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what pisses me off

y didn't fat kieth jus say before tha there would probly not be any more signings

pure builds are hopes up

Maybe we have been talking to a player today, not his fault if it doesnt go through

It would be nice to get in another quality midfielder before the deadline but to be honest I am happy with the signings we have made, especially given the slow start we had when it didnt look like we were going to get anybody in

After reading the news that Fernandes is signing for Valencia, itcomes as a releif that we didn't get to go through with the deal. However good a player he is, if he wasn't able to wait to complete his move and just wanted to sign for the biggest bidder then good riddence. I would rather a player who actually wants to sign for the club than someone who sees the move as a stepping stone and obviously wasn't all that interested in joining in the first place.

 

Hopefully the Yakubu move is not example of Everton being stitched up again. Let's hope that the board do actually know what they and Mr. Moyes are doing by signing these type of players.

To be fair to Fernandes he was here on loan for half a season and told the board he would like to make it a permanent move and got no response from Everton.

The season finishes he says he would like to sign for Everton and the boards response was deadly silence. He waits all summer and still fuck all from the Everton board. Then mid August arrives the season has already started Everton finaly show an intrest so Manny pulls out of the Benfica squad for a Champions League game(something we cant offer by the way!) and flies in to join us and waits and waits and waits . Then all of a sudden Valencia come in with a bid and say we would love you to play for us Manny! No wonder he fucked off

Oh and a quote from Manny on SSN after he signed for Valencia

What happened with Everton are things that I know nothing about and what is most important now is that I am here," Fernandes said.

If Yakubu is so bad and lazy and with the complete wrong attitude why did "'arry" want to bring him back to portsmouth?

The same arry who dropped his interest in Yakubu because " the price was getting silly"?

But they did have it sorted out didn't they? The deal was being checked over by the premier league wasn't it? In which case it's the Premier league who are to blame, if they'd have approved it he'd have been signed in time to play Blackburn.

 

Just hate this mob handed easy target crap. If Fernandes (or anyone) doesn't want to play for us then there's fuck all anyone can do, he had a verbal agreement and he pissed off. Fuck him.

If they hadnt pissed about all summer they could have had it all sorted before the players came back for pre-season. Instead they fucked about until mid August before they decided to go for him

Im not really worried about the fernandes deal, we just gotta focus on the yukubu deal, thats gotta be the priority for us as its more of problem position. That said i would have liked fernandes back but ill get over it if we get yukubu.

Not much of a consolation prize, out of the two I would rather the Yakubu deal had fallen through

SSN have just confirmed that Manny has signed for them for £12.2M

He went back to Barcelona, said he was happy at Barcelona. There was still all the controversy over third party ownership going on so maybe we didn't want to get involved and risk being fined/points deducted. So once Manure use their influence (which we don't have) with the FA to sort out a way round the third party thing we move back in, do a deal, agree terms, do a medical....he's as good as ours while the FA check the small print. Then he fucks off. How is that the boards fault? How does that make us a laughing stock?

 

It's a shame but if he doesn't want to play for us then he can fuck off with my blessing.

 

Stubbed my toe getting out of bed this morning....can I blame Bill Kenwright and Davey Moyes please as everything is their fault? They're probably sitting counting their money laughing at me.

Well its not the boards fault for you stubbing your toe, I think thats down to you but its hardly surprising because you must be blind if you cant see that the board should have had this deal sorted a long time ago.

How come Man U can manage to sort out the Tevez deal in a couple of days yet we cant do it in a few months?

And before you point out the Tevez deal took months , the only delay was the dispute with West Ham and the thid party who owned him. Once that was sorted Man U moved SWIFTLY to tie up the deal

If anything they set the presedence for us and we still fucked it up

You cant blame the board for a player changing his mind but you can certainly point the finger at them for dithering for 4 months then losing out

I think you have to blame the board , they have had all summer to finalise the deal weve had him on loan for half a season and yet they only decided that they want him halfway through August.

They should have moved for him straight away as soon as the season finished if they had Valencia would not have been able to gazump us

Good old Everton they never fail to dissapoint. If there is anyway to fuck up a deal you can rest assured that Everton will find it.

They have had all summer to sort this out and once again they have dithered too long and lost out again.

I doubt we will get anyone decent in now with the window closing at the end of the week. Even if they did have someone else lined up it would take nine months to tie the deal up

They claimed that if the supporters refused this deal it would mean they would be in desperate trouble within five years.

The turnover for the club in the last 3 years has been between 56 and 59 million pounds mainly because of the 30 MILLION SKY TV MONEY, and the 20 MILLION GATE RECIEPTS EVERY SEASON.

And i have already stated this before but if Wyness is as you say, "an astute Businessman" why are we still 40 million in debt and where has all that money gone.

We re-mortgaged the debt (30 million) in 2003 and we pay it back PLUS INTEREST every year until the year 2018 by which time we will have paid 6O MILLION, twice as much. I have been asking why, with almost 60 million a season coming in since 2003 isnt a larger sum paid off that debt and cleared up as soon as poss 10 MILLION A YEAR WOULD HAVE SEEN THE BACK OF IT.

Something is not right at Everton and i get more and more worried as the years go by.

Are we actually £40M in debt?

Just never read or heard about it

Hey, Blackburn fan here and I have never posted on another teams forum before but today I feel I have to say something.

 

I respect Everton massively, I think they are a great side that represent true English football and command respect from any team. They did absoloutely brilliantly to break into the top 4 in 2005 and were so unlucky not to make proper CL football and I really felt for you when Liverpool ended up going through, I would have been devistated and I'm sure all of you were. You are a solid team throughout and are a top side defensively, and now with the additions of Johnson, Yakubu and Fernandes and the likes of Cahill and McFadden, you are a big threat in attack too. I feel that all the talk of Spurs making the top 4 is rubbish, but Everton are a good shout for making that top 4 again, unless we can stop you! You have a really genuine, respected manager in Moyes and his ambition and shrudeness in the transfer market and his tactical wit have brought you forward massively. Rather like Mark Hughes has done with us.

 

For all these reasons, today's game will be a big one, I feel that Rovers' biggest rivals in terms of who they are as good as, are Everton and if we could finnish above you, it would have been a great season for us.

 

I hope today that both teams put on a great performance but, I ofcourse hope Rovers take all 3 points - a point wouldn't be bad though!

 

Thanks for your time and no Red's or injuries today!

 

Steve

Cheers Mate

No offence but hope your lot have a bad day at the office today but good luck for the rest of the season !

I think we desperately need a win today or we will have all the doom and gloom merchants chirping off and what has been a relatively good start to the season could soon turn in to a bit of a mini crisis

A good win might just get everybody back behind the team and stop all the bickering. Well for a few hours or so at least!

In the couple of years he's been here he has sold everything there was to sell, so much so that EFC now own nothing at all, even the new training ground at finch farm (sold before it had even opened) was'nt spared, and we are still as much in debt now as we were before he came, if not more VERY ASTUTE BUSINESSMAN your havin a larf, you and i could have made a profit by now.

 

As you mentioned about corporate events... they might hold the Annual Christmas Party for the Tesco staff, but unless its a company that belongs to, or deals out of Kirkby or the people who already use Goodison, i think that would be it.

Cant see it drawing in any new corporate businesses arranging out of town functions when there is a nice shiny new stadium going up in the city.

 

I'm very concerned about the future of this Club and i hope i'm proved wrong.

Are we really in more debt now?

Is this another conspiracy theory or have you got any facts to back that up because that is certainly not what the club are claiming. The official line is that turnover is up by 68% since he took over.

Im not saying your wrong its just I havent heard anything about us being in more debt , everything I read anywhere else seems to point to the opposite being true

Quote from David Moyes on competition for places, yesterday afternoon;

“It will be but of course at the moment we don’t have Tim Cahill or James Vaughan to give me added competition but hopefully in the next few days we will have more competition from Manny Fernandes and Yakubu and we certainly will have a strong squad,”

 

just to put a few minds at ease.

It does put mine more at ease!

I think realistically that they are both in the bag already but with all things being Everton I wont be able to sleep easy until the official announcement

Im well pleased with all the new signings but its Leighton Baines for me .

I think he will be our first decent left back since Psycho Pat and I think he is better than him

just one point im gunna try to help out on here, we average about 36k at the moment in GP, but we have apparently over 4k of obstructed views. its only a guess, but i do think if we didnt have them obstructed views we would fill the extra seats.

but the stadium effect is known to last about 3years for increased capacity, but in this situation where fans are extremely split we could totally by-pass the stadium effect.

Very good point as there do seem to be a lot of people saying that thats them and Everton finished now.

I just hope that once the dust settles people might calm down, all this bickering amongst the fans cant be good for the club, but I can understand why people feel so strongly. I just feel differently myself I would watch Everton anywhere. I love Goodison as much as the next person but I cant understand how people can keep harping on about all the tradition of the place because surely they can see that we need to move. It is a grand OLD stadium and it is heaped in glorious tradition but the key word is OLD

No doubt this debate will roll on and an.

At the end of the day I think the new ground will generate more revenue one way or the other because it surely makes us a better proposition for potential investors.

Im hoping that success on the pitch will bring in more supporters than we lose, maybe I am being overly optomistic but only time will tell

Fair wooney.....""As has been said we wouldn't fill a 70,000 seater stadium, we would however get more than 40,000 people to most games due to the new stadium factor as well as (hopefully) more success in both the league and Europe.""

 

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Your missing the point i was making.

 

In order to make the extra 10 million pounds the club said the new ground will give them. You need to top 70.000, and 60.000 on a regular basis, just to achieve an average of 50.000, I pointed out that it is impossible with a ground that only holds 50.000.

 

And your point about the boxes being the money earners, they are all tied in to the Head count so for instance there will be 35.000 regular seats and 1000 people in the boxes which would give you a total attendance 36.000.

In my calculations in the previous post i averaged the price of a ticket at 30 pounds, which was a bit on the generous side but easier to calculate.

 

The only way to make a 50% increase in takings is to up the ticket price 50%, so in 3 or 4 years time when this shiny new stadium opens you might be paying 45 to 50 quid to get in, which in turn will knock a few thousand off the gate.

 

I know its a long time off, but if this ground even makes a seasonal average of 40.000 i will give the first person to point it out to me, a nice clean crisp ten pound note.

I dont think the the extra £10M will be coming from gate receipts alone. The extra exec boxes will bring more money in undoubtedly but the corporate facilities dont end there.

A new state of the art stadium could be used for other events not just once every other week and I reckon that will bring in a few bob I doubt the baord are nieve enough to price the fans out of going to the game.

Some people seem to perceive KW as some sort of big bad wolf, but do you really think that he hasnt thought this through? Like him or loathe him he seems to me to be a very astute buisnessman and not one that would make asuch a schoolboy error

So here we are on the eve of the most important decision in the history of our great club. As an avid Everton fan of 21 years (I am only 26) I really dont know which way to turn on this one. On one side we have the ageing Goodison Park with its fine history of being our home, the first major football stadium in England. It was the also the first British sports ground ever to have double-decker stands on all 4 sides the first English league ground to have undersoil heating. So where did it all go wrong. Of course anyone can see that it is more like a cattle shed these days but my question is this. "is it really worth all this fuss and change, moving out of the city and stopping Moyesy having the finances he's had this year. All for the sake of 10,000 seats and a nice bar for the players after the game".

I cant help thinking that its a rather short sighted soloution to a long running problem. Do people think we are going to compete with the 65-70'000+ that Chelsea, Man Utd and Arsenal have the cappacity for?

 

Let me know what you think im open to all opinions.

Ever heard of corporate facilities?

Didn't Mo Jo wear number 9. Always thought he was overated .I'm surprised he scored 10 goals for us.

No way was he the worst , at least he got a winner against Man U at Old Trafford

You either realy dont get my issue or you being smug.

 

Imagin you passed your driving test and your awl fella took you out to buy a car (new stadium), you know fook all about cars and he takes you right to the skoda garage (Kirkby), refuses to let you look in any other garages (anywhere in liverpool) and tells you the skoda is the best car available. You buy the skoda because daddy said so!

 

Have you got the best car or were you led down the garden path into something you were told was the best deal for you even though you didnt know any different?

 

That's what BK has just done to the majority of Evertonians, Kirkby suits him because the ground work has been done and he's mates with the Tesco bloke but easy & deliverable or not nobody knows weather that offer can be bettered and now he has the say so of the fans the deal can be signed any time!!

Heres one for uou.

Say having passed your driving test on your 17th birthday your awl fella said heres £8000 go and get yourself a car(financial package sorted) but your uncle says dont do that one day you might win the pools and be able to get yourself a top of the range Austin Martin. (no financial package)

So you take his advice and wait to win the pools , meanwhile all your mates pass there tests and go on to buy their own cars (Getting left behind) and you drift apart because you have now all got different interests ( possibly relegation)

Then on your 70th Birthday you still havent won the pools and so no Austin Martin you think back and wonder what life might have been like had you bought that car afterall

Are you trying to say that LCC have only been aware that Everton are looking to move from Goodion about 3 weeks ago, I am fairly sure they have been aware of this long before Knowsely or Tesco's had even thought about Everton relocating.

 

I can just see it now in LCC offices three weeks ago- "A vote? when? on what?, Everton are looking for a site of a new Stadium?"-

 

Sorry, not getting in to the Yes - No debate again (that has now gone)

 

What I am saying is by having a 'vote' our stadium move is likly to have be discussed and debated more than any other new stadium project in the country.

 

I know some people are paronoined that the Board have a hidden agenda. (Not a lot anybody can do about that) As I said this was a vote more on confidnece in the board than anything else. I know some don't trust the board - but one thing that sticks with me is that we where given a vote - and this is definately NOT normal practice. If the board where that keen to push this through, railroad the project, or have hidden agenda they could have simply just got on with it without a vote. So a lot of negative stuff aimed towards the board just doesn't wash with me.

 

I really can't see how people can call them underhanded when the put the whole proposal on the line with a vote.

 

I know I will get back all the - "It was fixed" or "we where just given the vote so we only have ourselves to blame". But heard all that before.

 

The biggest thing that saddens me is that following a democratic vote in to looking further at going to Kirby - within an hour some are already saying - well wasn't the result I wanted, I am never going to set foot in there. Are we really that childish.

I agree mate the way this forum is going its only going to be a matter of time before the theory that BK was the man on the grassy knoll with KW driving the getaway car when JFK was shot!

I dont care where we play ONCE A BLUE ALWAYS A BLUE

Sitting inbetween the lads at the back of the gwladys with their bird diluting the atmosphere because they want to be part of it but refuse to generate it!!

Think its a bit presumptuous to think you are a better blue than anyone who voted yes just because its a different opinion than yours

You make some fair points but thats a joke lad how can you call a proposal that's been allowed no time to develope "half baked"? They need to gather all the info to make a decent pitch and you cant do that in a few weeks. If they published a plan without the necissary info (like everton have!) that would be half baked but taking a few weeks to prepare an informative proposal is the way it should be done and that time frame was a godsend to the club because they could push through a rushed vote to try and kill off any opposition.

 

I have a sneeky feeling the board will rush trough finalising the Kirkby deal to kill of the loop proposal before it grows and when that happens you will see how underhanded they have been.

Fair point but I dont really feel that the club is to blame, the LCC has had plenty of time to come up with a decent proposal and they have failed big time and I think thats where people should be venting their anger.

If those of you who feel that they can no longer support the club then fair enough that your perogative but i think the rest of us need to get behind the team now.

I do think it is worth perceviering with your Loop Campaign if you truly beleive it is the best way forward.

If you could back up the plan with hard facts as to where the money is going to come from , if it meets the safety standards etc then Im sure if there was an overwhelming feeling amongst supporters to do a u turn then Im sure we could make it happen.

All the yes vote has done is allow us to move forward in the meantime

I'v just got back from some quiet time in an empty room at work (the bog) and it's over for me at home, we're treated like shit left right and centre and now even the very top management have turned on us.

 

Make no mistake the 10,000 no voters are the heart and soul of this football club, the fans who sing til their voices go and leave with headaches, travel the length of the country for every away game & sat in and got rid of Johnson when it mattered. I go to most of the away matches and I can say with confidence those few thousand fans are all feeling like me right now :(

 

It's a joke how we can vote to move knowing another offer is just around the corner and could quite easily be a far better deal!!

So where does that leave the 15000 that voted yes?