EFC-Paul

I agree but he's done well since being thrown in imo, puts a good shift in defends well and his delivery is good he'd be very dangerous if he had that extra yard of pace

Played well for the most part Good balance in defending and breaking up play and moving the ball forward, Gana did well and fair play to Davies he looked decent in spells We could have won the game at a canter but our quality when it mattered let us down massively, conceded a decent goal but shouldn't have given him the chance to let his shot off then our heads went It's frustrating as we are very close to being a decent side but we lack that quality upfront and when it matters from some of the lads

I don't even know what were debating tbh so I agree that you agree mate

Fuck sake just square the ball

The amount of United fans I know that can't bare him is frightening tbh Similar groans to when he was here, lazy poor touch can only finish if it's played right Infront of him etc We did well out of it all tbh

I'm not missing any points Bailey I get what your saying but completely disagree with it To "try" and keep it short as the above is far to long winded... I've not said Sigurdsson would play deeper I'm saying he has the ability to pick the ball up from deeper use his physicality and passing etc to a greater effect than what we've been served up so far simply put he has played that role and can play the role of a ball carrier he had that free reign at Swansea if you've never seen him pick the ball up from deeper and make forward runs for them your blind or have never watched them play, as you've said yourself in other threads he's better coming from a deeper position but really can't be arsed quoting it all Bernard has played central midfield many times and also as a creative central mid a position we've been lacking in for years so I'm not sure where you've got this winger stuff from All those players have similar slight statures you can't dismiss that even if he is slightly smaller Anyway I'll leave it there Sigurdsson to play the role of a ball carrying type midfielder and Bernard to be a creative central mid will it happen probably not would it be better than having two deeper mids with a non creative one trying to go forward Infront of them.... Definitely

I'd put him straight in but keep Kenny at RB, I don't think he did much wrong against WH and put in some decent crosses Got a feeling if he plays Mina will score

It doesn't add to debate for me personally as they can be misconstrued to suite whomever is posting them, the point I was making is you referenced a game when all the statistical analysis's is very FM based I've no problems with it but when suggesting playing two players in positions they've already played in effectively as being like a game is a tad daft Who's the winger your referring to that I've not even mentioned or can't remember mentioning? Also the point of Coutinho stands imo and the others as that's what we'd become more of if we didn't persist with two deep midfielders and deployed a system similar to the ones suggested above He's a slight playmaker who did more than alright in this league and there's plenty of examples to choose from so to discount Bernard due to his size is ridiculous and premature, Mahrez played both out wide and centrally especially under Puel but the point being that type of player with that kind of build can do extremely well if used right You've even said yourself in multiple threads that Sigurdsson is better playing deeper which is what I've said

Bailey with all due respect mate I know it's not FIFA but you quote stats and all sorts of information as if this is Football Manager that are in the main more akin to a simulated game, for me to suggest playing two midfielders in midfield in roles they have played for club and country isn'ttt in the slightest bit FIFA related mate Sigurdsson played behind the strikers with a fairly free rain in midfield where he's at his best that's purely what I'm suggesting he's not Flash but he's quicker and more agile than Tom and Morgan so will/could get about more and Bernard is far more technical and creative than either I do want Bernard to find space and create that's the type of player he is, was Countinho built like a brick shithouse did he track back and defend does Silva do it often did Mahrez and so on? They have a specific role for their skillset I see Bernard as no different he's that kind of player Gana is the best defensive midfielder for me he does what they are supposed to as you say tackling and intercepting but as we know there's no cohesion with having sub par midfielders to pick the ball up and move it forward. That's why I'd like to see him on his own playing deep doing what he's good at then playing it simple to someone who can carry the ball up field Either way I hope something changes or clicks soon as we look dogshit

Never said he was I was referring to Gana and Morgan in previous posts and I think it was Bailey mentioned Davies so threw all three into the mix In my recent reply I'm talking about a central pairing non of them work so just throwing an idea of something that "might" out there I'll be honest as much as I'm looking forward to seeing what Gomes can offer without getting to carried away we should have brought in a player like N'Zonzi or N'Diaye to fill the void and offer competition

Not about having two attacking midfielders it's about having one as said the other two can interchange prominently Sigurdsson sitting deeper than Bernard where he's better at driving forward picking a pass etc We can't stick to the same system it doesn't work as seen with Gana and Davies Morgan and Gana Morgan and Davies and so on Gana is the best defensive midfielder out of the three the other two offer very little ATM especially Davies Also questioning a players appetite to defend when they've not been played in such a way is premature especially considering Davies and Morgan run around like headless chickens

I don't see the logic behind Bernard and Sigurdsson being torn to shreds yet Davies and Morgan wouldn't Both slow one physically not much bigger than Bernard but technically no where near as good Sigurdsson is wasted in the system we've been playing he needs to sit further back where he can dictate play and make those forward runs that he used to for Swansea where he's far more effective and Bernard could be the creative spark people have banged on about for years He's a big physical presence we should be utilising that until we get a chance to see what Gomes has to offer imo

We do massively miss McCarthy or a player with his combative and forward style of play as Nogs says I hope Gomes can fill the glaring gap we need filling I don't not rate the lad but I'd have rather have had Besic sat as a DM than have both Gana and Morgan together it simply doesn't work We'll cause Arsenal plenty of problems on either flank it's the middle of the park they will dictate and pick us to pieces if something isn'tt changed

I like that bar DCL he's not good enough just yet to be up there on his own imo he'd be better playing off another striker in a system we don't deploy Pickford Coleman Zouma Mina Digne Morgan Sigurdsson Bernard Walcott Lookman Richarlison

I agree he's definitely good enough no questions there and I do think he'll come good it's just a risky game of chess hoping it's the next game or the game after that I think being benched and coming on fresh might do him some good tbh especially against a side like Arsenal

So sad powerful and traumatic in one brief read Really feel for her and the kids to deal with that is unimaginable, also goes to show how fragile the human mind can be and how others need to speak up if feeling that way

Is it for whilst traveling Steve? I've always just stuck with the Halifax Clarity card for ease of use and the best daily rates That's if that's what your using it for like

Digne for me, he had some very good moments can beat a man and puts in a brilliant ball Not the quickest but we've got ourselves a very good attacking LB

I didn't see him open much space for anyone if I'm honest Bailey There's players that slot into a more athlete category and he's one of them for me, runs and has stamina but very little else I think it was a poor system Silva set out with tbh we should have had one sitter it's a given to most that the two DM's doesn't work and I'd have had Sigurdsson sat slightly deeper with Bernard and Lookman instead of DCL Hopefully when we get players back we'll get to see what Silva has in mind but as it is we are toothless upfront and far to easy to counter

Looks a very tidy player doesn't he I think he'll be better either behind the striker/s or part of a front three on the left

Not clinical enough and sloppy for the most part, we gifted that game away and fair play to WH they had three clear chances and put them away We best hope Tosun starts putting the ball away soon or we'll be fucked until January The amount of quality deliveries today from Kenny and especially Digne and we only potted one is embarrassing

I can't wait for us to have lads back from injury and suspensions Gana and Morgan just doesn't work it's a piss poor man's version of Lampard and Gerrard and that's putting it nicely Hopefully Gomes can come in and be the forward minded CM with just one sitting back as a proper DM and it's no fault of his own he's been plonked there but DCL is a wasted spot when he's used out wide, much rather have seen Lookman start or Bernard

Hard to say as some have played in such disjointed systems and times Ability wise Sigurdsson - On his day there's not that many better in this league Richarlison - Potentially a world beater Walcott - The lad has proven over the years that he's a top level player and has done the same since being here Pickford - If he stops palming the ball around in his own area like he's playing beach ball and irons out a few minor bad habits the lad will be world class

Just stumbled across this! A few made me feel very odd https://mobile.twitter.com/FinKitch/status/1034452758278103051

Ive not said I can't see how he can improve I've said numerous times I can't see him improving to the point where he becomes anything more than a squad player and I don't think he's currently at a standard to be starting games as he offers very little Again something I've stated numerous times is that being or becoming a squad player isn'ttt a bad thing I've said in the match day threads and so on that he's done better recently and Silva has had a positive effect on his game Slightly baffling comparing a player who clearly had the raw and natural ability of Henry who had the pace vision footwork finishing and many other attributes that Tom doesn't purely on the basis of age and development, the man already had that in his armoury it just needed polishing I don't want to sound like I'm bashing the lad but does he have pace does he have vision a wide range of passing ability the footwork and skill to beat players? No to me he has non of that, you've said yourself he could go onto being a steady squad player as I've said so I don't see the issue as I've agreed with you on that front The last point is contradictory the way I read it but either way people have said the abuse they get is for being local and my point is that plays no part in my judgement of the lad or anyone else who I don't think is currently at the level where they should be starting games often, the local and age side of it may come into play with others but not myself Geri had his fair share of doubters and critics let's not brush that aside to make a case and he was similar to Barkely in the fact he has the ability but was frustrating with putting it all together, again with Geri his natural ability for the position he plays albeit different to Tom's is greater so he has a higher potential ceiling in my eyes Do I judge the lad more harshly because he's local no I'm not local myself so that sentiment plays no part in my reasoning Do I take his age into account, yes as said he'll improve with experience but I don't think a great deal Do I think he's got the ability to go on and become a very good player no but as said multiple times a decent squad player