Comparing Everton's and Crystal Palace's redesigned crests

[phelpsp94]

Recently started to give blogging a go. This is my first post, compares Everton's badge change with with Crystal Palaces's - why they were changed, history of each and why the fans reacted so differently. I hope you enjoy reading it.

 

http://footballheritage.wordpress.com/2013/06/16/comparing-the-redesigned-crests-of-everton-and-crystal-palace/

 

[Avinalaff]

I think if you are to compare the 2, you need to look more at the history of each.

 

The Crystal Palace Phoenix only came about after Malcolm Allison rebranded their own badge, to represent rising from the ashes of the palace that was burnt down in 1936.

 

Before this, their badge had been just about the palace itself, and an even bolder change than ours took place in 1972, which I think is where your comparisons should perhaps lie.

 

 

 

 

However, gradually, their emphasis has been drawn much closer to the Phoenix, which was changed to the more 'aggressive' Eagle by their chairman at the time, Ron Noades and they even scrapped the palace altogether at one point, which was a bit bemusing.

 

 

The rest I think you have.

 

As for our badge, our nil satis nisi optimum motto only started in 1938, and was dropped for long periods of time throughout.

 

I have an article on my site where I've reconstructed the badges for a better image, so no need to rewrite what is already written in that respect

. http://loveevertonforum.com/page/new_everton_crest

 

You can read about our crests history there too.

 

As for our own changes, I'm not as upset about it as many others, but it's not really a badge I would have designed myself.

 

Everton have never actually played in Everton, and Goodison is actually in Walton. Anfield was further away again. It strikes me that they could have used the Liverbirds that sat upon the gates of Walton Zoo, as a more appropriate image, but the rest is history regarding those. The Prince Ruperts tower was actually a local eyesore to the Everton residents, who wanted it removed according to the history books.

 

Prince Rupert was a German too, who has his own interesting history, amongst which was the slaughter of most of Bolton during the civil war. For me, I'd be happy for the tower to be removed altogether from our badge, but then I've done a little research on it, which most won't have done.

 

However, the change has been made, and the timing of it was unfortunate, as had we not lost Moyes, and qualified for Europe, it might not have caught so many at a bad time. I do think it needs to be revcised though, but it should in my opinion be revised to suit our clubs history, and indeed our future a little closer.

[phelpsp94]

From what I researched, it seemed that the bird was an eagle rather than a phoenix, and that Malcolm Allison took inspiration from Benfica's crest.

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/facelift-for-crystal-palaces-benfica-eagle-7593041.html

 

I felt I couldn't really compare the historical rebrandings with recent ones, because it's very hard to know what the fan reaction was at the time.

 

Whilst the Latin motto was first introduced to the crest in 1938, I think the motto has existed since the club's formation.

http://myevertonnews.com/what-ever-happened-to-nil-satis-nisi-optimum/

 

Thanks for the information about Prince Rupert - it sounds interesting, I'll take a look at that!

[Avinalaff]

From what I researched, it seemed that the bird was an eagle rather than a phoenix, and that Malcolm Allison took inspiration from Benfica's crest.

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/facelift-for-crystal-palaces-benfica-eagle-7593041.html

 

I felt I couldn't really compare the historical rebrandings with recent ones, because it's very hard to know what the fan reaction was at the time.

 

Whilst the Latin motto was first introduced to the crest in 1938, I think the motto has existed since the club's formation.

http://myevertonnews.com/what-ever-happened-to-nil-satis-nisi-optimum/

 

Thanks for the information about Prince Rupert - it sounds interesting, I'll take a look at that!

 

There is some further info here: http://www.holmesdale.net/page.php?id=82&story=5194

[Avinalaff]

Incidentally, Prince Ruperts tower has absolutely no connection with Prince Rupert, other than the fact that he stayed in the village a hundred years or so earlier during the civil war, long before the bridewell was built in 1787. Rupert actually died in 1682. It kind of loses all romance once you realise that.

[MikeO]

Incidentally, Prince Ruperts tower has absolutely no connection with Prince Rupert, other than the fact that he stayed in the village a hundred years or so earlier during the civil war, long before the bridewell was built in 1787. Rupert actually died in 1682. It kind of loses all romance once you realise that.

 

My local church is called St Mary's (named after some woman who allegedly gave birth to someone a couple of thousand years back, I forget the detail).

 

I don't think the person a building's named after necessarily has to have laid the foundation stone to make it a decent story .

[Louis]

Saint Dominic died in 1221 and most people aren't even aware where St. Domingos F.C. got their name from (indirectly).

[Avinalaff]

It's not my opinion. Just a little history. As for saints, I don't suppose there are too many modern day ones, Simon Templar aside.

[pete0]

Saint Dominic died in 1221 and most people aren't even aware where St. Domingos F.C. got their name from (indirectly).

I always assumed it was because Domingo means Sunday (in Spanish).

[Avinalaff]

[Dalziel Kane]

Domenica. Sorry that's Italian. Mi dispiace

 

This should put things into some kind of order simple enough.

 

http://www.liverpoolwiki.org/History_of_Everton_FC

 

This was initially about club insignia designs and seems to have deviated to something else but we'll let it rest.

[troy8]

It's simple - their's is fantastic; ours is shit.

 

EDIT: Meant to say as well - End of.

Edited June 24, 2013 by TC.