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See my previous post, have you tried using the internet find evidence to back up your claims?

Pass completion rate of 86% last season and 90% this season.

This. He is not a creative player, his job is to get it and give it to someone who can do something with it.

Nope, you said you have watched him carefully and that he has been dragged out of position on many occasions, so name 5 times it happened. By the way according to the premier league he had no errors that led to goals last season, so good luck with that.

Name 5.

Sorry should be Kante. Changed now.

Gana is a defensive midfielder, he has more tackles than practically any one else in the league (last season), many interceptions (8th highest). His attacking is poor as you would expect from a defensive midfielder - 1 Assist, 1 through ball, 2 big chances created. He is a defensive midfielder.

Ok, just so I get this right, you are saying that Kante is a better goal scorer / finisher than Gana despite the fact that in Gana's first season for us and the season that Kante won the title with Leicester they both had the same number of shots and same accuracy. I would say Keane, Pickford, Rooney have proved themselves so far Klaassen, Sandro need time to adapt and we know Siggy's qualities. Coco is shit.

I haven't played them as wingers, more as central midfielders with Davies getting forward as a box to box players. The width comes from Holgate and Baines. I agree we have players who can use width better like Lookman and Siggy and I would swap Gana or Morgan for Siggy in games where we are not going to be under the kosh. Problem is we still don't know what are best side or formation is!

He and Gana have the same shot accuracy and the same number of shots. Kante and Gana had a shot accuracy of 24%, Harry Kane they are not. You have taken splitting hairs to stratospheric levels. A bit of research will help prove your points.

He was a defensive midfielder, as Leicester played mostly on the counter one his jobs was to press the ball high up the pitch which put him in the opposition half. Despite that the season Leicester won the league he had a massive 5 shots on target in the whole season resulting in 1 goal, and a mighty 4 assists.

I'm not saying you are slagging him off, I know you are not doing that. Gana is a defensive midfielder, Klaassen is best played behind a front man or two, between defenders and midfielders where he will have time to use his brain and technique.

Pickford Holgate Keane Williams Baines Davies Schniederlin Gana Klaassen DCL Sandro

This. Sandro and DCL could make a very effective strike force.

We are 4 games into the season, maybe you want to give him and some of the others time to adapt to life in a new league. His technique is excellent.

You do know that Gana is defensive midfielder don't you? His main attributes are reading the game, making tackles, intercepting the ball and pressing, all things he does very well. He is not renowned for scoring goals. You do know that Kante is defensive midfielder don't you? His main attributes are reading the game, making tackles, intercepting the ball and pressing, all things he does incredibly well. He is not renowned for scoring goals.

Seriously I do wonder about some of the posters on this site, we have a tough start and then we crave Stoke players, really Stoke?! FFS Neither of those two are anywhere near the level of Gana or Morgan. Last season people were raving that Gana was almost as good as Kante, and that Morgan was a Rolls Royce player. They still are that good, we are just having a tough start, we will get better I agree we don't have to play both together, unless we can find a system that really works, but to say they are not good players is ridiculous.

This. Wingers are always inconsistent, especially young ones, he needs a run of games in the side, especially now the opposition will be a bit easier after Utd.

Given the season before we were the 15th worst defense, then under Koeman and with Williams playing we were the 5th best I am saying we made progress and had a very good defense. You don't achieve that if the main center back (Williams) did not have a good season. You seem to think he had a poor season last year, given he played more games than any other center back at the club, what do you attribute our defensive improvement to? Remember our other defenders were an out of form Jags and and Mori. As I have said before I think he is a solid 7/10 player not a great defender.

Game of opinions. We conceded 55 goals the season before Williams and Koeman arrived, conceded 44 the next season, 5th best in the league that year. I don't think its coincidence.

Yes, solid and reliable the vast majority of the games. A solid 7/10 player most weeks.

Because at least he has shown that he can defend unlike bambi on ice. I agree that Williams has not been as good as he was last season so far.

His tactics were 2 holding midfielders, with Klaassen, Rooney and Sigi as an attacking 3 and making runs behind Sandro. They played a diamond in midfield and had more men and options in midfield as our top 4 got isolated from Morgana and Gana, who themselves got overwhelmed. Conceding a fluky goal did not help. He changed it at half time.

I think they are, if we settle down into new tactics quickly enough. They are very brittle.

Arsenal are catchable.