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#1 thebluenose

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Posted 21 Sep 2006 - 13:42

would you be happy if there was no choice but to play hughes in the first team lets say if 3 of our centrehalves get injured

so would you be happy with a hughes and lescott partnership in the league if we had to. just a thought i had
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Posted 21 Sep 2006 - 13:45

Dont think he's ready to hold his own every week but it wouldnt bother me if he were named to start.

Playing next to Yobo could be an issue tho he's too eratic & not as dominant as he should be with his experience!
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Posted 21 Sep 2006 - 15:08

HUGHES & LESCOTT looked a well solid pairing against P/boro, and if injuries meant they were the only two left, i wouldnt be nervous about Hughes starting.

I dont go along with all this "He's too young" malarky, for the simple reason that 18 year old men are dying in wars all over the world.
If they are old enough to go to war, surely they are old enough to play a game of football. He looked a very good player to me, and well capable of doing the job. IMO.
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Posted 21 Sep 2006 - 15:47

Id happily have him and Lescott as our centre back pairing, it wouldnt worry me in slightest
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Posted 21 Sep 2006 - 16:09

I dont go along with all this "He's too young" malarky, for the simple reason that 18 year old men are dying in wars all over the world. 
If they are old enough to go to war, surely they are old enough to play a game of football. He looked a very good player to me, and well capable of doing the job. IMO.
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Dont think its as straightforward as that. There is a reason why Wenger wont get Walcott to start for Arsenal regularly. There's a reason why Messi, too was bought slowly into the Barca squad(yes, i know, he's still only 19. but listen me out anyway). Everyone knew that these two players are going to probably be world superstars in the future but still they are only being bedded in slowly.

Some of these lads may have the quality to fight it out but not the physical structure at 17-18-19 years old. It might shatter their confidence if the dont do well, or god forbid get injured..
The others arent mentally equipped to handle the pressure of the premiership.

It wouldnt be wise to start such players unnecessarily. Huge risk.

But, if the boys (at 18, they are boys really) are both mentally AND physically equipped to handle the frustration of a Drogba dive and then physical wrestling for a long ball, or a Gerrard full blooded challenge (non-malicious though :P ) or a Ricardo Carvalho physical bollocking, i see no reason why the should be started.

I hope i've put my point forth, clear enough.
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Posted 21 Sep 2006 - 16:12

Dont think its as straightforward as that. There is a reason why Wenger wont get Walcott to start for Arsenal regularly. There's a reason why Messi, too was bought slowly into the Barca squad(yes, i know, he's still only 19. but listen me out anyway). Everyone knew that these two players are going to probably be world superstars in the future but still they are only being bedded in slowly.

Some of these lads may have the quality to fight it out but not the physical structure at 17-18-19 years old. It might shatter their confidence if the dont do well, or god forbid get injured..
The others arent mentally equipped to handle the pressure of the premiership.

It wouldnt be wise to start such players unnecessarily. Huge risk.

But, if the boys (at 18, they are boys really) are both mentally AND physically equipped to handle the frustration of a Drogba dive and then physical wrestling for a long ball, or a Gerrard full blooded challenge (non-malicious though :P ) or a Ricardo Carvalho physical bollocking, i see no reason why the should be started.

I hope i've put my point forth, clear enough.

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Pfffffft as if thets ever gona happen! ;)
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Posted 21 Sep 2006 - 16:14

I would raise an eyebrow or two and be a little concerned, but wouldn't lose sleep over Hughes playing.

As for Xav, one word ROONEY, at 16 he has the mental toughness and physique of a man 5 years his senior.

If you're good enough you're old enough.

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Posted 21 Sep 2006 - 16:14

@Goldfish
I knew that was coming. ;)

He's a fair player, in all honesty. :P

Edited by xavier, 21 Sep 2006 - 16:15.

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Posted 21 Sep 2006 - 16:18

I would raise an eyebrow or two and be a little concerned, but wouldn't lose sleep over Hughes playing.

As for Xav, one word ROONEY, at 16 he has the mental toughness and physique of a man 5 years his senior.

If you're good enough you're old enough.

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See, that only fortifies my point. I've clearly stated that, if physically and mentally a 17 year old can handle the game, i've got no qualms in giving him regular games.

But thats not the case usually. Not everyone's the same. Rooney's an exception, he's incredibly strong.

A normal 17 year old bloke isnt. Probably a reason, why that 16-17 year old icelandic kid of yours never got a start even when there were injuries to players in the middle of midfield.
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Posted 21 Sep 2006 - 16:24

@Goldfish
I knew that was coming. ;)

He's a fair player, in all honesty. :P

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Posted 21 Sep 2006 - 16:25

Dont want to go out of topic, but he's had his dumb moments. Definately.

But, its usually a rush of blood whilst going for a 50-50 than intentional intent to injure someone.
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Posted 21 Sep 2006 - 16:34

I think that picture above shows his intention quite clearly
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Posted 21 Sep 2006 - 16:34

no he wanted to take out naysmith so liverpool could go straight through us.

what was worse is that he should have been sent off and banned for 10 games for that challenge. but no he didnt.
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Posted 21 Sep 2006 - 16:44

Stevie G can't even injure a player properly. Naysmith continues to dissapoint and confound us.

Xav, I withdraw my previous comment. :P

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Posted 21 Sep 2006 - 16:49

Ah, the naysmith one was a bit of a horror. I forgot bout that one.
But i still hold to my opinion that Gerrard is a very clean player.

Back to the topic, is this Hughes fella a local lad? whats his forte
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Posted 21 Sep 2006 - 16:51

hughes is a local lad. he is a centre back who is good in the air and can use both his feet well when passing and clearing.

give him some experience and time and hell be a dare i say it john terry esque player
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Posted 21 Sep 2006 - 16:51

Hes from Kirkby, has been in Moyes mind for a while now
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Posted 21 Sep 2006 - 16:52

Ah, the naysmith one was a bit of a horror. I forgot bout that one.
But i still hold to my opinion that Gerrard is a very clean player.

Back to the topic, is this Hughes fella a local lad? whats his forte

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Centre half from Kirkby in Knowlsley just on the outskirts of Liverpool he's looking good IMO.
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Posted 21 Sep 2006 - 17:02

There's a reason why Messi, too was bought slowly into the Barca squad(yes, i know, he's still only 19. but listen me out anyway).

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sorry Xav, i have to jump on this one.

Messi didnt come into the Barca team as they have a limit on non EU players in Spain, but he was playing regular European games. as soon as he got Spanish citizenship he was free to play, and has barely been dropped since.

back to Hughes, i was quite impressed with him. btu didnt Moyes release him, then sign him again?
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Posted 21 Sep 2006 - 17:09

sorry Xav, i have to jump on this one.

Messi didnt come into the Barca team as they have a limit on non EU players in Spain, but he was playing regular European games. as soon as he got Spanish citizenship he was free to play, and has barely been dropped since.

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If thats true, then its completely my mistake. But the game in Spain isnt as physical as in england.

You've got lads who arent getting games. We are in the same position. Most of us wanted Paul Andersen to start on the right wing, late last season when we didnt have any one to play on the right. Rafa never started him. We now know why. He isnt ready to swallow the physical part of the game. We noticed that in the F.A. Youth cup which was live on tv. Managers are smart, they know when to play a player and when not to.
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Posted 21 Sep 2006 - 23:16

i recon a player of Messi's quality could hack the physical side, has to cut out his diving thou.

we've seen how different players react to the physical step up. ie, when Rooney came through for us he was big enough and strong enough to cope with it, when Gerrard came up for you guys..... well i believe Fishy posted a picture of how he reacted to the physical side of the game.

if anyone saw the West Brom game on the last day last season they would have seen Victor get hacked down at pace, get up and laugh at the player who did it, i recon he'll hack it
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