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we're still going into debt even though we don't spend any of the tv money and prize money for finished in decent prem positions and the fact our wage bill isn't that high i would think? not in the know about all the club finances obviously so my knowledge is very basic and generalised i guess but it is worrying if we are spending nothing and still going further into debt

Our wage bill has increased drastically over the last few years. This is where the money has been going.

True, but at clubs like Sunderland for example, they have a rich owner who is better able to take that debt on. We, on the other hand, have owners that can't shoulder that debt.

Sunderland is sell to buy just like us. They may well have spent £18m this window. But they have sold £18m worth of players. There in the same boat. And their owner has said this is the last time he's willing to take on any more debt levels.

The thing is though Jamie we're penny pinching but still going into more and more debt with every passing year, that is a very worrying scenario.

Not as much as other though. Almost every club is going into further debt. And almost every club has a sell to buy policy in place. It's just that every other club is now shifting the dead weight in their squads. We don't have much dead weight in our team so don't have the same level of squad turn around that others do.

Thats the whole point of the problem Jamie, the vast majority of Premiership clubs manage to do both, we are supposed to be an established big club with top four ambitions yet the financial state of the club is more becoming of a side fresh out of the Championship

Well you just have to deal with it. We can all long for money to come in but in my eyes about 75% of the new owners coming in at the moment are more trouble than they're worth. People say alot of Lerner, for example, being a good example of how a new owner can work out. In the past four years he's put £80m debt onto the club and takes £5m management fee's from the club. United's and Liverpool's problems with the owners putting crippiling debts onto their clubs is well documented. Pompey have screwed up, Leeds screwed up, Hull almost screwed up. The guy mooted to buy Blackburn has just been announced as actually bankrupt. Sunderland and Brum both have new owners but who knows what lies around the corner for them?

The "vast majority" as you say, are spending money, which I don't think is entirely true, the spending in the Prem is down £200m over the last few season and if it wasn't for City it would be drastically less. Alot of people are saying about how Sunderland have spent highly this summer, and it's true that they have invested £18m on new players, but they have also sold £18m worth of players. Arsenal's net spend is only £4m but they have taken 20 players off their pay bill this summer. Brum have invested but have also had to shift 14 players off their books. Fulham was sell to buy. Liverpool was sell to buy. Spurs have been very thrifty considering the revenue boost they will recieve this year.

I'll accept what is going on with the club as we are ensuring that we are living within our means. More clubs will start hitting much harder times soon and people shouldn't think that the world is full of generous arabs willing to plow untold fortunes into a club. City are the exception. Not the rule.

By the way, this is not an apology for BK. I'm not an aplogist before I get labelled it by some. I'm just trying to look at the bigger picture here and take in the facts and figures with other clubs.

Thats my view completely.

 

You know that football grounds can be crammed in and if the guy infront jumps around violently after them scoring and squashes the baby, or knocks it out of the sling. Serious injury or fatality. So IMO the stewards did the right thing, if they were a little rude, sorry but the health of the child was at risk .

 

A child that age should have been in bed by 6.30/7.00 so by the time the game finishes, it'd be 10.00? way too late for a youngster of that age and extremely irresponsible of the parent. Neglect by the definition of the courts

 

People would do anything to get in the paper <_<

Perhaps selling their story to the paper will help them pay for a baby sitter next time

Considering West Ham had a £6m bid turned down for Yak I don't see how they can state that "£5m would have got them Yakubu". Lazy journalism. As per usual. Their interest in Yak ended a long time ago.

If Huddersfield had, for example, scored a late winner, their fans would have gone mental. This could have caused a risk to the baby. Both with physical contact and also because of noise. Moving them to the safer area makes full sense to me. It's not like she was booted out the ground or anything.

IMO she shouldn't be taking a 4-month old child to a night game, especially an away night game. Just doesn't seem right to me.

Not really sure to make of that one. I am inclined to side with our stewards. Taking a four month old baby into a crowded stand for a night game is hardly great parenting is it?

I wondered what he'd been doing since Genesis. Didn't realise he was such a good driver.... oh wait.

The club can never win. If we lost Arteta or Rodwell or Cahill or Baines the club would have been slated by the fans. We do this yet most are still unhappy.

It's signing or securing the squad we have. For better or worse we are not running the club into the ground with debt and over spending on the faint hope of a champions league spot. When the big money men get bored you'll see that our thriftiness hasn't been such a bad thing.

It's ludicrous. I read one blog about this where Lokomotiv fans starting writing in to defend it saying, "It wasn't racist, he had a terrible season which is why we are happy he has gone". To which one WBA fan asked "Well why have you got a picture of banana on the banner?". To which they stopped responding!

...and a hermaphrodite by the sound of it !

He's all sorts!

One thing that hasn't really been mentioned is that the paperwork required to give Arteta British Citizenship would take around nine months to go through. Another reason why is just doesn't make sense.

shut up with your logic it's more fun to say 'arry is a dodgy cunt

I'm not debating the cuntishness of 'Arry. He's a prick of the highest order.

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Hi there everybody.. yes i do speak Turkish and i am a Fenerbahce fun from Istanbul..

We are building a new squad and have transferred strong, challenging players mostly.

 

I believe Yobo will do a lot at Istanbul coz we really need a fast defence player.

Just to warn you. He is fast in body, but slow in his mind. Plus he can't tie his shoe laces properly and sometimes kneels down during an attack to recitfy the problem, like he did against Man United and cost us a goal

surely they wouldnt take a ten million loss for a last minute sale though? keep him around as a squad player til they can get rid in january..he isn't gonna cost shed loads in wages is he? maybe youre right though but it just seems a hellishly large drop in a fee that's all

Well he was on a salary close to £5m a year. So there's that to think about. Plus having a player who just played in the World Cup final just sat around doing nothing for a year could cause morale problems. If a team can afford to spend £80m on one player, taking a £10m loss isn't really such a big deal. Plus the player cost Real £10m, they sold him for £8m. Not really a terrible loss in the grander scheme of things, especially for a team like Real.

summat aint right...someone mentioned it before about bayern going to pay 18m which puts a lot of people off im sure then spurs can have him for 8m? something aint right at all...and how the fuck have they signed him a day late? might aswell not have a fuckin deadline! just pot some clubs together and say right you lot have to do deals by such a time the rest of you can do what the fuck you want and the FA will take it up the arse for you..sick of spurs and sick of redknapp

It's the Premier League not the FA that verify the deal by the way. The FA are guilty of many things but this is not them, for a change.

summat aint right...someone mentioned it before about bayern going to pay 18m which puts a lot of people off im sure then spurs can have him for 8m? something aint right at all...and how the fuck have they signed him a day late? might aswell not have a fuckin deadline! just pot some clubs together and say right you lot have to do deals by such a time the rest of you can do what the fuck you want and the FA will take it up the arse for you..sick of spurs and sick of redknapp

Bayern, or whichever team it was, did agree a fee of £18m for him last week. The player agreed terms but the signing hinged on Bayern selling another player in order to raise the funds. This sale fell through so the whole deal fell through. Real had no plans to keep him in the team and he wouldn't make the 25 so they needed to get rid, nobody came in for him so the price kept dropping. That's why the fee was so small.

It's still wrong though the Premier League verified the deal after the window closed. Not surprising though.

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/articles/van-der-vaart-deal-confirmed-010910.html?

What a suprise.

They'll get the special dispensation.

sadly will be true. I can see Spurs being allowed to register VdV but West Ham not being allowed to register Jacobson. The Premier League and FA clearly have certain favourite clubs. Spurs are one of them.

I hope they stick to the damn rules.

1- Chelsea

2- City

3- United

4- Arsenal

5- Liverpool

6- Everton

7- Spurs

8- Villa

9- Birmingham

10- Newcastle

11- Sunderland

12- Blackburn

13- Stoke

14- Fulham

15- Bolton

16- Wolves

17- West Ham

18- Wigan

19- West Brom

20- Blackpool

Jeffers left us in 2001 and has scored 16 league goals since then. That's why he's available on a free. Hilarious.

where does it say about him burning all bridges with moyes and that?

There is a nigerian journo who was speaking with Yobo all day about this and said that he'd burned his bridges with Moyes and that if he can't sort a move out then he could be in trouble. Something to that effect. I'll try and find a link.

I'm not debating that, but you mentioned Fellaini like we went and spunked £15million on transfer deadline when in reality we spent nowhere near that amount.

Fair enough.