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You know what , first time I ever read this board there was a thread. ( can 't remember which one) where someone said that and was called a racist . It was clearly tongue in cheek like but when I wrote it that thread crossed my mind !! : lol:

No chance. That ms just because you want him out and Stones in.

No, we could have got knocked out in the qualifiers and finished. 7th next season. It 's happened before you know :/ Martinez has Moyes team has brought a breagh of fresh air in and freshened things up. Lets just see where we go from here before we start hailing the messiah

He just controls play so well, his positional play is phenomenal, always seems to be in the right place at the right time, his awareness of what going on sround him is brilliant. Massively underated.

Exactly.

It's one season. Lets see in 5 years if we 're any different eh because I guarantee you under this board we wont. It wont matter if we have our lord managing us, we can't go forward because we don't have the financial clout to allow it

What you're missing here is this progression has been going on for ten years now, yes TEN years and we 'te still no further on than we were when we said we has started progression alll those years ago. That is why I said we were treading water. If you think thats negative then that's your call but I call it realism. One thing you need to learn mate if you're gonna follow us for another 40 years is to get real. Lets not polish a piece of shit and call it wood eh. A spade is a spade. We've been in this situation (5th to 7th) for over ten years. If you see that as progress, I seriously doubt you have the hang of it.

Makes you wonder why Besic really but 4 is better than 3 I suppose. Nice to see him have a belting season and force his way through sgain. He controls play fantastically, can pick a pass and never gives it away and also likes a tackle

Mate Jagielka is not injury prone. Whether anyone on here likes him or not, one thing he isn 't is made of glass.

Hope he stays injury free and has a good season.

No problem at all Steve. Lets just forget about it eh mate.

Jagielka is not an injury risk. He had an injury last season but before that he was virtually an ever present .

Totally agree, baines is not and never will be a central midfielder. If Martinez puts him there and proves me wrong then I'll be the first to hold my hands up but he is just not the type of player who could switch to central midfield.

No I wasn't mate. Thank you for pointing that out. It couldn't of been any further from what I was saying to be honest.

I don't doubt for a single second there are others here who started watching Everton before I was born, and stating that wouldn't put me to shame just the same as me not putting someone born in the 90s to shame. I don't take exception to anyone having a different opinion or disagreeing with me I do take offence to someone jumping in really aggressively accusing me of being an idiot or stupid (i think the first comment was a 5 year old) when they know fuck all about me and fuck all about what it 's like to support this club! Anyway I don't want to turn this into a drama, I've said my piece and I would prefer to leave it at that.

No, I never said ghat. I would just rather us get the targets we have identified early and if that means paying a bit extra then so be it.

Then I stand corrected and Patto I apologise. But still I can't see for the sake of 350k Martinez would put up with not having a player in his side for the whole month of the start of the season missing vital games. If he did last season should learn him thAt lesson

And unless you have seen a bank statement yourself you have no idea what's there either do you and looking at the thing from the outside we 're as per usual being uber prudent which points to me that the account isn 't exactly healthy. Again just speculation but that's what it looks like to me. If paying an extra few million would have all our targets in and all on the pitch at the start of ghe season with a pre season to gel then that's money well spent as far as I'm concerned.

Maybe I am? But I would have thought if he signed a 5 year deal it would be 5 year deal whether it was now or the middle of December. 5 years (or however many) is 5 years. Unless all players contracts run out on a specific date?

Because we didn't have a striker of sorts.

He glides across the pitch doesn't he. 5 million we paid for him , what an absolute steal. As I said, Jags is his captain and he has sway in the dressing room and that alone gives him a starting berth. Stones will get his chance, he's perfect for Martinez style of play of that I have no doubt.

I don't think there is any money in the bank Patto mate, I think that's the problem.

He's his captain though so he's not going to is he. I think Jagielka has done enough over the past few seasons to warrant a starting place at the beginning of the season but if he's garbage and not doing it, captain or not he should be dropped. I agree he wasn't in the best form of his life before he got injured and I think that has to do with he isn't comfortable with the ball at his feet but we do seem a lot more organised when he's in the team. That being said, I absolutely hate the way we pass it about like we do at the back my heart is in my mouth constantly with it. I also think teams will be much more tuned to how we play this season and we wont get away with it as much as we have. You could see it towards the end of last season, teams were pressing us really high up the pitch, harrying us and not letting us settle on the ball.