Matt

you may be right Marco, cant even open a new thread at the moment

that was my understanding. Unless we finish 5th, which we cant do, weve got no chance.

Liverpool lost another home game to Fulham, that help? If you kids want to keep squabbling about Rooney vs Messi / La Liga vs EPL then please open a new thread. I can copy the previous posts into it (i think) if you want or you can just agree to disagree...

small boom for a small (if any) improvement?

Ex-England manager McClaren managed Twente and also enjoyed Queens day im sure.... Hes also incompetent like Hodgson: (and once more the thread is on track )

indeed it was was supposed to go to Amsterdam for Queens day

spot on Si

fair enough, will have to agree to disagree. Im a bit too young to remember Maradona at his best, only seen the highlights of his career which was enough. Messi is better in my opinion but maybe thats only because ive seen more of him.

ive been ill the last 3 days - missed 2 flights and a massive party because of it Drinking because the drugs dont work, though they didnt make it worse and im not sure whos face i'll see again......

not saying it invalidates, more massively counts against. No player can be a great and a cheat in my eyes.

can i come back to this when im not drunk? (if i remember.....) quite like Niks argument style but im struggling to read....

i'll agree with most of that except the following: 1/ Maradona was a dirty cheat and as such cannot be considered 'great' 2/ Rooney will get many mixed opinions on Everton forums. Some see him as a saviour, some see him as a rat. Its a thread in itself...

it gives a good indication because hes a defender and a defenders points come from clean sheets - that may not be down to him but he is part of the defensive unit that earns the points. As for meaningless points because a player might be useless for 89 mins i agree, look at Yak for example. But, it takes a second to score a goal and goals win games. If he wins a game after standing around for 89 mins but nods a goal in, does that make him meaningless? I dont get to see him play every week but i see the points he gets me each week, so based on that (no matter how flimsy an argument) ive got to say hes a decent player.... edit: im a little drunk after a bottle of white wine and a few G+Ts, logic may be a little flawed.....

i completely agree with you on Rooney, in this summation. Disagree with Messi being overrated. No chance. Despite this, he is still 1 player and its still 11 players that make a team. Messi in Tranmere wouldnt be anything, just someone who shines in an average team. Messi is the best because he is the best of the best whilst playing with the best of the best....

so its worth close to fuck all more than we were getting then?

but its a good indication as to how well he has done over the season. Otherwise the game wouldnt work

was exaggerating to catch up with his escalating argument.... Of course hes humble, the man is a god

Messi is the greatest player to have graced this planet. If hes saying others are better, then the brains are in his feet rather than his head. Ive seen him so many times now, live and on TV..... Hes the greatest without doubt.

i'll take 3 points ahead with superior goal difference.....

any idea why Maggie was subbed?

why is he the 3rd highest scoring player in the fantasy football league then?

i heard 30m over 3 years but cant find confirmation anywhere. Wouldve thought Elstone would be screaming from the roof tops about hows its a record breading deal

Dave knows all. How dare you mock or doubt his teachings!

thats all the England manager does. No reason he cant oversee a mediocre mid-table table that are safe already at the same time...

Ukraine, Sweden, France? Think he would do well against them until Rooney ban is done