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11 goals in 73 games is not exactly what i would call 'goal scoring'. Why on earth is he not running the Barcelona midfield if he is the most complete player to ever live, as per your description. He's not fit to lace the boots of players like Xavi, Ineista and Essien and think i'd better leave this thread well alone as i fear some of your are quite mad. Hail Fellaini, the player who makes Maradona look decidedly average

Name one actual bid that has been made for him? Not media speculation and rubbish, an actual bid.

If you can show me where i have once stated i'm not in a minority, then i will follow suit and claim Fellaini is the greatest player to ever touch grass. Stop making things up.

Actually, quite a few of the people who sit near me in the Park End don't rate Fellaini as a consistent footballer, so that kind of puts your theory in check and proved my theory that no one is right or wrong, it's just opinions. Which superlative? All of them.

Being the 4th most successful club in the English League means absolutely nothing. Stop living in the past, live in the now and get a huge dose of reality. Everton used to be a top team who won things. We are not that now and haven't been for a very very long time. We have no divine right to win things and no divine right to consider ourselves a big club. No investment because there is no money to invest. Exactly what part of that do you not understand? Have you seen what happened to Leeds when they spent money they don't have? Have you seen what happened to the world when we spent money we had no way of paying back? It's basic financial common sense to only spend what you have and can afford. That's exactly what the board have done. What promise did Bill make? How do you have enough info to have an opinion? Are you privy to board meetings, our accounts or sensitive and confidential club matters? No, so it's 100% impossible for you to have any solid evidence to form any sort of credible opinion. You know nothing apart from rumours, propaganda and media reports. If you know more, then state it. Yes, it seems i am deluded enough to think anyone who buys Everton should be vetted to the end of the earth. I'm deluded enough to not want the type of owner who took Portsmouth down, Newcastle down, Birmingham down, West Ham down etc etc. Your Anichebe comparison is ridiculous and make no sense. But to try and make sense of it, i will ask you a question. How many strikers are there playing football compared to billionaire individuals or groups who want to chuck £500 million at a football club with no chance of a return? What is it you don't understand about the fact that there is no one out there who wants to buy Everton?

Can't quite believe some of those superlatives you have used. Also, having a majority agreeing on one side does not make anything right or wrong. I certainly am not wrong because a few more people on a web forum disagree with me rather than agree with me. That's ludicrous. One or two economists predicted the global financial meltdown we have just gone through, does that mean they were wrong because nearly every other one economists said it wouldn't amount to what it did? Oh and your assumptions are also wrong. So strange how some simply cannot accept other peoples opinions and foolishly think they can tell someone their opinion is wrong or right when there is no wrong or right.

Is that simply picking out some people from a list of the worlds billionaires and getting down on our knees and asking them to waste £500 million on a football team they have probably never heard of with no chance of a return? Lord Granchester is the obvious candidate, but if he wanted to put money into Everton, he'd have done it a long time ago. I concur completely with your stance on Kenwright.

Why is it that the fans on the street consider themselves informed enough to hang Bill out to dry, but yet not informed enough to consider a viable replacement? I always find it beyond ignorant when people shout for change, but have no idea what that change is or in what form it will take. There is no credible, vastly wealthy person(s) interested in buying Everton. If anyone believes otherwise, they are completely deluded. If anyone also thinks that BK wouldn't sell the club to a credible and vastly wealthy person, then they are also completely deluded. You can gather all the highly paid experts in the world to search for a buyer, if no one wants to buy what can they do? Everton have no money. What exactly would you like to see happen to generate enough funds for a new stadium? Oh and by the way, i really didn't get your Anichebe comparison.

At what stage did i say we need to sell 'ALL' our best players? West Ham is not the model i would want to follow and not what i suggested. I always find 'could' to be a very subjective word. The world COULD flood tomorrow and everyone and everything dies. The financial climate is also nothing near what is was when West Ham held an auction for all their best players. The whole business of football has transformed dramatically. Selling a player for a large transfer fee every 4 years to fund the purchase or 3 or 4 more players seems to be quite a solid policy right now. We also seem to have a good record of doing it. Or, we have that other plan to raise large funds for fresh players every three to four years, only problem is, i can't quite remember what the other plan is, could you remind me?

Bill Kenwright must go. Easy, isn't it? But then who comes in? Ask any 'the board and Bill must go and go now' person this question above and you it will be met with blank, clueless and gormless faces. If there were plenty of solid options for people to come in and take over the club, i'd be inclined to join the Bill must go brigade, but if that were the case, i think Bill would join too.

Why not? Why in the current financial climate is this not a good model for the future. Buy low, sell high. Seems to be a pretty good way of making large sums of money, especially when there aren't any other ways that Everton can make that kind of money. We've gone from consistent relegation candidates to consistent European qualification on the base of a good manager and the Rooney, Johnson and Lescott money. Doesn't look a bad option and i think our only option right now.

I strongly advise you learn that others have differing opinions to yours and that there is no absolute correct answer, which means no one is right or wrong. I think the best midfield player in the league by some considerable distance is Essien. I think he's twice the player Toure is and on a different planet to Fellaini. Now don't go getting your knickers in a twist, as all the above is my opinion only. I'm not right, i'm not wrong, i'm just expressing my opinion.

Think we'll just have to agree to disagree

Yes, before his injury he had played very well for a few games. I also know the lad is young and will improve, but i've watched him play a lot and he is cumbersome a lot of the time. He gives the ball away easily and panics when put under pressure. He also isn't the quickest player around the pitch. Rodwell i feel for. Moyes needs to make up his mind where Rodwell is going to play and start playing him there consistently. I see huge potential in the boy and this could be a defining season for him if managed correctly. Being able to play Rodwell in his chosen position would help if we had more options, which would only come from the sale of a valuable player. Fellaini to me is not a £15 million player. He isn't a £10 million player. So if, and if is the key word here, wanted to offer £25 million or more, it's simply not a deal our club could turn down right now. You could easily play JH in front of the back 4, Arteta as the play maker in the middle of the park with Rodwell (who i believe is a good passer) Osman could play on the right and we could potentially go out and get some like N'zogbia to play down the left. Wigan will want around £12 million (not sure when his contract is up) for him, leaving £8 million to fund a new striker. Sell Yobo and possibly Yak, we might get £6 million to £8 million for those to, suddenly things aint too bad. Fell @ £25 million + Yak and Yob @ £8 million. £6 million to service debt, £12 million for N'Zogbia and leave £15 million for a striker and possible another player or two. That's my theory anyway. I also have a feeling i'm talking shite as i can't believe anyone would pay £25 million for Fel just now (or in the future).

You and i think in very similar ways It's staggering how many failed takeovers of football clubs there have been and how many Everton fans would still sell the club to the first person who came along telling fables about the amount of money they would make available. People don't seem to understand, that in the grand scheme of things, Everton are in a very very good position right now. Our biggest asset is the manager, we can't afford to lose him.

If someone offered £25 million for Fellaini, i'd do cartwheels. I think Fellaini has put in one of the most complete performances as a midfielder i have seen in an Everton shirt vs Man City. However, i largely think the guy is over rated, inconsistent and simply not up to the pace of the Prem league week in week out. His passing is also pretty awful. If we could sell him, and bring in 3-4 £5 million pound players or a £10 million winger and a £10 million striker, i'd consider that to be excellent business for the club. I'd rather sell Fellaini than Baines or Rodwell (and maybe even Coleman).

Shame you can't buy an adults shirt without CHANG on it. Best shirt IMO.

1) Are the figures you quoted accurate? Isn't this what a lot of the clubs supporters would wrongly deem 'ambition'? I'm a bit of an old school person, you don't buy anything unless you can pay for it. Simple as that. However, is this not a mistake that the board made and has actually shaped the future financial commitments and strategy of the club? It's clearly, in retrospect, a mistake, but one that is understandable in an attempt to push Everton up the league and one that hasn't been repeated? 2) Basic, stupid and completely unacceptable. Not that i think Gosling is much of a loss but the couple of million we'd have got for him is sorely missed at a cash strapped club. Not 'life changing' though. 3) Meh 4) Answer to this is probably the same as point 1. 5) I'm not entirely sure anyone has access to the facts on this. There is plenty of conjecture but not hard facts from those involved with the decision making process. I find it hard to comment. 6) I know nothing about this. Seems strange, but surely there is a valid reason? My point about this is that none of these things are going to change the football club. None of these things are going to deliver success. The finances of football now are ludicrous. Only the rich can survive and prosper. There is and never will be any shame in being a football club that operates on strict budgets. As far as i can see, football is pretty much dead. If you are not a huge, famous club or how a billionaire owner, forget about it. The game is over. Players wages and demands are killing every single football club in the world without a sugar daddy or access to huge revenue streams. Unless world wide salary caps are introduced with quota's for home grown talent, then the bigger clubs are going to pull further and further away from the rest. The owners of the big clubs in this country have no understanding of English football, they have no sense of duty to English football. It's all about money. What delivers the most money, the Champions League. What will deliver them more money, the players more money, a European Super League. Is this the revenue stream the Arabs have had a eye on from the start with Man City, probably. You think the Glazers, The Russian, The Yanks at Liverpool, whoever is in charge at Arsenal would turn down the opportunity to compete in a European Super League? You think the biggest Italian clubs would turn down the chance to revive themselves etc etc. Everton as a football club needs to act in a financially responsible manner and ensure Premier League status. It might hit some people hard, but that is the reality of football and i don't see it getting much better.

Man City are in the Champions League purely down to luck. Luck that the commonwealth games gave them a brand spanking new stadium for nothing. Then an Arab born into vast sums of money chose Man City as his play toy. The ironic aspect of all this is the probability that Manchester United's fame and succes ultimately led the Arab to City that and the free stadium (£350 million saved there) and the fact the club could be bought relatively cheaply. Real Madrid, well its the worst kept secret in football that Spanish Royal family help them out and banks bend over backwards to offer them money and terms that no other club could get near. What happens when they need to pay some money back, they sell their training ground for an amount that dramatically over values the asset. Even Barcelona are heavily in debt. In Real and Barca we are talking about two of the richest clubs in world football, two of the most famous clubs in world football with huge global revenue streams, the best and more famous players in the world and still they are both heavily in debt. What chance do Everton have. We shouldn't be spending a penny if we don't have. Birmingham had success this season in the Carling Cup. What league are they playing in next year?

There aint no money honey !

I'd like to see 2 strikers played more, especially if we are unable to sign a winger or two who have out and out pace. Moyes needs to take more risks going forward, especially when our better players are injury free.

Stoke are funded by bet365 money.

Jags, Arteta, Piennar, Coleman, Baines, Lescott have all been signed for relatively small amounts of money. You don't need the repulsive and sickening amounts of money Real Madrid and Man City throw at players to be successful.

I would really like someone to list the reasons for getting rid of our board and Bill Kenwright. I'd like to see genuine reasons that can't be attributed to the creation of the Premier league, the distribution of tv money since the creation of the premier league and Everton as a football clubs failure to promote the club through out different markets through out the world when they had opportunity. Genuine failures, by Kenwright and his Board where blame can solely be placed at their feet.

Why thank you My username is rather ironic considering the way this thread wanted to go