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"Don't know much about historyDon't know much biologyDon't know much about a science bookDon't know much about the French I took But I do know that I love meAnd I know that if you love me, tooWhat a wonderful world this would be" Amazing https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-coronavirus-flu-vaccine-us-pandemic-meeting-leonard-schleifer-a9371286.html?fbclid=IwAR2phULzV7SKT4wfuYi4gHlYzLxhPImF6RC71jKD50w-EfWyUIsqr8hZypE

Biden Warren 2020, it will be a cakewalk.

Biden's odds of winning in November have shortened to 2-1, I don't know if I'm surprised or not whether the Dems think he is the best candidate. I have such a boner for Trump to be a one term Prez I am finding it hard to be objective. Trump was elected on the lowest turnout since 1996, voter turnout is well up on 2016 in the primaries which is hopeful. Listening to this podcast Sean Carroll did with left wing policy wonk Ezra Klein (about his new book) on the current polarisation of western politics, apparently swing voters are much less of factor in the current environment and it's more about "base mobilisation" (this would explain why Corbyn failed so hard) If that is the case the sooner, and cleaner the nomination is made the better.

That Momentum crew have a very authoritarian bent, not even interested in any other candidate and just want to install Long-Bailey as the new Labour leader.

Progressives have been guilty of some hypocrisy but Jesus mate, try and keep a little bit of balance. That is not Fascism.

This is a bad example mate, the opposition in that instance actually acquiesced to the removal of the democratic apparatus that resulted in Germany becoming a dictatorship.

What are you disagreeing with there? My point is the same sentiment.

In an election where Labour were decimated they won a majority of the seats in London. I'm not just referring to the UK there either its a Western thing, the more comfortable people are the more they care about social issues in general, climate change, LGBTI rights etc. I see your sentiment but I don't think politics should or needs to be such an all encompassing sacrifice, it's human nature to worry about your own households needs before you worry about other peoples.

I don't consider it greedy to want to earn somewhere approaching your earning potential, I also disagree with the last part of your statement and its evidently true that the more comfortable people are (I'm not talking about the super rich here, I am talking comfortable) the more they are inclined to care about the vulnerable in society which is why inner city types are more likely to vote for progressive parties.

It's a political thread on an internet forum Palfy, I'm not going to moderate myself because some people can't handle a robust discussion. PS I am not opinion

No Mark, you are not interesting in debating which is why you pretty much attempt to hound out anyone with a contrarian view to yours with ad hominem attacks on their style and equivocation on any argument they raise that challenges your position. If a conservative dares raise their head then the implications of stupidity, racism come out and the standard circle jerk ensues. With regards to the bolded, again that is entirely a figment of your imagination in response to being disagreed with, don't take it out on me.

The comparison to UC is bogus though, whether you agree with the function they perform is a different matter as is whether the level of UC is high enough, the remuneration for politicians needs to be commensurate with industry. There's likely people on this thread who earn more than a MP so not surprising we're not attracting the best and brightest.

Thats not MPs expenses Pete, members in the house of lords aren't salaried that allowance is it.

I really can't imagine too many people are going to get the Brexit they expected.

Haha I have never done that, I am careful about what I share and I generally form my opinions from books I have read/ public intellectuals I have listened to and things I have observed in my life. I'm only interested in the truth and what is good for humanity and currently as this thread goes that is the replacement of Donald Trump with an adult who can provide some leadership in what is likely one of the most challenging periods modern humans have faced, so actually living through the election and their first term and being able to win a second term is a priority.

As far as I "lecture you" it's just pointing out that your subjective reality is not necessarily an accurate world view and that you should open your mind to actually engaging with ideas your stomach finds uncomfortable. What you should be worried about is that you don't care if ideologues who share your world view smear political candidates in their own party. That's about as illiberal and anti intellectual as you can get.

Did you miss the part where I said give people some agency? Both sides engage in playing the man instead of the ball and its mostly the politicians who do that, not the media.

She tweeted an ancient article about a candidate from her own party in an attempt to smear him. His campaign pays 100% of comprehensive health insurance and it even stated in the old article she posted that he was currently paying a cash stipend in lieu. Nice deflection though, it's only Trump supporters who are blind to immoral and unethical behaviour though right.

Please for the love of god give people some agency, this narrative on the left that "we are right and everyone else is wrong and no one can see it because they are all brainwashed by the media" is pure fantasy.

Here's a falsehood for you, this is during a campaign to find a candidate to replace an authoritarian who has captured your government. There are scores of examples of this kind of divisiveness and identity politics BS, particularly from this member.

Its not about the economy, its cultural, same as Brexit it's not contained to the US it's a global response to too much globalism/capitalism. Bernie is a good man and as someone not affected by US domestic policy I would ecstatic if he could get up, his voting record demonstrates he is someone who would rather be effective than right and that is a very good quality in a politician. But they will align him with the Squad and Socialism and make him defend all sorts of marginal cultural issues* *very much hope I am wrong on this.

Do you think anyone other than a centrist has a chance of winning in November? I would have thought someone moderate Republicans would vote for would be a key prerequisite for the nomination.

Yang is out, I am super surprised at how well Buttigieg is doing. With 59% of New Hampshire precincts, Bernie Sanders leads Pete Buttigieg by 2.1 points. The Vermont senator is at 26%, and the former Indiana mayor is at 23.9%.

Are you using the term socialism interchangeably with social redistribution or do you really think the government you would prefer should do things like Bernie has suggested in the past like nationalise banks and industry and have a centrally planned economy?