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this is a very popular section of TT, long may it continue

we've had months to sign players, what makes you think the last two weeks will be any different? were not even being linked to players anymore. only a bad sign to me, hope im wrong

i think he would make a difference. jack done well, but a young lad shouldnt have to carry that burden until he has got more time to settle in, besides, he is still another being played out of position. jack has always been a defender and im pretty sure he'll end up there eventually.

im not gunna say lescott played well by any means, but he also saved us a couple of times, one priceless block when howard looked beaten. i think its gunna take him a few games back in the middle with yobo to get back to the partnership we had a couple of seasons back. its mostly frustrating when you see how good football we can play, like for yaks goal. we should be pushing on this season, shambles

sergio mota, jefferson farfan, oscar ustari, francois clerk, moutinho

i dont think lescott isnt that good in centre defence, i think the problem is that we played him out of position for so long its probably effected his game a fair bit. i dont think yobo is fit, he looked tired and slow, i know he missed a lot of preseason due to what happened, but we should have enough players to cover if he isnt fit. i think your spot on about the midfield, we need an impossing figure when we dont have the ball and a composed, inspirational figure when we do have it. mbia and moutinho would have been ideal, but whats happening there i dont think even moyes knows. we might have to do what we always do and wait for tim cahill to pull us out of the shit

missing carsley today

we were very lucky just to lose 3-2. was poor very poor, baxter looked lively when he came on, rodwell did well considering he has been thrown in. the defence was 6 & 7s. the shite want rid of alonso, go make a bid

yep, gone from only players who will improve the team, down to players who are alive and actually up and running

50 years ago everton had more than 16 pros, and more than ten of them were match fit

moyes has said today we might have to lower our standards

very open interview with DM on the official site, but does not make good reading

ah sorry, i thought you meant greed on the fans part. arshavin has been priced well out, and i guess marseile just dont want to sell cana

dont confuse negativity and frustration with not backing the club. there are many varied views around here of the current state of EFC but we all back the club through thick and thin. the faith is often hard to keep. the worrying thing for me is moyes looks and sounds just as worried as the fans

i too have no wish to fall out with anybody, ive been around here long enough to know we can all have healthy debate without getting personal or falling out. KEIOC are not for staying at Goodison necessarily, thats GFE, keioc are for getting the truth out of the club, which we did not get the first time around. surely you can see jim that the club lied to us about the kirkby development? you must have seen the lies about the figures quoted? the lies about transport? and you cant be happy with the club lying to you?

if you read through that whole toffeeweb article, pretty much all the bullet pointed issues are ones we have now with BK, especially the stadium ones. people seem to forget the mess the club was in when johnson bought it compared to the mess when he sold it.

everton have never had an average of 70k plus, fact. if you have any knowledge of money you would know it is not good business sense to pay for something you do not own, double it and your just askin for trouble. fratton park is being sold, after the new owner put a lot of money into solent stadium, fact. the supporters do want a move, but not just any old half arsed idea they come up with, they want the best option available to the club when all routes have been looked at. im dissappointed in any evertonian who does not expact the best for this club, and the kirkby move was not the best Peter Johnson was a Tranmere fan

who is a red shite?

absolutely spot on there jim. he was also lucky the police didnt charge him

you think moyes wanted the kirkby move?

the simple fact is also kirkby would have had us paying a mortgage on the new stadium that we didnt own, whilst also paying the motgage on Goodison which we wouldnt have owned anymore, we would have had a slowly decreasing fan base in the long term, a stadium in which the fans would struggle to access whilst no one wanted to invest in the park and ride system, no one wanted to invest in the increase of public transport into kirkby (trains the major one) the town was to be a no park area, i can keep going. or if you like, maybe just read into the facts of the planning proposal on the KBC website and its all there in black and white. i assume your a BK supporter, but please andswer me this, what has BK done for EFC? im not talking about what Moyes has done, we know what Moyes has done, what has BK done? and your simple fact, that we are not prospective in GP, why did Gaydemark invest all that money into pompy when fratton park is in a hell of a worse state than GP. and what exactly are KEIOC guilty of? if that vote was brought out with the facts on the table as they are now, they wouldnt even come close

we all know the problem, if he cant get the players in he isnt going to want to sign

then id have no problem with them sueing him either. the players should know in their priveleged position if they take this route its going to cost them

there was mention of his contract, he just said its straight forward, just pushing along nicely

id have liked to see how Gregg would have done if he wasnt forced out of the club with BKs horrible misleading of the fans with Fortress Sports Fund. BK has always said he will sell the club, but there have been people enquired about the club to not get a response from BK, one name to mention was a group of bluenose friends led by David McLean (of McLean Homes) who registered interest with BKs secretary on three occasions not to get a reply or even a phone call from BK. i have mentioned this before here but people tend not to believe me. BK wants investors, not buyers, he wants people who will let him carry on being the figure head he so much likes to be. he may have been in charge while Moyes turned the club around, but to me, i will see him as no better then Peter Johnson, BK has over seen the sale of all the clubs assets and put us in the worst financial situation the club has ever been in. Johnson wasnt perfrect, but he had vision and the money to back it up. BK has hired a manager and got lucky, Johnson hired managers and had less luck. i'll probably get shot down for this by people who see PJ as the devil and BK as some sort of saint.