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Straight from the horses mouth.

 

'I've been asked to play the same role that I did at Standard. Distribute the ball, break up play and any goals are an extra. I'm definitely a defensive midfielder.'

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he's a bit of both, the fact he looks to get the ball off the defense kind of makes him a more defensive player but to cover the ground he did today and play so well really shows signs that the money was wisely spent, keep it up fellani..

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was quality but he looks so tired in the last 10 and doesnt get brought off? i know we needed to go for it but what use is he dead on his feet? also when hes on a yellow could go in with a tired tackle

 

I didnt think he looked anymore tired than any of the other players and even if he was

we didnt have anybody on the bench to replace him!

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:huh:

 

You still think he's looking bad?

 

I am afraid so. I just don't see it with him, he is not athletic enough to play a box to box position and tires far too easily.

He is quite good at passing but he has no power in his shots. The one thing I do like is he wins a lot of headers but that is his only trait I like.

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I am afraid so. I just don't see it with him, he is not athletic enough to play a box to box position and tires far too easily.

He is quite good at passing but he has no power in his shots. The one thing I do like is he wins a lot of headers but that is his only trait I like.

 

 

I don't think he's near looking worth his price tag, and he probably never will (not his fault) but I do think he's looking stronger with every game he plays, and his body bulks up with age I really think he could be a big player fo us. No power in his shots? He almost knocked a Villa player over yesterday with a shot! How he managed to hit the bar with that header in the second half yesterday I'll never know :(

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I don't think he's near looking worth his price tag, and he probably never will (not his fault) but I do think he's looking stronger with every game he plays, and his body bulks up with age I really think he could be a big player fo us. No power in his shots? He almost knocked a Villa player over yesterday with a shot! How he managed to hit the bar with that header in the second half yesterday I'll never know :(

 

Mark, I think if you look at the replay he was a bit unlucky, the goalie just got a touch on it, he didnt know much about it but it turned out to be enough to re-direct it onto the bar.

 

But Fellaini always looks a bit lethargic (slow) to me, but as you said its not his fault we paid over the odds for him.

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I thought this thread was going to be..."Once And For All Fellaini Is....a massive let down." Oh well...

he's been our best midfielder since he's came, so surely u think the hole midfield are a letdown, how people still dont like him suprises me because were lucky he's not at a better team where the hole team pass the ball on the floor and not just him and arteta.

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he's been our best midfielder since he's came, so surely u think the hole midfield are a letdown, how people still dont like him suprises me because were lucky he's not at a better team where the hole team pass the ball on the floor and not just him and arteta.

 

You are correct, the whole (theres a w in whole) midfield have been poor but Fellaini is no better than the rest. Might come as a shock but people don't like him because, well they don't think he is any good.

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hes scorin goals for a midfielder always looks dangerous when hes up there i mean hes a kid and its faster here cant be expected to run box to box for 90 mins all the time. carsley didnt do that he stayed back most the time hardly ever in the box. he should be played with castillo then hes not havin to do that and be played in the cahill role i think. dont care what he says shit tackler so no way hes a defensive mid

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The whole Fellaini debate is really starting to get tired. With him performing consistantly well I do not see why people can still criticise him. He has added strength and height to the midfield and is causing constant problems for oppositions. What's not to like? As for saying that he is a poor player because he lacks pace, well, that also means that pretty much our entire squad must be shit becasue very few of them have any pace, Arteta, Cahill, Anichibe... all these players made Mo look like Ussain Fucking Bolt against Villa.

 

People need to forget the fee as that is irrelivent now. He is an Everton player and thats all that matters, and what is more is that he is a very good everton player, he has alot of qualities as a player and is bringing alot to our midfield, people need to start to appreciate his qualities rather than trying to find flaws.

 

This debate is going to go on all season, I can just see it happening, I for one am already tired of it.

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im sure fellaini will be a top top player....yes his tackling isnt great but if you go back 6yrs s gerrard wasnt the player he is today...yes he was tired but he was still trying to creat openings in there area in the last few minutes...top player.

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The whole Fellaini debate is really starting to get tired. With him performing consistantly well I do not see why people can still criticise him. He has added strength and height to the midfield and is causing constant problems for oppositions. What's not to like? As for saying that he is a poor player because he lacks pace, well, that also means that pretty much our entire squad must be shit becasue very few of them have any pace, Arteta, Cahill, Anichibe... all these players made Mo look like Ussain Fucking Bolt against Villa.

 

People need to forget the fee as that is irrelivent now. He is an Everton player and thats all that matters, and what is more is that he is a very good everton player, he has alot of qualities as a player and is bringing alot to our midfield, people need to start to appreciate his qualities rather than trying to find flaws.

 

This debate is going to go on all season, I can just see it happening, I for one am already tired of it.

 

Sorry Jamie, cant say I agree with you on this one. The debate will go on but thats a good thing surely, thats what we're here for :D

 

On the Fellaini topic I cant take the point he has performed consisantly. Take the money spent on him away, hes still not delieverd. He gives more silly clumsy fouls away than Phil Neville and walks around most of the time. The only threat I have seen him give consistantly is from set pieces and even then he misses alot more then he converts (I'm talking about free headers by the way, not half chances).

 

There have been other players who have been a hell of a lot worse than him this season and he is probably at a disadvantage due to his price tag but I think the Jury is still out on him, he has not shown enough yet in my opinion.

 

The finger of course would have to come down on Moyes at the end of the day if it doesnt work out but Fellaini has to stand up and be counted too (hes big enough :o) I hope I'm wrong and he is just been played in the wrong position, not quite gelling yet etc. but excuses can only be applied for so long.

 

I want every Everton player to suceed and would love nothing more so say I am wrong but I wont be....just yet :D

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The whole Fellaini debate is really starting to get tired. With him performing consistantly well I do not see why people can still criticise him. He has added strength and height to the midfield and is causing constant problems for oppositions. What's not to like? As for saying that he is a poor player because he lacks pace, well, that also means that pretty much our entire squad must be shit becasue very few of them have any pace, Arteta, Cahill, Anichibe... all these players made Mo look like Ussain Fucking Bolt against Villa.

 

People need to forget the fee as that is irrelivent now. He is an Everton player and thats all that matters, and what is more is that he is a very good everton player, he has alot of qualities as a player and is bringing alot to our midfield, people need to start to appreciate his qualities rather than trying to find flaws.

 

This debate is going to go on all season, I can just see it happening, I for one am already tired of it.

totally agree, this talk about fellaini is getting boring now, weve been crying out for a midfielder who's comfortable on the ball and can pass not only that he gives the height weve been lacking.

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I'm seemingly in a minority but I'm really liking Fellaini :blink: . He's by no means the finished the article and he has many kinks to iron out, but if he didn't have his faults then in reality he wouldn't be at a club like Everton would he? We have to buy rough diamonds and polish them, we were never going to be able to go out and buy the finished article. His price tag gives the impression that he is somewhat the finished article but we got done over on the price because we were desperate, and again, he didn't choose how much he cost.

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I like Fellaini i think the lad has shown a good amount of potential in certain area's of his game which can only improve with time and experiance. There are a few factors to take into account when judging the lad as we all know and as Romey said his price tag would have been inflated due to our situation in the transfur window that being said if he develops the way we hope he will be well worth the money.

He's only 21 in a totally new and tougher and faster paced league also playing within a team that has hugely underachieved thus far so up to this point i think the lad is doing well. He's a niche player with his height and build and will add something to our team that not many others have.

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I like Fellaini i think the lad has shown a good amount of potential in certain area's of his game which can only improve with time and experiance. There are a few factors to take into account when judging the lad as we all know and as Romey said his price tag would have been inflated due to our situation in the transfur window that being said if he develops the way we hope he will be well worth the money.

He's only 21 in a totally new and tougher and faster paced league also playing within a team that has hugely underachieved thus far so up to this point i think the lad is doing well. He's a niche player with his height and build and will add something to our team that not many others have.

 

See, your comment is exactly what I am thinking. Fellaini has come into an underachieving team, a team playing shit if you like and he still does not stand out from the crowd. He is just another player in our squad.

 

Don't understand why he is a niche player? There are loads of 6ft + midfielders in the Premiership and his build is like that of Peter Crouch.

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there isn't many finished articles at 20 is there

no one else wins the headers and he does and knock downs are dangerous if you have good strikers which we do just injured at the moment. he'll get goals and assists aplenty next season

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I'm seemingly in a minority but I'm really liking Fellaini :blink: . He's by no means the finished the article and he has many kinks to iron out, but if he didn't have his faults then in reality he wouldn't be at a club like Everton would he? We have to buy rough diamonds and polish them, we were never going to be able to go out and buy the finished article. His price tag gives the impression that he is somewhat the finished article but we got done over on the price because we were desperate, and again, he didn't choose how much he cost.

I quite like Fellaini and thought he had a decent game on Sunday (although he was totally abysmal against Wigan) but I don't think he has consistently delivered. I understand your point about the finished article and it is a valid one, the only problem is, it's bit different taking a gamble on someone who has bags of pace but lacks a little composure/control (ie Ronaldo when he first signed for Utd) than taking a gamble on a player like Fellaini who is slow, there is little chance he is going to get any quicker and so there is a limited amount he will improve as his general play is not bad, it is purely his lack of pace and tracking back that is the problem with his ability/performance. Once his stamina improves then he will be more effective, but a lack of pace in the Premiership is a big worry as I cannot remember too many slow lumbering giant success stories in midfield. That being said, I'll give him every chance but his energy levels need to improve.

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I quite like Fellaini and thought he had a decent game on Sunday (although he was totally abysmal against Wigan) but I don't think he has consistently delivered. I understand your point about the finished article and it is a valid one, the only problem is, it's bit different taking a gamble on someone who has bags of pace but lacks a little composure/control (ie Ronaldo when he first signed for Utd) than taking a gamble on a player like Fellaini who is slow, there is little chance he is going to get any quicker and so there is a limited amount he will improve as his general play is not bad, it is purely his lack of pace and tracking back that is the problem with his ability/performance. Once his stamina improves then he will be more effective, but a lack of pace in the Premiership is a big worry as I cannot remember too many slow lumbering giant success stories in midfield. That being said, I'll give him every chance but his energy levels need to improve.

 

 

Our whole team lacks pace though, so I think it's a little harsh throwing that at him. His tracking back does leave a lot to be desired I know, but hopefully that will come with time.

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I quite like Fellaini and thought he had a decent game on Sunday (although he was totally abysmal against Wigan) but I don't think he has consistently delivered. I understand your point about the finished article and it is a valid one, the only problem is, it's bit different taking a gamble on someone who has bags of pace but lacks a little composure/control (ie Ronaldo when he first signed for Utd) than taking a gamble on a player like Fellaini who is slow, there is little chance he is going to get any quicker and so there is a limited amount he will improve as his general play is not bad, it is purely his lack of pace and tracking back that is the problem with his ability/performance. Once his stamina improves then he will be more effective, but a lack of pace in the Premiership is a big worry as I cannot remember too many slow lumbering giant success stories in midfield. That being said, I'll give him every chance but his energy levels need to improve.

 

So if a player lacks pace they are defunct in the prem? I don't think so, I think there is an over-emphasis on pace in today's prem and being able to hold up the ball and be an imposing force in the center of the field is more important than being able to run really fast up and down the pitch.I think fellaini needs experience in the prem since he has been used to playing in a different league with a different tempo and I think he is responding positively to life here he just needs time. He's my age and I know if I had to shut up shop at home move to a different country, start a new job in a new home and learn a new language I'd find the entire experience a bit intimidating. Not least of all the fact that we were playign absolute shit football for most of this season and we expected fellaini to come in and save us, which was an immense amount of pressure. Give him a year, let him get used to everything, not just the football, and give Moyes the chance to use him properly on the field and I think he will be one of our best players this time next year.

 

debate or no debate, we'd be playing a lot worse without him.

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Regulator, Cant go along with you on the Change of job Theory, it doesnt matter if you are playing in England, Outer Mongolia or Timbuctoo, football is a game of football wherever you are playing it, and you dont need to be multi lingual.

 

Again with your theory that his teammates have been playing absolute shit for most of the season ........... all the more reason why he should stand out as a decent player, but he does'nt.

 

I think he needs a rocket from Moyes, cos i bet he is always last in the training runs and sprints, he needs tuition on how to increase speed and lung power, cos to me he looks like a bit of a lazy fooker.

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So if a player lacks pace they are defunct in the prem? I don't think so, I think there is an over-emphasis on pace in today's prem and being able to hold up the ball and be an imposing force in the center of the field is more important than being able to run really fast up and down the pitch.I think fellaini needs experience in the prem since he has been used to playing in a different league with a different tempo and I think he is responding positively to life here he just needs time. He's my age and I know if I had to shut up shop at home move to a different country, start a new job in a new home and learn a new language I'd find the entire experience a bit intimidating. Not least of all the fact that we were playign absolute shit football for most of this season and we expected fellaini to come in and save us, which was an immense amount of pressure. Give him a year, let him get used to everything, not just the football, and give Moyes the chance to use him properly on the field and I think he will be one of our best players this time next year.

 

debate or no debate, we'd be playing a lot worse without him.

 

What? I think he finds the task of spending his £20k a week wages more intimidating than playing football, which you could consider to be a universal language.

 

Next you will say he still doesn't have a translator...

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Regulator, Cant go along with you on the Change of job Theory, it doesnt matter if you are playing in England, Outer Mongolia or Timbuctoo, football is a game of football wherever you are playing it, and you dont need to be multi lingual.

 

Again with your theory that his teammates have been playing absolute shit for most of the season ........... all the more reason why he should stand out as a decent player, but he does'nt.

 

I think he needs a rocket from Moyes, cos i bet he is always last in the training runs and sprints, he needs tuition on how to increase speed and lung power, cos to me he looks like a bit of a lazy fooker.

 

Hooray, someone else that has removed their rose tinted glasses. :D

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FFS, listening to some of you chat rubbish is like listening to those whinging bar stewards in red constantly bleating on about their players 'not being good enough for Liverpool'... leave the dissing their own to them lot, fellaini is one of us now and I for one think he has been great so far this season, he adds bite and physical presence in the middle of the park, he can pass the ball, and he's dangerous in the opposition box... some of you lot want the moon on a stick!

 

Incidentally, talking of snivelpool, some of my red's mates have said how good they think fellaini has looked for us and how they wouldnt mind him in their team... bear in mind these are lads that would never normally dream of saying anything remotely complimentary about a Blue, and scoffed at the Yak for 'only scoring 20' last season... so he must be doing something right...

 

Oh, and finally, on the subject of pace in the Prem... Viera, Keane, Petit, Alonso, Makelele, Scholes, Speed (later in career anyway) - not exactly blessed with bundles of pace were they, yet they all had what you might call decent careers in centre mid. have a word.

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FFS, listening to some of you chat rubbish is like listening to those whinging bar stewards in red constantly bleating on about their players 'not being good enough for Liverpool'... leave the dissing their own to them lot, fellaini is one of us now and I for one think he has been great so far this season, he adds bite and physical presence in the middle of the park, he can pass the ball, and he's dangerous in the opposition box... some of you lot want the moon on a stick!

 

Incidentally, talking of snivelpool, some of my red's mates have said how good they think fellaini has looked for us and how they wouldnt mind him in their team... bear in mind these are lads that would never normally dream of saying anything remotely complimentary about a Blue, and scoffed at the Yak for 'only scoring 20' last season... so he must be doing something right...

 

Oh, and finally, on the subject of pace in the Prem... Viera, Keane, Petit, Alonso, Makelele, Scholes, Speed (later in career anyway) - not exactly blessed with bundles of pace were they, yet they all had what you might call decent careers in centre mid. have a word.

 

You know you are not forced to read this thread, right?

 

So you are essentially saying that Liverpool fans have higher expectations than us Blues and they can criticise their players but we should be thankful for what we have and what we get...? I don't think so. Any football fan has the right to demand the best from their team and can give constructive criticism to who they like.

 

What is your point bringing Viera and co. into the conversation? They were very good players even at a young age, you just make Fellaini look even less talented by making comparisons to them.

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What? I think he finds the task of spending his £20k a week wages more intimidating than playing football, which you could consider to be a universal language.

 

Next you will say he still doesn't have a translator...

 

Pfft, he's developing at a phenomenal rate in all aspects. I was talking more about his adeptibility from the change of football style more than anything. If you put a bunch of british kids in a match against a bunch of brazilian kids would they play in the same way? The way they play in belgium is a different tempo and style to playing over here, and given that he was a DM, he's probably not used to the pace of the british game, or what is being asked of him. If you play players out of a position they're comfortable in and force them to adapt they can fail at first because it's like playing in a completely different game.

 

My opinion is I'm glad he is here, he is a young, raw talent, he will not be dropped because he has great potential and he has been vital to us so far this season. The kinks in his play will be iorned out over time and I can see him being at this club for a good few years yet. He is good at winning the ball, he holds it up well, he has a powerful shot and he's already scoring goals. There may be downsides to his game, but they're outweighed by the good sides, and he will keep getting better as time goes on.

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Pfft, he's developing at a phenomenal rate in all aspects. I was talking more about his adeptibility from the change of football style more than anything. If you put a bunch of british kids in a match against a bunch of brazilian kids would they play in the same way? The way they play in belgium is a different tempo and style to playing over here, and given that he was a DM, he's probably not used to the pace of the british game, or what is being asked of him. If you play players out of a position they're comfortable in and force them to adapt they can fail at first because it's like playing in a completely different game.

 

My opinion is I'm glad he is here, he is a young, raw talent, he will not be dropped because he has great potential and he has been vital to us so far this season. The kinks in his play will be iorned out over time and I can see him being at this club for a good few years yet. He is good at winning the ball, he holds it up well, he has a powerful shot and he's already scoring goals. There may be downsides to his game, but they're outweighed by the good sides, and he will keep getting better as time goes on.

 

Don't get me wrong, I am glad he is here too and I will love the day he proves me wrong - can I forsee that day at the moment, no. I have no doubt he will get better but I do not see the "top of his scale" as being as high as others in the age group/position e.g. Fabregas.

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Don't get me wrong, I am glad he is here too and I will love the day he proves me wrong - can I forsee that day at the moment, no. I have no doubt he will get better but I do not see the "top of his scale" as being as high as others in the age group/position e.g. Fabregas.

 

well this is it isn't it, he's being compared with people like fabregas, world-class players that are in his age group, because of the price tag, when the price was because of his potential value to the club in the future, he may not be earning that 15mil at the Mo, but he definately will it's just a matter of patience. I think this is where I disagree when people say he is not playing up to the level we expect because frankly we're expecting too much too soon. We were playing shit, had a razor thin squad, and what we really wanted was our own Moutinho. We all had this idea that when we got moutinho he would revolutionise the squad and lead us to victory, but he never came and we had fellaini instead. Fellaini was never going to bring the squad to greatness by himself, but we play better with him than without and that's my argument. Yes he may not be consistent and yes he may not be at the same level as Fabregas but in the long run we have secured someone who could be a great mdifielder and the ammunition to fire us up the table.

 

It may have been a panic buy but for £4m we could have done a lot worse than Screech.

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Don't get me wrong, I am glad he is here too and I will love the day he proves me wrong - can I forsee that day at the moment, no. I have no doubt he will get better but I do not see the "top of his scale" as being as high as others in the age group/position e.g. Fabregas.

 

That's a ridiculous comparison. If you want to compare someone to Fabregas it should be Arteta, who probably fares even less favourably at the moment.

 

Fellaini doesn't have many comparisons in the Premier League at the moment, and maybe that's why so many blues are unsure of him. Moyes seems to be trying something new here, and obviously it'll take a while for this to come together.

 

I think if Moyes had wanted to keep on with what we'd done last year he could very easily slot Castillo into Carsley's spot and we'd be much the same, if improved slightly going forward and hampered slightly on defense. So not only do we have a very young new player playing in a new position but we also have a team struggling to adjust around him.

 

I for one think it'll pay off and I think we've already seen Fellaini improving. He does need to work on a few things, most importantly his tackling and running, but I'm quite sure we'll all be praising the big bastard in a short while.

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i agree with the regulator i mean hes already done what cahill usually does and won us points he won the game against bolton and got us back into it against man u. people expect so much cos he cost almost ten times what cahill did the fact is that we had to pay that cos of the modern footballing climate and he will be class. i mean if he was 28 and not doin it id agree but he'll be here for a long time to come. did gravesen stand out as much straight away? no he didnt then became one of best midfielders we've had in recent years. hes been our best midfielder and doin far more than the rest of them and why should he run his arse off box to box when someone else is meant to be coverin the defence? carsley never got in the area did he but fellaini does so hes not a defensive mid i dont care what he says(think ive already said this but oh well)

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FFS, listening to some of you chat rubbish is like listening to those whinging bar stewards in red constantly bleating on about their players 'not being good enough for Liverpool'... leave the dissing their own to them lot, fellaini is one of us now and I for one think he has been great so far this season, he adds bite and physical presence in the middle of the park, he can pass the ball, and he's dangerous in the opposition box... some of you lot want the moon on a stick!

 

Incidentally, talking of snivelpool, some of my red's mates have said how good they think fellaini has looked for us and how they wouldnt mind him in their team... bear in mind these are lads that would never normally dream of saying anything remotely complimentary about a Blue, and scoffed at the Yak for 'only scoring 20' last season... so he must be doing something right...

 

Oh, and finally, on the subject of pace in the Prem... Viera, Keane, Petit, Alonso, Makelele, Scholes, Speed (later in career anyway) - not exactly blessed with bundles of pace were they, yet they all had what you might call decent careers in centre mid. have a word.

There's a difference between not being fast and being unbelievably slow, players like Keane and Vieira were real athletes, when Keane started to lose his pace then he got put in a sitting role who hardly ventured forward and he was nothing like the player he was initially. That's what happens when players get older, they lose their pace and generally become less effective, unless they are defenders or goalkeepers. Fellaini is not just lacking in pace - most of our players are only moderately quick, we have little in the way of genuine pace throughout the side, Yobo aside - but he is incredibly slow, that is a worry as it is not something that can be fixed, you either have pace or you don't.

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You cant compare him with Fabregas both are worlds apart in terms of style and play, thats one of the reasons i would in my opinion class him as a niche player and there are not many 6ft4 midfielders in the Prem and generally its Defenders or keepers that are that size and have next to zero ball control due to there size.

He's more in the mould of a Viera type player and given time im sure he will play a big part in our future i may be wrong like but from what i can see he has no reason not to become and develop into a very good player.

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Seems like opinion is very much divided on Mo. Personally I think he has improved game on game (apart from Wigan), and has added a lot to the side. Fair enough he has got a hell of a lot to live up to with the price tag, but he didn't ask to be signed for that much.

 

In terms of 'he's not as good as other players', when Viera first came to the Prem he didn't exactly immediately set the world alight. Same with Petit and a couple of the other names mentioned. Another example (albeit in a different position) is Thierry Henry(10.5 mill (1999)). It toook him so long to string some decent performances together, and now he's viewed as one of the best players ever to grace the Premiership.

 

How easy would it be to walk into a team that is winning, that is full of confidence, that is playing good football and join in with that? Answer, simple. It is much harder to play in a team that is struggling for confidence and form and actually stand out.

 

I believe that Fellaini will go on to be an excellent acquisition for us in future seasons. I also agree that at £15m Standard must have had big windows on the office (to see us coming). What's done is done, and the kid will come good!

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That's a ridiculous comparison. If you want to compare someone to Fabregas it should be Arteta, who probably fares even less favourably at the moment.

 

Fellaini doesn't have many comparisons in the Premier League at the moment, and maybe that's why so many blues are unsure of him. Moyes seems to be trying something new here, and obviously it'll take a while for this to come together.

 

I think if Moyes had wanted to keep on with what we'd done last year he could very easily slot Castillo into Carsley's spot and we'd be much the same, if improved slightly going forward and hampered slightly on defense. So not only do we have a very young new player playing in a new position but we also have a team struggling to adjust around him.

 

I for one think it'll pay off and I think we've already seen Fellaini improving. He does need to work on a few things, most importantly his tackling and running, but I'm quite sure we'll all be praising the big bastard in a short while.

 

LMAO...erm so comparing him to someone who is Spanish is more relevant? Is Fabregas a midfielder, is Fabregas the same age, is Fabregas in the Premiership...it is ridiculous comparison to you because the difference in quality is huge, which is exactly my point.

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There's a difference between not being fast and being unbelievably slow, players like Keane and Vieira were real athletes, when Keane started to lose his pace then he got put in a sitting role who hardly ventured forward and he was nothing like the player he was initially. That's what happens when players get older, they lose their pace and generally become less effective, unless they are defenders or goalkeepers. Fellaini is not just lacking in pace - most of our players are only moderately quick, we have little in the way of genuine pace throughout the side, Yobo aside - but he is incredibly slow, that is a worry as it is not something that can be fixed, you either have pace or you don't.

I can understand your gripe abut pace but as i've stated before he is no slower than the majority of our squad. in comparison with anichibe he looks like road runner, cahill and arteta are also two other players who completly lack pace. If you are going to criticis Fellaini about pace then these players need to come under greater scrutiny. Fellaini is playing in a central midfielder and a key part of there game does not need to be pace. Cahill who plays attacking mid should have pace, arteta who is supposed to operate down the wing should have pace, vic who plays upfront should have pace, fellaini is in one of the parts of the park where pacce does not need to be a huge facet of his game. As long as he is using the rest of his strengths then he can get away without the need to sprint around all the time, other players, i.e wingers and forwards, are the players who should be the ones making the runs and the ones with the pace. we can't expect every player of ours to have perfect attributes in every department, but the fact is that they don't need to be perfect in every department. Fellaini may not be the fastest player, neither is he the slowest, but he times his runs well and his timing in the box is very good. if a player has good timing then they can operate without pace, that is why Cahill has done so well for us in the past.

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I can understand your gripe abut pace but as i've stated before he is no slower than the majority of our squad. in comparison with anichibe he looks like road runner, cahill and arteta are also two other players who completly lack pace. If you are going to criticis Fellaini about pace then these players need to come under greater scrutiny. Fellaini is playing in a central midfielder and a key part of there game does not need to be pace. Cahill who plays attacking mid should have pace, arteta who is supposed to operate down the wing should have pace, vic who plays upfront should have pace, fellaini is in one of the parts of the park where pacce does not need to be a huge facet of his game. As long as he is using the rest of his strengths then he can get away without the need to sprint around all the time, other players, i.e wingers and forwards, are the players who should be the ones making the runs and the ones with the pace. we can't expect every player of ours to have perfect attributes in every department, but the fact is that they don't need to be perfect in every department. Fellaini may not be the fastest player, neither is he the slowest, but he times his runs well and his timing in the box is very good. if a player has good timing then they can operate without pace, that is why Cahill has done so well for us in the past.

I totally disagree though, although Cahill and Arteta are no Aaron Lennon, I personally think they are far quicker than Fellaini. Arteta possibly lacked a little pace to play successfully on the wing anymore, but he has more than enough to play in CM and the fact that he DID play on the wing so successfully for about 12 months (prior to the last 12 months!) shows he must have some pace as otherwise he would never have been able to operate out there - I mean do you honestly think Fellaini could do anything out on the wing? I don't think Cahill is slow at all and Anichebe looks pretty quick to me, in the match the other day he looked a bit off it but that was possibly because he was injured and also knackered, plenty of times last season in Europe he showed decent pace. We don't have a really fast team, Yobo aside, but I think there is only Fellaini who I consider to be really slow. I like the guy but for me, it's a worry as every other slow midfielder I can think of (Hamann, Keane in his later years etc) could only play the one role and that was sitting in front of the back 4 - where Fellaini is not getting played and on performances so far, most of his skills seem to be in the opposition box. He has definitely given us some much needed height and his play on the ball is fairly decent, although hardly Fabregas in quality, and he has definitely improved virtually week on week so I'm hoping he will go on to become an Everton legend, but as I said, I have some concerns on his workrate/speed.

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find another 20 year old who is as good as fabregas in the premiership? you'll be strugglin the guy is in a class of his own for his age and position so no point comparing them two is there. also no pace oh well carsley didnt and neither does cahill so if he does either job he can do it aswell or better

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I totally disagree though, although Cahill and Arteta are no Aaron Lennon, I personally think they are far quicker than Fellaini. Arteta possibly lacked a little pace to play successfully on the wing anymore, but he has more than enough to play in CM and the fact that he DID play on the wing so successfully for about 12 months (prior to the last 12 months!) shows he must have some pace as otherwise he would never have been able to operate out there - I mean do you honestly think Fellaini could do anything out on the wing? I don't think Cahill is slow at all and Anichebe looks pretty quick to me, in the match the other day he looked a bit off it but that was possibly because he was injured and also knackered, plenty of times last season in Europe he showed decent pace. We don't have a really fast team, Yobo aside, but I think there is only Fellaini who I consider to be really slow. I like the guy but for me, it's a worry as every other slow midfielder I can think of (Hamann, Keane in his later years etc) could only play the one role and that was sitting in front of the back 4 - where Fellaini is not getting played and on performances so far, most of his skills seem to be in the opposition box. He has definitely given us some much needed height and his play on the ball is fairly decent, although hardly Fabregas in quality, and he has definitely improved virtually week on week so I'm hoping he will go on to become an Everton legend, but as I said, I have some concerns on his workrate/speed.

I see your points about concerns over his pace, but i thnk that concerns over his workrate are a little harsh, i don't see any problems with is workrate all, he puts in more than cahill does at the moment. He does flag towards the end of games but that is Moyes who should be taking him off and resting him a little, everyone here knows that he flags at the end of games so i don't see why moyes persists with him al game, anyway.

 

As for the pace issue, i know he couldn't operate on the wing, but we don't need him too. I know that he isn't that fast but the fact of the matter is that he doesn't need to be for the position he is, and as i said before his timing is good so at least he can compencate for lack of pace with a knowledge of when to make the runs and how to use himself effectivly. He is a large strong player and cause problems for the oppositions, you can definatly tell that he causes alot of intimidation.

 

Finally, the comparisons with Cesc are pointless (this is not solely directed at you carl) Cesc is a class above most players in the league, even world, the only thing you can compare between them is age and few players have achieved what cesc has and become the player cesc has in such a short time

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find another 20 year old who is as good as fabregas in the premiership? you'll be strugglin the guy is in a class of his own for his age and position so no point comparing them two is there. also no pace oh well carsley didnt and neither does cahill so if he does either job he can do it aswell or better

Carsley did have pace though, he man marked Gerrard out of a couple of derby's. He definitely lost a touch of his pace in the last couple of years, but in no way was he slow, he was still far quicker than Hamann or Fellaini.

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Him and arteta have taken our team to the next level with there performances lately, fellaini doesnt need pace and to be perfectly honest theres alot slower players in our team, all I would like to see from him more is aggression on the pitch. I would like to think every midfielder in the premiership is scared of him and thats something he could make happen.

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he's drifted out there the last 20 minutes of the last two games, if u have concerns over him u cannot be watching all our games, him and arteta have taken our team to the next level with there performances lately, fellaini doesnt need pace and to be perfectly honest theres alot slower players in our team, all I would like to see from him more is aggression on the pitch.

 

He already has more yellow cards than any other player in the squad, if he adds agression to his stupid tackles he'll end up suspended for half the season. :)

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He already has more yellow cards than any other player in the squad, if he adds agression to his stupid tackles he'll end up suspended for half the season. :)

 

He was sooooo close to getting through the City game without a yellow....90th minute I think :) .

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HE IS NOT A DEFENSIVE MIDFIELD PLAYER i am really getting irritated about people complaining do people even watch the games he is always up front

 

So he says he's a defensive mid and you say he's not :huh: .

 

Let me just think about it a minute and I'll decide who I think is in the best position to judge :P .

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what ever he is hes playing really well i didnt min d him getting booked saturday as it looked like the kid was on a run and to give a foul away there was better then the edge of the area he is improving hes come into a side that started really poor but are digging there heels in now and hes looking good

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I have heard david moyes say he is not and have you watched an everton game he plays up from -.- so much for being an everton fan if he says it than he is not a very bright lad

 

What position the player thinks he is comfortable at playing and where the manager wants him to play are two different things.

Just look at Lescott, JLo says he is a Centre Back but Moyes always plays him at Left Back.

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Carsley did have pace though, he man marked Gerrard out of a couple of derby's. He definitely lost a touch of his pace in the last couple of years, but in no way was he slow, he was still far quicker than Hamann or Fellaini.

 

you are just happy to lie to make your point stick aren't you?

Carsley never had "pace" he wasn't always slow as fuck, he still isnt, but to say he had pace is just blatantly wrong. and Gerrards hardly lightening is he

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you are just happy to lie to make your point stick aren't you?

Carsley never had "pace" he wasn't always slow as fuck, he still isnt, but to say he had pace is just blatantly wrong. and Gerrards hardly lightening is he

sorry steve but gerrards got more pace than people think, the only players we have that are quicker are probably Yobo and Vaughan.

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sorry steve but gerrards got more pace than people think, the only players we have that are quicker are probably Yobo and Vaughan.

 

 

Doesn't OPTA or someone keep stats on pace? They ranked AJ first last year no? I bet we can settle this issue.

 

Also, don't see how he's a defensive midfielder at all, he'll be a box to box player that can tackle once he's fully settle, but for now he's more of an attacker than a defender in the games i've seen (most every one this season).

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sorry steve but gerrards got more pace than people think, the only players we have that are quicker are probably Yobo and Vaughan.

 

im not saying gerrards slow, im saying hes not a player who will scare you with his pace, agbonlahor, walcott, real pace. hes quick, as any attacking player should be, but id be suprised if he was quicker than cahill even.

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