paul

Why does it? It is not a criticism it a question about reflection on who you are as an Evertonian, I 'm an observer nowadays whereas once upon a time I was a supporter. As a supporter I would make an effort to do what I could to improve Everton to any degree as opposed to a passive who finds Everton an interesting subject.

No you didn't get my point. Blue Union are made up of normal people who are supporting the club by doing what they can. Yet when I provoked you of not what you can in the right manner you kicked off, so why is it ok for you criticise them for going about the things in a manner you disagree with, but not for me to criticise you? My reply used your argument style of unconstructive criticism and you tell me to get off my pedestal? Can you not therefore see the hypocrisy in your post? I demonstrated that I can rip into how you execute your tactics, but what is the benefit of that? You've asked what I have done. I've done very little since Kirkby. I'm just not that bothered anymore. I am not as passionate as I was, but it is still an interest rather than a passion. Everton is about a piss up to me now I dont care that much win or lose, BUT my point that I'm making is that I respect fans such as the Blue Union who make an effort for something they love, and I will defend people who make an effort for their love. To see supporters who reckon they're passionate about their but sit on the arses and criticises those for making an effort is pathetic, plus to accuse those people who make an effort as embarrassing? Embarrassing to who? Why would would you feel embarrassed about a passionate Evertonian making an effort? .

Right Matt, the quoting system hasn't quite worked:- By protesting they are highlighting a problem, and are publicly highlighting that there needs improvements in the boardroom. Problem was already well known for years. If a player plays badly do you think Moyes has a go at the player? I do. Well by protesting that is one way of highlighting to the board that they are not performing well enough. It's a method of communication. Fair enough, but again how effective is it? Also Employer and employee communication is one thing, customer to supplier is another. You've got a tactic of spending as much money on merchandising as possible. Commendable. In the realisation that Everton are skint, I take it that this now means that you are purposely purchasing more than previously? Not delibrately, I buy when I can afford it (which has only been in the last 5 years or so) and what I like. The LCS shirts in the last few years and Nike stuff has given more reason to buy. My point was this is my way of helping which is effective, and not refusing to buy which hinders (although I can understand the reasons behind refusing, I dont agree with it). Now I'm sure you'll agree that this tactic would be better if more Evertonians were doing the same. So are you making moves to encourage more Evertonians to do the same? Can you give me examples on here where you have actively chose to do so? Ive communicated to family and friends offers or new stuff coming in. Ive encouraged everyone I know pretty much to come the game with me when Im home (since I now live abroad this is only a few games a year, hopefully will change soon though) and usually get 4-5 of us together. Ive put any links for 24hr sales up on here. One obstacle you have now doubt met in this is the no colours attitude that may Evertonians have. How are you getting on in tackling this? Any problems? Have you asked for help at all? Can you explain what you mean by "no colours". I haven't come across any movements by anyone to tackle this, so maybe you're struggling to get your message across, or you haven't made any movements. However I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Should I criticise you for struggling to get the message out. Or should I give you a word of encouragement for trying to get the message out along with advice or help? Look, I think the BU intentions initially were good but poorly executed. They then started to contradict themselves somewhat and whenever they give statements its the same format; start reasonable for the 1st paragraph before descending into sniping. The biggest thing I have a problem with is their either refusal or inability to give a balanced argument. I think your tactics are poorly executed, your intentions are fine, but just telling mates about offers? You've looked into the merchandising yet not understood the stumbling block of fans not buying replica clothing as a fashion statement (no colours), so your tactics are poorly researched. See my point???

By protesting they are highlighting a problem, and are publicly highlighting that there needs improvements in the boardroom. If a player plays badly do you think Moyes has a go at the player? I do. Well by protesting that is one way of highlighting to the board that they are not performing well enough. It's a method of communication. You've got a tactic of spending as much money on merchandising as possible. Commendable. In the realisation that Everton are skint, I take it that this now means that you are purposely purchasing more than previously? Now I'm sure you'll agree that this tactic would be better if more Evertonians were doing the same. So are you making moves to encourage more Evertonians to do the same? Can you give me examples on here where you have actively chose to do so? One obstacle you have now doubt met in this is the no colours attitude that may Evertonians have. How are you getting on in tackling this? Any problems? Have you asked for help at all? I haven't come across any movements by anyone to tackle this, so maybe you're struggling to get your message across, or you haven't made any movements. However I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Should I criticise you for struggling to get the message out. Or should I give you a word of encouragement for trying to get the message out along with advice or help?

I don't get the criticism of the Blue Union, they're not happy so are taking responsibility themselves to do something about it. They are not professionals but are pulling their weight the best they can. IT's easy to sit back and pull holes in tactics, but then the detractors should have a look at their own tactics and ask themselves if they are are merely an observer of Everton or a supporter of Everton.

No, you deffo wont need to. They're only needed for the home derby.

What questions were asked?

Well, who do you think? Or who outside of Everton would suit him best?

YNWA is overrated. At least Everton played around with the words and tune to give it an original slant

As mentioned before it was 2unlimited Get ready for this Before Z Cars, I think it was the the tune Monty Python adapted for their theme tune.

If anyone else here is into the singing at Everton there's another standing area planned for the Chelsea match in the Street End Block 4 Rows LL to OO seat nos 100-104. The last ones ones have definitely shown the potential of these singing areas just more fans are needed for now if anyone's interested?

Not seen a thread on here for this, but if anyone's into the singing side at Everton some Evertonians are asking for fans to go in the Gwladys Street Block 4, seats mm to mm 101-105 for the West Brom match Oh I do like to be beside the seaside.....

stadium is a huge part of your identity. If Barcelona played at the Dell, what that change your perception of them as a club?

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Yes Spurs have done it for years. We definitely sung it early 60s and it went out of fashion for ages. We then revived it in the 80s

I've heard of that one yes. I take it, it's rubbish! Did the fans everdo their own lp's. I've seen the likes of Celtic, Rangers even Liverpool had fans recording songs in the 60s, what about Everton?

Any other good ones from when you were younger? Any rarer ones?

Recorded song is Altogether now. Terrace song its too hard to pick, I'll have different favourite each week. There was a good one to Waltzing Matilda, can't remember it though

When a foreigner gets mugged here I don't feel the need to apologise. If a Spurs fan asked me about it I would said they were dickheads. If he questioned me about it then I would have had to tell them to speak to the fans who done it, I'm not a mind reader to their actions just because they share an interest!

I doubt Beard was part of those Everton fans singing it. I'm sure that the Spurs fans seen the small no. of Everton fans singing it and the large no. of Everton fans not singing it

They're not mates they have nothing to do with the man. If someone I don't know acts an idiot it's absolutely nothing to do with me. People represent themselves, the fact that they share an interest is neither here nor there. If you go to a gig of a band you like and someone else there you don't know acts like an idiot then you wouldn't feel like you have apologise for them.

I don't get why you have to apologise on their behalf? Just because you share the same interest in a football team?

Best keep your seat. Imagine getting best 6-1 at home to Huddersfield!