have the same qualities as Kaka. If you watch most of Uniteds big games especially in Europe he is far from world class he has yet to produce his league form on the big stage.

He is also a tart that drops faster then a prostitutes knickers for me Kaka and especially Messi are a step up.

So in Europe last year, when he was the champions League Top Scorer, with 8 goals, he was far from world class?

The fact that he had a surgery, missed the pre-season, and the start of this season, and yet, already is united's top goalscorer with 8 goals, he's far from world class?

And calling him a diver, well... he does fake a lot, but Ronaldo is an amateur when compared with Gerrard. Everyone dives. That's the plain truth.

Kaká is wonderful player, i won't deny it, as is Pato, and Pato is only 19, but, to me, he's clearly bellow the top 3 players in the world at the moment, Ronaldo, Messi and Ibrahimovic. Messi is having a dream season, much like Ronaldo had last year, let's see if he can keep it up for the rest of it. Ibra is also doing amazing things, and I can't wait for the United-Inter showdown. Ronaldo is clearly bellow par, yet he's still influential. Scored 8 goals already, when he plays less on the box then he did last year, he scored twice against chelsky, but both were dissalowed.

Now, if you tell me that his performance in Portugal's national team has been dissapointing, now there, I'd agree. Too many F*KING stars on that team, plus, he had always 2 or 3 opponents on him the whole Euro, so... But yeah, I expected more too. Aside from that, your arguments don't have merit...

benfica are a bunch of A-holes. They payed through the nose for this guy, which is, behind Di Maria, their best striker (imo), and now they've loaned him because he doesn't really fit into the spanish speaking team quiqo flores is building... a sort of real madrid B (hell, not even that, more like E or F).

He's a powerful striker, with good ball control, a sort of Yak, you might say... I wish him luck, since he clearly deserves it.

Although it's his own fault, accepting benfica's offer...

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The policy of SCP is to keep all its main players for this season, including JM. And about its youth is to bring them to the first squad (professionals) first.

 

Good luck with Liverpool.

 

Cheers.

Yeah. Although, if you look at it, if you don't sell players, the youngsters are gonna get locked out of 1st team football. Look at Adrien and Pereirinha. Why the F*CK did we keep Tiui and loaned Celestino, or sold Varela? And next year, if Veloso and Moutinho stay again, you're gonna have players like Diogo Rosado to add to the bench warmers list. These are youngsters that we need to let grow, in terms of their football, and you're blocking that. So unless you sell, you're gonna be swamped with loans, and then mutual rescisions, and you're gonna loose talent. We already lost a striker that might have prevented the Tiuis and Purovics from ever setting foot on Alvalade, João Paiva, we let go of Varela, Boa Morte, and now, we risk a lot more...

You have no room at the moment for Diogo Carriço, Adrien Silva, Bruno Pereirinha, and Diogo Rosado. We need to sort this out.

You seem to have a lot of talented up and comers, and usually theyre the ones who will come for loan deals (with option to buy), but if we were in the market for Moutinho or Veloso, they just wouldn't go for loans would they?

 

Which is why unless Bk and Dm have secured some money that they wanted to keep under wraps, we won't be going for those type of players. Moutinho would add so much to our side and being so young, he could be our fabregas, but the odds of landing him on loan are very steep, and even to buy him, we'd need a very good offer.

 

Then if we even mention these players as potential targets, the barcodes will just leap in and take em away.

Odds of getting a loan are indeed nigh impossible. It would be easier to get loans on these youngsters I mentioned. But anything I say at the moment cannot be taken for granted, as it's possible that, coming July, a new President could be elected, with a different agenda. I doubt much we'll sell talent the way we did until the season before last, but I can't really say. Not many clubs currently have the ability to fork 20 to 30 million Euros for a player, so there might be policy changes. I, for one, would love to see players hang around longer, but we're still a very effective formation ground, and if we stiffle that, we push out players that have no way to progress. We need to find a proper balance between continuity and rejuvenation...

Not going to happen imo. will cost too much, all clubs will be adding an extra couple of million due to the kaka deal i predict, "if city are paying that much for one player then we can add 1, 2 mill extra on just so we have more money to buy players and try keep up" thats what i think clubs will think now.

Well, Sporting was always pretty direct regarding the ammount for Moutinho, his release clause, i.e. , 25 million euros. So even if we want more, that's all you really need

Pretty much all our players have release clauses, which we try to keep high, to maximize the return we get from a player, especially now that we're not forced into selling a player every year. That might change, however, but more is something we cannot force you to pay. I think pretty much all clubs in Portugal work with that policy, of a release clause in the contract.

This season he has been nothing compared to last season.

If you look at messi atm, he's just unstoppable!

Kaka has been the engine of ac milan for years now,

I think they are both better than ronaldo

well, last season was nothing short of miraculous... He's already scored 11 or so goals, and he had surgery during the off-season and came in late into form, not to mention that whole real bussiness...

Anyways, messi is the wonder boy so far, this season, but kaká beeing above Ronaldo, I don't think so...