Newty82

Mega that. And the stadium. Well worth a billion debt

Cumbria mate...surrounded by the bloody stuff. It's a crime that we have to pay for it when we could go up the road and help ourselves

Away from the debt thing...I've said my piece on that. Don't want to bore you all!!! My next concern is how any cash released from the asset (stadium) is used. I fear that it is all too easy to release cash against it and award shareholders, while the place and club rots. For example, Glazers at United. Or, just like what various water companies did in the 90s when privatised. Instead of getting loans against the assets to improve them...they paid handsome dividends to shareholders. Now the water companies, facilities and systems are fucked!

I wasn't on about selling the house. I'm happy living in it and renting out the spare rooms I'm on about my house being worth more than my debt...so I can release cash against it. I mean, I could be completely wrong here! But is that not just business? Businesses regularly use their assets as a means to guarantee any cash they need to then go and grow and expand the business? Now, before anyone gets this twisted. I'm not at all saying that we're all OK. Everything will be fine. My only point here is that a chunk (not all!) of the debt MIGHT be 'safe' as it's been used to build an asset that will generate more value over time. Which, again, is business, right?!

No, what I mean is... The asset makes the debt 'safe'. Like, I owe X amount on my mortgage. So I'm in debt. But my house is worth twice as much as my mortgage. So, I'm OK. No panic. Keep making my payments, everyone's happy. If I need to lend more money, I can. Because I've got this asset that I can still get cash against. If, for some mad reason my wife went off with my boys, I'd have 2 rooms spare. Now I can rent them out and make money. So now I have an asset worth more than my debt and it's generating me income. Happy Days!

Does the stadium not become an asset that offset some of the debt? No doubt the stadium value will be more than the cost to build.

And what's worrying too is the lack of sellable assets on the pitch. We've a few in the first team but nothing coming through the youth ranks. So it seems. I think this'll be the first season in...dunno...that there's been no sign of a player stepping up.

He did indeed do that. But it's the culture he brought with him. The arrogance. Him, Koeman and Benitez of the same ilk in my opinion. I agree in sorts with what you say there about Dyche. Until the last paragraph. Then I don't agree and feel that sort if criticism is too far for the job he's done so far. I'm going to see how we fair in the last 6 games before finally deciding where I am with him. I'm a bit 50/50 now as I'm not happy with how long the run lasted and some things said recently, how we've gone about things etc.

Exactly. The January window was the quietest, wasn't it? The 'eco system' of the league collapsed. Now the rules are going to change...

Key part of this is that of the 17 teams who have submitted their finances for last year (wonder who the 3 who haven't are?), total losses are £600mill. For ONE year! I often look at the turnovers of most PL clubs, vs their spend on transfers and wages, and wonder how most can stay within PSR? Well, clearly they can't. Hence, it all changes next year!

Quite a telling paragraph from the clubs statement.. "Everton remains committed to working collaboratively with the League on all matters relating to PSR but is extremely concerned by the inconsistency of different commissions in respect of points deductions applied.

True. So with your experience in the trade, how much would we of had to pay if we put the shovels down? How would the agreement be made up? Is it a percentage of total costs? What would a normal contract look like?

That's kinda my point...we've not been happy with hardly any! Ancelotti, in my opinion, got away with his name. But so often we were dull as fuck to watch. However, I think if he'd stayed, with the funds we had then, different story a season later. I think we sacked Silva too early. I liked him. But, again, we shit the bed and fans were calling for his head as soon as results didn't go our way. Same happened with Koeman. Allardyce and Benitez shouldn't have been near the club. Dyche, while far from perfect, deserves more credit than what he's sometimes being given.

That's fuckin madness. There's too many contradictions between the 4 hearings (Evertons 3 and Forrests 1) for this not to be taken further.

Potentially in position...I try not to be definitive with my opinion because it's just that. My opinion. I don't know enough about what goes on at the club to say for sure. To split hairs...Usmanov was sanctioned about a month after we'd finished filling the dock. Usmanov also continues to appeal his sanctions. Possibly, maybe, at the time he didn't think he'd be cut off so bad. Plus, possibly, I can't imagine we can just stop and not have some sort of fee to pay or something along those lines. I'm not convinced any of these things, the size of the project, the years of planning etc, are just a simple 'lay down your shovels lads, jobs fucked' Nothing is ever as black and white as that. But, I'm also a million miles away from having any knowledge of how stadium builds work!

It's gonna be absolutely barmy if the season finishes with these appeals still to happen. Imagine 'the best league in the world' potentially not knowing who's bring relegated at the end of the season?!

...if any clubs can learn anything of us & Forrest vs the likes of Citeh... Don't admit guilt!

Fuckin wankers. Changing the rules next season aswell because they know they've fucked it up. Getting done twice for the two thirds of the same thing. Shit show.

To be fair, though, I think at the time all was 'OK'. As in, a certain Russian was in the background putting money in in various ways. So, financially, they probably had a plan and that was sound.

But my point would be we haven't played hoof ball all season. The first few months of the season we were far from hoof ball. Or ar least, when we did, it was with a purpose. Recently we have reverted back to mindless hoof ball. And it's been shit. Which makes his recent statement about going back to long ball vs Burnley a bit laughable. I don't think you need to lower your expectations or beliefs. I'd love to see us playing better football too. Let me ask...which managers in recent years have you been happy with and why?

No. Because I don't think he's clueless and incompetent. At all. We've played some of the best football we've seen in years under him. Not hard to beat, but still. He said he wanted us to play better. He wanted to be able to play better. We were playing good football. The only reason we werent/aren't higher up the table is because we couldn't score... HOWEVER...where he absolutely does deserve criticism, and where my view of him has dwindled, is how he has gone about the long winless streak. I'll hold judgement until the end of the season. I do want to see more from us. I want us to get back to how we were those first few months of the season.

I can't see how that wasn't a penalty? There's seems to be no talk about it. Even in here. And Oliver was looking straight at it. Even the commentators didn't make much of it. Bizarre.

I think the point is that 'we' say the same thing year after year. When a manager is disliked, it's one of the repetitive accusations that gets made. And it's been made year after year for....years! I think we can all agree that as the last 4-5 years have gone on, our squad is getting smaller and worse in quality. Whether it's Dyche or somebody else, it's gonna be a tough job for years to come. And I expect the same accusation(s) to be repeated during those years.

Yeah. For me it's more the statement of deliberately playing it long...like it was a master stroke for this game that we've not seen before

He's come out with some weird stuff recently. I guess that's what pressure can do to you.