andydray

sorry guys, got dragged to the shops then had dinner. I got a bit heated before so apologies if i offended any1.

We will all still stand together and support thr blues no matter what happens.

Non of our opinions will change anythin, im happy to agree to diagree, but hope together that only good things can come from this.

COYB

Football team is a blackhole for money, not an assest really!

 

We missed our chance when the board made their biggest mistake of Kings Dock....

bull shit mate, clubs are massive assets, why would the saudi's take over man city if it just a black hole for money. Thats utter bull mate.

I think we all want the glory back, but some of us realize that a sugardaddy isnt a guarantee and dont want to lose the club on the gamble.

 

A change is certainly needed at board level. I just respect and appreciate the work they have done so far

only united have done it without takeover. Without a "moyes" there is no second man utd, doing it off our own backs is a day dream.Get with the times mate, shits different now. I'd love it to be like the old days, but thats gone, wake up! Kenwright out!!!

 

because the if it all goes wrong can have a devastating effect..the club could go out of existence...if it went all right then that would be lovely..personally i don't want to take the risk..and i am happy to wait

 

your happy to wait while more and more clubs do the same thing. The oil rich companys all need business's to clear there profits, reduce tax bills. What better asset to have than a premiership team. In a few years there wont be any teams left to take over, we wont be in the same league, all the top teams will be in a super league like rugby. Weve had our chance and lost it.

 

people like you are so blinded by the want for money all the time..sugar daddy's don't grow on trees..get over it..you'd rather we did a portsmouth..have a bit of limelight then fall so far from grace people would forget who the fuck we were in 10 years time..

thats on the "what if it all goes wrong" side of the arguement, but what if "it all goes right". As i said mate if your happy with 6th or 7th every season then carry on being happy to "make do". All's I want is a bit of glory for Everton, its been to long dangling infront of us.

I started this thread with Kenwright has to buck his ideas up or bugger off, I still stand by this, we will go nowere with him at the helm!

 

you meet people who challenge your opinion and write them off as non-fans?! Thats sad....

when did i saw he isn't a fan, he just has no desire to win.

 

not at all...i've seen other people with the same opinion as me have their loyalty questioned...i know the extent of love i have for this club..it's upto you to decide if you think i don't or not..i can't influence that at all but to be honest i don't really care...i stopped readin most of your stuff at the first sign of mate

quite obviosly thats not true cos your still replying to me. Your honesty is in doubt now as well, your doin well mate. Are you going to keep going???

maybe his layalty isn't but his desire to achieve anything is and thats what really matters. Gotta be in it to win it, if u dont want to win, dont play.

errrr.... thats a nonsense post.

looks like i stumbled accross an everton forum that dates back to the medievil days. I'll leave ya's to it i think, lost in your sad little world of "it'll do". So fuckin sad, i really hope that the 2 of you, matt and marco, are not season ticket holders at Goodison because it is such a waste of 2 seats if you are.

i've done this dance too many times now dr dray...i can't be arsed any more..and to be honest whenever the not true blue comments come out i lose all interest and respect for the other persons opinion

same goes here marco, anything you type now'll have no impact what so ever. Sounds like youve been called on your loyalty a few times in the past, there must be some substance to it. Enjoy your grass mate.

Marco, to come out with a comment like"the grass isnt greener" sugests your not a true blue. Do you not want success??? In life we all have to gamble to get anywhere. Are you really happy with coming 5th or 6th every season, just hoping to be higher than liverpool, cos i tell u what mate im not. I want us in the champions league and pushing to be league champioms. Ye it could go wrong, but on the flip side we could be back to kings of europe. Any1 who scofs at my last statement should go buy themselves a tranmere jersey cos we dont need half hearted support thanks.

 

again with the sex references..you're not gettin enough mate

 

but if you like..if she wasn't able to put out then i wouldn't just jump on the first girl that came along..you never know what you might get..it has taken time and there have been mistakes but also we've dodged a bullet when you look at the likes of portsmouth and blackburn..grass isn't always greener and all that

I get it nearlly every day to be honest with u mate, my birds hot. Im just trying to metaphore it up, put it in laymans terms for you cos u dont seem to get it.

 

 

If you use that as proof that the board backed Moyes, then conversely the same argument says that Man United never backed Ferguson with funds.... Not sure thats the case do you. Hereby making your point flawed.

I disagree with that Matt, recently Man Utd havn't needed to break records 1 because they already have a very strong squad, and 2 the records are so high these days, its getting harder and harder to hit those sort of price brackets.Players are coming through the ranks and into the pro game younger and younger. Players like Walcot, how can a price be put on him as he is leaving the academy. Only Arsenal truly knoww waht his potential was as a child, no price tag of 30, 40 or 50 mill can be put on his head at that age. Ferguson has had players coming through the ranks that will be breaking other clubs transfer records in years to come. He hasn't had to spend that sort of cash on 1 player to keep it running smooth. An eaasy 10 mill here, maybe 20 there, it doesn't bother them, ts easy. Not for us tho, we cant spend 40 mill on 1 player because we need loads of players (or we will soon anyway).

Thats what needs to cahange. We may still be able to gain those rich's from our own endeavours on the pitch, but without Moyes, I doubt it.

didnt say it was to be celebrated. its proof that the board backed Moyes with funds.

ye but the backing wasn't good enough. we can break those records every day but if you dont buy the right players, no other records can be broken. We bought Mirallas for what, 6 mill, if 30 mill had of been in that pot at the time, would we of bought Mirallas or could we have bought some1 much better. Do you not get that matt, ye they backed him, but they didn't have sufficient funds to support him. Moyes had to make do with his buying.

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do you want to end up like portsmouth? come along and take the first man who promises to carry you over a threshold of gold? then leaves you shaking in a pit with fuck all? or do you take stability and wait for the right man to come along? you seem to be of a group of people who want money now and to sell to any one who winks at us..fuck what happens 4-5 years down the line..i want a brand new diamond ring now!!!!

its not like that at all you dope. Weve had Moyes for more than 10 years. If your Mrs didnt put out for 10 years would you keep trying,,er no, youd go get stuck into somethin else!!!

 

The manager has gone - Long live the manager

 

I understand your pain, but in time it will pass. He has been given possibly the best job in football, and I'm delighted for the guy. Had he gone to Sunderland, I would have been 'sad', but for me, it's like seeing somebody you care about go on to great things, so all the best to him, and I'm a little proud that it was 'our' manager that was considered the best by a club who could have hired God himself to manage them. I was initially disheartened, but now I'm coming to terms with it, and determined to embrace what ever happens with as much positivity as possible.

 

For once, all fans should get behind the club, wish Moyes well, and support the next manager with as much enthusiasm as we did Moyes.

For once?? mate even when we were battling against relegation we still had a strong 30,000 coming to Goodison for each and eevry game. We are always behind the CLUB, doesn't mean we have to be behind the BOARD. " completely differnt things mate

indeed we did. Like I said, board could and shouldve done better. But to cherrypick bits and ignore the small bits of good they did just irritates me

I'm not ignoring the small bits at all, I'm over the moon that we are no longer relegation contendrs, to me thats the only small achievment we have made over the years and that has helped us to reduce the debt, but micro managing a Premiership team is not the way forward. The small bits just dont do it for me, we were the dominant force of europe in the 80's, no thanks to the red shite for putting a stop to that. We are nearlly there again, I hope with all my heart, whoever it is that takes over has the desire to keep the Moyes spirit and work ethic alive, I find it very hard to feel warm towards Kenwright, and trust that the new manager will have the cash to invest in replacing whoever else we loose.

he was being told he had money to play with this summer. He left for a bigger job.

 

Chelsea (falling from grace now), Man City.... Versus Portsmouth, Leeds, Blackburn, QPR, Malaga (i think)....

 

 

 

Good call.

too late tho matt waasn't it. Needed it 4, 5 years ago.

Come on lads, we don't the divisiveness right now, this is a time when we need to be as one.

 

Yes the board haven't been the best (I would like rid of them) but Moyes left through his own choosing, because it was Manchester United. He wouldn't have turned them down, he's not an Everton man despite being here for 11 years.

 

Moyes is gone. Everton is not. Focus on that.

His own choosing because Kenwright had let him go as far as he could. If you had a fat Mrs and you were thinkin bout leaving her cos she's fat, then all of a sudden she realised she was fat, sorted it out and became a stunner, would you leave her, or think fuc8 me, im stickin round. You'd stay mate and I know u would!!! Its the same her, if Kenwright had of made it more appealing, maybe staying put would be his CHOOSING. Get ya head out the sand mate.

I dont feel let down in the slightest, and know a lot of fans that cherish him. In fact, theres only a handful of fans I know who want him out.

 

 

its a counter argument to "the board didnt support the manager", this is clearly bollocks. What isnt bollocks is that the board shouldve done better. Signings were also Moyes' choices, so cant blame the board there either....

but if the board are telling moyes he only has 3 or 4 mill to play with in the summer it seriously reduces the players he can look at, if he has 100 mill he can look at anyone and tempt them with big wages. Forget Blackburn and Pompy, what about Chelsea and Man City, have you forgotten about them???

There is no reason for folk to look to blame anybody, or even be overly negative.

 

Good luck to Moyes, and even better luck to Kenwright in his attempts to make the next decision. If anything, it's a new opportunity for all concerned. Personally, I believe any replacement will be a manager that firstly we can afford, and secondly is young enough to bend with the Premier League breezes. I think Moyes will have discussed a successor with Bill some time ago, and Mackay is my best guess, as he was in a meeting with Davey a few weeks ago.

Every action has a consequence. Of course there is room for blame and negativity, we have just lost THE best manager in the world, to probably THE biggest and strongest(trying hard not to say best cos we all know the blues are the best) team in the world. Its sad as fu*k and I do and will blame Kenwright. Sorry.

this arguement about breaking club transfer records is rediculous guys. Inflation for 1 thing, everything goes up in price all the time. Newsagents dont celebrate because they sold a bottle of wine today for more than they sold it for yesterday because thats life. Records will be broken all the time, if things are going well. We broke the record 3 times on players that turned out not to be worthy of that crown. Its a joke.

Kenwight has let us all down, there's no 2 ways about it. Moyes needed cash, it wasn't given to him. End of arguement imo.

Statistics are only ther to cover the truth with a white wash of false security, its only at times like now that the people with their heads in the sand dig and dig and dig to bury it even further.

Thatcherism and Murdockism can both be blamed for destroying loyalty and passion within business and within the game due to greed of money. Without money in this modern world you are nothing. Passion, loyalty, trust, decency towards others, its all dying quicker and quicker in every aspect of life. Sadly.

This is our problem and it has been for years. Kenwright is TOO passionate in a game that has lost it's need for passion.

Rich people are ruthless, cold hearted and only passionate about 1 thing, their bottom line. Everton with Moyes must have been a very tempting investment for hundreds of multi millionaires, Kenwright turned them all away because.....well only he knows I guess. Its is his fault Moyes has gone. If we had been in the Champions Leagye for the past 4 or 5 years, think of the money and players we woulld have had. But we couldn't get there because Kenwright wouldn't give him the cash. Is that really that hard to see?????

Physics states that it is 70 times harder to get something going than it is to keep it going.

You can apply this logic to most things in life, anything from splitting an atom to starting an engine or business.

We were almost ther with Moyes. He's gone for the easy ride at United and money in his back pocket was the deciding factor. Anything he achieves on the field, is a direct result of what Ferguson has left behind.

He now has all that money to spend on a team that needs no additions, their reserves could keep them going for decades without spending.

you do speak sense Haf. Unfortunatelly money speaks much louder than loyalty and desire. Unless you desire to get rich very quick that is I guess.

With the right backing Moyes could become the next Sir Alex. He'll never be knighted for running in Sir Alex's shoes. Shame on you Moyes, a sign of weakness atlast.