I know that some times you can look at a player after a couple of minutes on the pitch and see if he is any use or not, it's just a gut feeling you get. I have never really rated Maggie, Naisy, and Vellios. Maybe I'm after the wow factor, I remember Viera's first game for Arsenal, Rooney for us, seeing Kluivert, Seedorf , Scholes, Giggs, Gazza etc play their first games and got the feeling that they were future stars, I just don't get the feeling with Tolis. Some are late developers like Osman but he had that little something about him, call it intuition. I really want him to do well, I do but I can not see him making it with us. I do hope I'm wrong though...................