paul

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Thank you!

Where are we going to find all these extra rowdy people though? Yes we will have a higher attendance at the new stadium, but most of the time GP is quiet. Gwladys street isn't that big, so if a home end that is bigger than the current one needs to be filled first you won't have enough left over rowdy fans to be sat in the other end. It will just be full of regular fans, like the other two sides. If that wasn't the case the Park End would be much louder now. But it's not.

 

Either way, the new ground will have one single definitive home end.

You actually don't need that many rowdy fans. 30-50 will do to generate a noise, perhaps even less. You then have fans who like to join in with noise, followed by others who get caught up in the moment. Ticketing, and not just pricing structures, can ensure that the rowdy fans can congregate.

Also the numbers of rowdy fans can fluctuate through time. Plus rowdy fans can be encouraged or discouraged by where they are, and the behaviour of those around them..

Now, even if one end does have all the ones who generate a regular noise, you can still have atmosphere generated in the other end that is generated when the team attacks them. The Park End has it's best atmospheres when the team attacks that end second half. it gets fans on their feet which leads to a better atmosphere. If that stand was shallower meaning fans stood more often, then it would generate more noise more often.

One end may produce more great atmospheres, but you still want to get the most out of the other end to produce great atmospheres. The right design and ticketing encourages greater atmospheres, flaws in designs means it's harder to get atmospheres.

There aren't enough fans for two rowdy ends. If you took half the fans from the lower gwladys and sat them in the park end tomorrow you would end up with two stands not making as much noise as one.

As no one else has tried it in over 100 years of football stadium development maybe there is good reason for that.

There will be one stand more consistently noisier than the other, that will house the younger rowdier lads at it's heart (price structure can sort that out), but it's more about maximising the potential noise from the other stand.

Teams attacking an End lifts that stands atmosphere, it makes a huge difference. You get fans on their feet from an attack for prolonged moments, that gets them more riled up, good atmospheres inspire more good atmospheres. A good quality design there will maximise the noise potential from them too.

If a second half in a big match we're attacking the other end we want the best possible noise from them to inspire a team, we don't want to give the other team any respite. The more good atmospheres there are the more it encourages fans to be rowdier. Quiet grounds breed quiet behaviour.

I don't like the idea of two home ends. It would dilute one end. There are no famous clubs with two home ends, because it just wouldn't be enough. Spurs home end has a capacity of 16,000 I think. That will be great, but you couldn't have two that size.

 

I think the site itself is a very big footprint but I'm not sure.

I disagree. The fact there are no famous clubs with two home ends is even more of a reason to do it.

I cannot see how it will dilute one end neither? A good stand is as such does everything to encourage and maximise noise from fans in there. You will have one stand with more younger fans in one end so one will be better than another but you still want the other end to be designed to get the best out of fans there too.

About the footprint, the place as a whole is big, but the section given for a stadium very well may not be. I expect it is because there is sense is us being at the back of the dock so you pass all the retail outlets to get to the stadium.

For me Mike the way to make that happen is the other three stands being two or three tier stands, one end being a tall single tier. Safe standing could really liven that up too. But the one stand being different to the rest can make it significant. Spurs are trying it with their home end too.

Aside from that, I like what he's saying. I like that they are looking at it differently. I can't wait to see how it looks.

I like the idea of the large single tier home end in between two stands with two or three tiers, but we're missing a huge opportunity by not having both home ends as massive single tiers.

Elstone made reference to there being a small footprint?

Is it a small footprint or is area of the footprint given for our stadium too small? Are we shoved at the back to make way for retail space?

Yes it's been hacked, it's been printing stories that we've been signing loads of talented players for millions. As if we'd fall for that.

Cameron's been rebuffed at the EU meeting over asking about trying to control numbers coming into the country. I agree with Cameron on this one but he's far too late on it. By us they're taking away green belt land to fit in a load high priced shoe boxes for people to live in and house prices are strangling families, and schools are building prefabs to cope with the extra demand.

Also pay has been stagnant for a good few years in my job and working conditions deteriorated in other jobs because people are easily replaced. That may be great for the capitalist economy but it's not great for many of us workers on the lower end of the pay scale. But were told hey you've got a job haven't you. You wonder what's the point though when after all your costs you're left with £15 a week to spend on yourself.

Hopefully the EU can spend money now on improving the infrastructure of the Eastern European countries people that many are moving from. If they could have sorted that out before hand with the warning signs there for all to see then the remain vote would have been far higher.

Looks like Cameron paid the price for not looking at the concerns of 17m people. His only argument was the economic growth the idea that look after the rich and their investments will look after the poor. Well that's not the full reality. All many have seen recently is the rise in population causing house prices to rise to levels were disposable income is akin to a paper round. With extortionately priced tiny new builds on green belt land to cram everyone in one vision of the future if we remained.

I'm going to start a petition to bring John back.

 

I've got a trip to sort out for the family to the south coast and with Johns transport expertise and inside knowledge I was kinda hoping he could sort me out a discount or a least plan my journey............from Google

I'd sign it. I've learnt a fair bit from him and there's not many people around on Everton forums that do that.

Bring John back!

Here's an idea for a protest. If you want Martinez to go immediately, boycott the Semi Final.

They need to open that Canada train line that runs by the ground. We're so far behind the likes of London with transport. It will also encourage more businesses to the area making it more viable for Everton to go for concepts like the Goodison Hotel.

 

I can remember the song, but I don't remember hearing 'Everton' in the final line - since it doesn't fit the melody. There were quite a few songs back then. As a teen, I remember "Nice one, Cyril." Wasn't there also an England song for one of the world cups?

 

PS - I found the England song, which is from 1970.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzdcFEHre4Y

Do you mean you remember Evertonians singing the song? If so, I wonder if it had quite different words to Chelsea's then, ending something like "bring the Cup back home" perhaps?

When I watched Everton in the 1940's there was no singing or chanting. I think I am right in saying it didn't come into the game until the late 1950's?

I've known people in the past who went from the 1920s and there were chants then, Give it to Dixie being the main one I believe. I guess in a crowd of 50000 plus roaring the team if a part of the ground 500-1000 are doing the odd chant it may not get picked up in other parts of the ground. I believe the Boys Pen done the after the ball was centred song up to the early 50s.

I'll be quite interested to hear that Aussie one, I didn't know about that, thanks. I'm in work so can't put it on just now, I'll get a funny looks I think if I did.

A few teams done a version of Blue is the Colour. Rangers, and I think Portsmouth and Blackburn?

I think it was quite common to take other teams songs and either parody them or just do your own version. Blaydon Races is another that springs to mind that we also sung, not too sure on how that went though.

At the weekend it reminded me that Everton had a couple of versions of the song Blue is the Colour football is the game. I think it was from our 1980 FA Cup run but I may be wrong. Does anybody else remember of it?

Having an option to build to that size is not free. It would mean spending quite a lot of money on something that the club will never need.

 

Plus it's worth realising the world is changing. Numbers of punters in the stands won't be that important anymore.

I couldn't tell you the cost of doing it, but it's far cheaper to do it the beginning than without having the option for it. Take the Park End for example. If the Park End was designed with a future Goodison in mind then we could have had an extra tier on there plus moved the pitch towards there allowing for a larger Gwladys Street. When we were getting sub 20000 crowds the early 90s fans were scoffing at the need for a new Park End to take us to 40,000.

How much would Man United have missed out on if they thought, oh well we'll never need more than 45000.

One period of Everton domination, and a whole new generation of new fans will come along.

80,000 is just not from this world. Santiago Bernabeu holds 81,000. That's Real Madrid's stadium and they have about 6 million people in the catchment area (greater Madrid). Old Trafford holds 75,000 and again, Manchester is much bigger. Chelsea have been successful for quite a while and they plan to build a 60,000 seater. In London.

The main point of being able to expand to 80,000 is that that figure gives you full options on how to expand. Plus you have the choice to rise up to any figure up to 80,000 you want. If you only allowed an expansion of 10,000 then you're seriously limiting your options on how to expand and the overall aesthetics on how it is to be done.

Also, I'm sure there was also a time when Man United fans would have scoffed at being able to go to 75000, yet they want more. They went up in 6 stages I think it was. It could be argued that Everton should be aiming to be the biggest club in England in every way, I'd hate us to rule that out.

If Everton ever had a period of dominance we would step up the ladder in terms of appeal to fans in time. We would need a bigger ground.

It would be ridiculous of Everton not to build for expansion. ie aim for around 50,000 now, but have in mind the potential to raise to around 80,000.

If you think around 80,000 is too high you're missing the key point. There are 2 sides of 7000, 2 ends at 4000 and 4 corners at 2000 that could have extra tiers added. (figures are just rough examples).

Therefore expansion stages could be:

1. 50000 starter

2. 57000

3. 61000

4. 63000

5. 70000

6. 72000

7. 76000

8. 78000

9. 80000 finish

There are different permutations on the above as well, giving Everton the best possible options on how they wished to expand. It also would not matter what stage of expansion Everton reached. A smart design would still give the stadium a completed look even if you only reached say stage 4.

That is a general argument for stadium size for Everton that does not take into account space constraints but it should still be a model to get as close as we can to.

Shallow stands are better for atmosphere than steep stands.

It's an illusion that the steep stands make it more intimating. Can you really imagine fans jumping up and down in the Top Balcony?

That's why old converted terraces are better than these new builds for atmosphere because they're shallower.

Does anybody here claim, or has recently claimed, childcare vouchers through work for nursery places? Can you still claim your Childcare Tax Credits as well or is it one or the other?

I believe there was a good chant for him.

Would anybody remember what it was?

I'd take winning the Europa League and finishing 17th over finishing 2nd in the league without a doubt.

 

But he's just a planning consultant I think, not an architect, so he'll have little to do with what it looks like. And anyway, Kings Dock was brilliant at the design stage imo.

 

http://www.theevertonforum.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/kings-dock.jpg

The fact it is good on the outside just said to me that it was not designed to be able to expand!

However I wonder if they seriously ever had any intention of doing it like that, if they were struggling to finance it wouldn't they have knocked money off from the fancy exterior design and generally lowered the spec of the design? They couldn't if the spec was already low though could they?

 

Still just crossing my fingers it's a better design than the cheap and nasty thing they came up with for Kirkby.

I don't hold out much hope either.

I reckon it'll be crap but they'll be the pics of the outside all shiny and metallic looking and everyone will fall for it and say it's great.

 

To be fair I pretty much stand all through every home game

The back of GT4 is the home to many of the Evertonians who go the aways, and they were standing all game last night again so it's like a mini Everton away end.

Ok, they may not be as bevvied as on a 5 hour away trip so they don't always get as boisterous from the off and so they could always do with a bit more help in there. So if anyone complains about the atmosphere just go there and start a good few songs off and most will get sung.