eddie blue

Give all at the club a chance.....and those fans you think will avoid Goodison park if things dont go are way......

 

We can all agree that we havent made the best start to the season but not lets all jump on the bandwangon and start slagging evertone off for defeats against Arsenal n Man .... we havent even played them yet......

 

I for one wont aboandon the blues should we loose are next two games... Im sure that would be a time where they need our support more than ever....

well said,thats two of us who are not giving up!!!!!!!!

Name names, Steve..................................... Its getting to the point where some will start asking for his head.

 

What was it last week, yes I'll sign by the weekend, this week it will be after the intwernational break, he is lying through the back of his teeth and he thinks we the fans will just accept any bloody thing he says, HE IS NOT IRREPLACEABLE

 

What gets me is he keeps making so many fucking stupid excuses, I've been concentrating on team matters is a belter, what fucking team is that. Bloody hell £65,000 a week for cocking up, my arse.

 

By the way did you notice that Manny is scoring at will for Valencia, skippering that side and getting rave reviews, and Moyes didn't want him for how much?

we are not saying he is irreplaceable no-one is, it is just some of us do not want him to go could you answer this question? would you sack him to-day?On Manny, along with a lot of Evertonians i have seen nearly every game he played for us,i did like him, but opinion was very split between us, i personally would not have taken a gamble on him, an awfull lot of people were just not sure of him and the number of times he played for us, he should have convinced us totally that he deserved a contract. also interestingly no premiership club came in for him.

After this pathetic start to the season, our managers continued contractual dispute and on going rumours about the club is going into foreign ownership have we become a club in crisis

 

IMO we are bordering on that now if not already there, another couple of defeats and we will be as what confidence is left in the players and the fans will have dissipated completely, especially if those defeats are heavy (Utd and Arsenal are up next by the way).

 

Assuming the worst happens what do we do then apart from panic and what blame does the manager take in all of this?

 

Discuss

Before you all hang Moyes, can we not wait to see what the next few results will be, it is as if you cannot wait to hang him.once again i say lets judge him at the end of the season. i think we owe him that for all he has done for us.by the way in crisis was what the club was in until Moyes came.just remember what it was like when he took over. now that was a CRISIS.which he averted.

Carl. we are up to our eyes in debt, Messi wouldn't touch us with a barge pole even if we offered him twice that so there is no weight to your argument at all.

 

Is Moyes worth that type of money, he would need to have won us something, to have won a game of note year in year out and he hasn't. I had hoped that we had done with his roller coaster seasons, I thought there was light at the end of the tunnel, there isn't. At present he is the manager of a team with one of the poorest defences in the COUNTRY, not just the prem, what cup runs have we had, last years Carling cup was a joke as soon as we got put against a big club we were beaten embarrassingly so. This seasons form is nothing new, remember the atrocious display against Florentine in Florence, his derby record is shameful yet you and other put him on a pedestal that he doesn't deserve. I used to be like you but after this lot he has lost my support totally.

 

Can you tell me why he won't tell us all what the problem has been with the contract, what does it matter if he is going to sign now.............................it is constant change of excuse none of it rings true to me. Is he worth £65,000 a week, no possibly about £40/45,000 which may be about average. I am now certain that Moyes cannot take us forward because he doesn't know how simple as that.

I don't get it. Moyes is a brilliant manager, he halved the age of our squad, got us european football, cemented us as one of the best teams outside ther top 4, and made us stronger for it. To Jimmy the Blue, Moyes has the talent and capability to take us into the top 4.

 

It's never going to be easy, and i remember looking on here the other day and someone posted a load of comments from this time last year, when everybody moaned about our defence, how we were shit and wouldn't get anything out of the year, liege was dissapointing BUT, now we have one focus: 4th. It can be done, we did it before, I'm shocked at the lack of faith on here and the instant something goes wrong Moyes has to go. I love moyes as our manager, i think at present there's noone who can do better for us, and i think everyone needs to take a breather and give it a few games before deciding that he's not good enough anymore.

 

Seriously, just relax. We're hardly out of the running are we?

Thank fuck someone else sticking up for Moyes i cannot believe the stick he is getting once again GET OFF HIS BACK COYB

R.I.P MATE. A PRAYER FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY TO-NIGHT FROM ALL BLUES REST IN PEACE

As always you are happy with what you've got I want better for EFC that is the difference between us

[/quote And your answer to it all Alan Irvine !!! i rest my case

Just seen MOYES on sky will sign possibly by the weekend, listen to what he says, and then can we close this topic and get back to supporting MOYES AND THE TEAM

In my book his words are as vacuous as they could be, he is suggesting his salary is acceptable but he wants cash assurances on money for transfers, that is bollocks. The board cannot possibly give him those assurances and he must know that. Kenwright is trying to sell the club, he hasn't got the personal wealth, and after all the shit thats has been thrown his way, the inclination, to pump any of his money into the club so what guarantees can the club give him, none so he leaves his team in the air and the fans in no mans land. The jury is still out on the £15 mil he spent on one player this term, a player who would not have been eligible for Europe until the new year

 

My main concern about him now, as said earlier, he cannot take us to the next level, his tactics are always found wanting every time. Check his record against the big four, three euro qualifications is all well and good twice we've been knocked out at the first attempt. Last season we were nearly out early on and then rolled over in Florence. He persists with Arteta taking every dead ball and he's become one of the worst dead ball kickers I've seen but Moyes does bugger all. Yes he shows loyalty but that is not enough we need to win something not see our dreams smashed year in and year out. The little lad next door, who I converted into being a blue said to me before, 'I don't want to support Everton any more they always get beat' try telling youngsters these arguments it means nothing. Managers are judged by results and Moyes efforts have been crap this season, and to wards the end of last term.

My little lad is 8 he does not like getting beat,but he is like me. LOYAL TO EVERTON AND THE BEST MANAGER WE HAVE HAD SINCE KENDALL my lad is a blue and will remain a blue all his life, ive seen the good and bad times he has only seen the bad,yet his first words this morning were Moyes wont go will he? how could we replace him ? he cant wait for Sunday nor can i,we are going to cheer mOYES and the team and hopefully see them win we could be 2 or 3three points off a champions league spot then, that might not be to bad to look at on Monday morning MOYES MUST STAY

I understand what you mean. What's done is done. Moyes has had a bad summer and he needs to accept that, and I think he has. And I think that we need to snatch off the hand of Ambani and get some quality stars into the team (Messi, Kaka, Hargreaves) and start to challenge for the title of the Premier League.

 

We need to stick with the team - we need to show our support and live up to our reputation of the best supporters in the league. Following them all the way - COYB.

GOOD MAN

We may not have become a crap team but the main problem is that we haven't made any progress. We haven't made any efforts to get our team better. We haven't built on our good performances and made ourselves a force again, we needed to get more players to adapt to the new teams strengths. We should have bought players, we should have focused more, we should have done it completely differant and this is why we are stuck in this mess. It's going to be hard against Liege but I'm hoping we can get something from this.

i agree a lot of the problems were caused by the inability to sign players earlier plus injuries have not helped but we do have a good squad and over the next few months we will see a really good side we need to be patient i know it is hard but this is when the supporters are so important to the team COYB

Have faith,we are not as bad as everyone seems to think,we have got most of the players from last season,who finished fifth,we have not become a crap team. BELIEVE!!!!! RESULTS WILL GET BETTER WE WILL WIN TONIGHT COYB

Bill, that is the case at many clubs, a managerial career is far longer than a playing one, we need value for money and have not been getting it from Moyes. The fact that players aren't earning their bread is down to the manager at the end of the day. The claimed wage deal for Moyes is the equivalent of about £4 per spectator for every home game over the next five years yet as Oz says he is being greedy while the team goes to pot, we couldn't be doing much worse if he was on strike. I have supported david Moyes because I always believed he had the best interests of the club at heart, it seems I was wrong.

Have you thought about judjing him at the end of the season, by the way, im happy that £4 per home ticket is paying his wages, we are unrecognisable from the team he took over, have you forgotten we finished fifth last season do you realise how hard this was and how many clubs would give anything to get that position.COYB

Im not having that, underrated steve ask someone who knows's a bit about football who isnt an evertonian what they think of phil neville, he trys hard and he does actually want to win but technically he's one of the worst players I have watched at Goodison in the last 5 years, thats my honest opinion, I dont no if you like him hoofing the ball up to no one at least 5 times everygame but tbh im fed up of it, his positional play is a joke, it seems everytime we concede a goal its down his side.

 

most underrated player in are team now? Jagielka or Pienaar.

Look at what he has won you cannot win all those trophies if you are a bad player no team could carry a player that long my underated player would be Osman or Neville

Just announced Cahill lost his appeal what a suprise

I know its only the Daily Mirror but to-day they reckon he is in talks with B.K. you never know could happen COYB

Patronising me, it was you two who started the TRUE BLUE lark, read the thread. Blind faith is just what it says blind. If you are happy that very supporter who goes to a home game over the next five years will be paying about £4 a head per match to afford his wages then you need locking up simple. By the way the economy is shaping the big wage bubble is bursting all over the world yet you want us to commit to that, madness pure madness. Incidentally when SAF took over at Utd they were down and out, and broke so yes it can be done.

I DO HOPE JIMMY THAT YOU WERE AT THE GAME TO-DAY AND NOT SITTING AT HOME WATCHING IT ON THE TELE!!!!!

I might go with Valente he is very experienced and might just settle the back four down i would also start defensive with one up front just to get a foothold and try not to concede and gain confidence as the game goes on heres hoping!!!! COYB

I don't think I am 'having a larf' - how do you think SAF would have done any better in the league with Moyes budget restrictions? Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Utd, Chelsea, Villa, now Man City, Newcastle all outspend us big time yet we still punch above our weight in the league (one season aside) under Moyes, we overachieve. SAF has millions upon millions to spend, no denying he is a fantastic manager, possibly the best ever, but I very much doubt he would have done any better than Moyes at Everton, I don't think it's possible in the league certainly. Wenger hasn't won anything for years and look at the talent he's had at his disposal. There's no denying Moyes cup record has not been good enough, but unkind draws have not helped and when you look at the FA Cup, last year aside no one outside the big 4 had won it in years. On paper we can't compete against the top 4, we shouldn't even be close, yet consistently under Moyes we've been there or thereabouts and even gatecrashed the top 4 one season against all odds.

 

The bottom line is, Moyes is worth whatever the club will pay him - not what you personally think. You don't even know what he's been offered, what clauses are in there, what guarantees, you basically know nothing apart from speculation yet you have a go at him. The club know they can't afford to lose Moyes but at the same time they can't pay money that is too unreasonable, it's a balancing act - it's called bargaining and compromise. I personally think Moyes hasn't signed the deal because he's getting a little fed up and wants to see what transfer assurances/finances he has in place in the future and also he wants to see if any bigger clubs come in for him (which is unlikely at the moment, although Spurs may if their results don't improve). He's given us over 4 years service and done a brilliant job year on year, if he walked out now I'd still have the utmost respect for him, he's served his time and he deserves more respect than he's getting from fans like you.

Carl SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE BLUE.You will have a hard job convincing the doom and gloom merchants though,god help us if we dont win to-morrow or Thursday they will want Moyes hanged,we get more stick off our own fans than the red shite give us im like you if Moyes goes i wont blame him but fuck knows how we could replace him COYB

That is a load of puerile nonsense. According to your theory if David Moyes asked for £25 mil over four years you'd pay it, God help us all. As I have already said I could not give a sod what other clubs do I'm a Blue, born one and happily die one but when I see my club being ripped off I shout and that is what your little hero is doing. Tell me why he hasn't signed if he has the welfare of the club at heart. By the way once we sign that contract we will be duty bound to pay it even if the team does not improve. What is he haggling about, does he want a bigger parking space, does he require a personal arse licker, what is wrong with what is in front of him now and don't mention ambition, my club has always and will always be bigger than David Moyes or his own ambitions.

 

Comparing him to SAF, you're havin a larf

[/quote I GIVE UP.

I used to be full of unbridled optimism, just like you, then I grew up

you sound like a very bitter man, i think you are very envious of the money Moyes has been offered i say good luck to him he has ability ,hard working and if he keeps us improving he is worth every penny he gets. You really have got it in for him ,he will prove you wrong!!!!i.I SUPPORT MY CLUB AND MANAGER

So let me get this straight jimmy, we should not pay Moyes what he wants based purely on 6 games this season, rather than the past 4 years of constant improvement, overachieving in the league, total transformation both in quality and age of the first team and altering people's perceptions of the club in general? that seems to be what you're saying to me, which in my opinion, is absolutely insane and a total knee jerk reaction to our start to the season (which after all is only 5 league games in). I agree with nearly everything you say normally, but your comments in this thread are a disgrace, how any fans can be so fickle is beyond me, I knew that gratitude and loyalty were in short supply among players these days but is it any wonder when the fans are no better. If Moyes did go and we get some total div in like Allardyce and we plummet back to lower table obscurity then it is the fans like you who are to blame. Whether he is worth £65k a week may be open to debate, but the more pressing question is can we afford not to pay it and run the risk of having to replace Moyes with most likely someone of vastly inferior quality? One word, no.

 

Maybe Utd shouldn't pay Ferguson what he wants either, I mean they've only signed one player and are below us in the league.

 

the only way Moyes is going is if he walks and the way the mood is around the whole club this season it wouldn't surprise me. Don't get me wrong, it's up to the players to get the mood lifted, but I think the fans need to get behind everyone at this moment in time, pull together and try and drag the players out of their slumber, rather than taking pot-shots at players, at the manager, at the Chairman.

Well said agree with all of above COYB ^_^ ^_^ ^_^

I don't subscribe to this beating of the rs is everything idea, our season should be based on beating the likes of Blackburn, Hull, Pompey, er yes thats right we didn't. Even if we win on Saturday, and that is a very big IF, it will not eradicate my memories of some inept displays by players who seem totally demotivated so far this term, it is fair to say wTF is going on

Doom and Gloom. When we beat the shite we will be bouncing,you are allready saying you will be thinking of gloom lighten up, hope my seat is not near you on saturday, if we were 4-0 up you sound to me you would still moan.im going to enjoy watching my team and support them all like i allways have,get behind the team and manager COYB

I already have. On what basis do you think he is earning the money at present and remember once we sign we have to pay no matter what happens to the team

so thats your solution Alan Irvine WOW that would really set Goodison alight, but he only costs 1 million a year you cry, :crying_anim02: the season has only just started. Man u are below us, Fergie is not earning his 5 million sack him, bring in Paul Ince.How about judging him later on in the season.stability is why we have been getting in EUROPE under Moyes and not fighting relegation or have you forgotten what it was like before Moyes got a grip

Slow down there mate, why label me and others in the Moyes out brigade, read the thread its about if he is worth the new contract, at present he is not no matter what you say, as manager HIS squad is under performing badly yet he wants his wages tripled, economic nonsense. You try and ask your boss for a rise with results like he has had and he'd sack you.

 

Are you happy with our team being booed off the pitch and the manager blaming the players, he needs to take a good look at himself, they are his tactics yet he takes no blame but a bl;oody get pay deal

You do not think he deserves the money he is asking for.you are B.K what will you do? tell Moyes no this is what we think you are worth take it or leave it. Moyes leaves who will you get to replace him? i would suggest we would require an experienced manager name him!