MikeO Posted September 15, 2008 Report Posted September 15, 2008 I see Danny Guthrie's assault on Craig Fagan had worse results than first thought. If ever a player needed prosecution through the legal system for something that happened on the pitch (open to question) he does. I couldn't believe it, and it was his second attempt as well. Ridiculous that the beeb call it a "tackle." http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ity/7617057.stm Quote
jamiemaher85 Posted September 15, 2008 Report Posted September 15, 2008 I'd just read the same report. It was such a disgraceful tackle. When watching it you could tell it was made purely out of frustration. Guthrie is probably pissed off with what he has got himself in for at Newcastle, and now has reacted like a thug. He deserves a bad for this, was a horrible needles tackle, no attempt to win the ball and wasn't even attempting to stop Fagan from creating anything. All he was doing was holding the ball up. I have lost alot of respect for the lad, i thought he was a prospect, not a thug. Shame Quote
MikeO Posted September 15, 2008 Author Report Posted September 15, 2008 And the little shit applauded the fans on the way off when he should have been hanging his head in shame. Quote
aaron Posted September 15, 2008 Report Posted September 15, 2008 was a disgraceful tackle. hope he gets a long ban for it. twit. Quote
DonKey Posted September 15, 2008 Report Posted September 15, 2008 Hopefully the gobshite will get whats coming to him. Absolutely disgusting 'tackle' (if it can be called that). Reckon even Barton was embarassed by it all. Quote
MikeO Posted September 15, 2008 Author Report Posted September 15, 2008 Heard an interesting idea on the radio just now. It's all wrong that Guthrie will get probably a three game ban while Fagan could be out for months so... In extreme circumstances like this ban the offender for as long as the victim is out injured, then maybe three games after that....punishment fitting the crime. Works for me. Quote
Romey 1878 Posted September 15, 2008 Report Posted September 15, 2008 Heard an interesting idea on the radio just now. It's all wrong that Guthrie will get probably a three game ban while Fagan could be out for months so... In extreme circumstances like this ban the offender for as long as the victim is out injured, then maybe three games after that....punishment fitting the crime. Works for me. I think that would be very just, I'd back that. Quote
Bill Posted September 15, 2008 Report Posted September 15, 2008 Crazy idea, some clubs wouldnt have enough players to make up a team, what about the Eduardo case should he get an 18 month ban. ? Quote
Romey 1878 Posted September 15, 2008 Report Posted September 15, 2008 Maybe that punishment should only be implemented when there is intent or recklessness? Quote
Bill Posted September 15, 2008 Report Posted September 15, 2008 I see what you are saying Mark, but they wont all be as obvious as Guthries, then you will enter into the unknown territory of who decides if it was or it was'nt intent. ? Would it be a panel of ex Referees, a panel of ex players for the FA, or would the accused take it to a civil court to contest his innocence. I dont like that idea one little bit. Quote
marcopaulo Posted September 15, 2008 Report Posted September 15, 2008 i'd back it in cases like that cos you can tell there was no intent for the ball tackles like the one on eduardo cant be treated like this though as there was no intent to hurt just a badly timed tackle Quote
MikeO Posted September 15, 2008 Author Report Posted September 15, 2008 It'll never happen Bill for sure but for cases like this, where there's absolutlely no room for doubt, where it's blatant and everyone knows it, it would be a just punishment. Any case that needed referring to a panel would by definition not qualify. Quote
Bill Posted September 15, 2008 Report Posted September 15, 2008 i'd back it in cases like that cos you can tell there was no intent for the ball tackles like the one on eduardo cant be treated like this though as there was no intent to hurt just a badly timed tackle I think the same as you on the Eduardo tackle, but a lot of people didnt, some of the TV pundits in the studio when it happened said it was an horrendous tackle and they couldnt show it because of the disturbing nature of the injuries, Arsene Wenger said he should'nt be allowed to play football again, altho later on he retracted it. So who exactly knows what goes on in footballers minds when they go in for a tackle. How can people determine whats intent and whats not intent ? is it on the basis that some players will get injured and some others wont. John Terry "intended" to stop a player getting past him on Saturday and was sent off, another player in another game did exactly the same and only got a yellow card. If they cant get it right on the pitch there is no way they are going to get it right OFF the pitch. Quote
Jimmy the blue Posted September 15, 2008 Report Posted September 15, 2008 The Eduardo tackle was pure bad timing, so was the tackle that put Petr Cech out but the Guthrie one could have been delivered by Joey Barton pissed, he actually aimed to kick his man.......................a long long ban should ensue Quote
xavier Posted September 16, 2008 Report Posted September 16, 2008 Fagan's hardly a 'clean' player himself. Ridiculous tackle from Guthrie though which looks even worse at high speed. Has his ban been extended? Quote
marcopaulo Posted September 16, 2008 Report Posted September 16, 2008 that doesnt count though against the shite Quote
Romey 1878 Posted September 16, 2008 Report Posted September 16, 2008 http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8...4152796,00.html The extension of his ban is being considered. Quote
efcdom Posted September 17, 2008 Report Posted September 17, 2008 what about stephen hunt on petr cech. how would you know if that was intended or not? Quote
jamiemaher85 Posted September 17, 2008 Report Posted September 17, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ted/7619485.stm He recieves no extra ban. Poor decision in my opinion Quote
MikeO Posted September 17, 2008 Author Report Posted September 17, 2008 what about stephen hunt on petr cech. how would you know if that was intended or not? You wouldn't so you've answered your own question. As I said, "where there's absolutlely no room for doubt, where it's blatant and everyone knows it." Was what Dunc went to prison for any worse than what Guthrie did? Is a pre-meditated potentially nose breaking head butt worse than a pre-meditated leg-breaking kick? If someone did it to me in the street I'd want them prosecuted, a long ban and he's getting off lightly imo. Quote
Bill Posted September 17, 2008 Report Posted September 17, 2008 Common sense prevails, as ive said before on this forum, the red card means a ban but the length of the ban should not be determined by any injuries. Nobody was calling for an extra ban until it was learnt that a bone in his leg was fractured. Quote
MikeO Posted September 17, 2008 Author Report Posted September 17, 2008 Nobody was calling for an extra ban until it was learnt that a bone in his leg was fractured. I was. Not on here but I said it to Josh when we first saw it....the report of the broken bone made me post it. If someone made that sort of unprovoked attack on the street on someone you cared about Bill would you be happy if they got just a slap on the wrist, broken bone or no? There has to come a point where the laws of the land extend onto the fottball pitch...where is it? Quote
Bill Posted September 17, 2008 Report Posted September 17, 2008 I was. Not on here but I said it to Josh when we first saw it....the report of the broken bone made me post it. If someone made that sort of unprovoked attack on the street on someone you cared about Bill would you be happy if they got just a slap on the wrist, broken bone or no? There has to come a point where the laws of the land extend onto the fottball pitch...where is it? Probably not Mike, but he wasnt in the street and the laws of the game says he gets a ban for the red card, if you start bring street rules onto the pitch half the clubs in the league will have most of the players up on court cases, and serving prison sentences. I say leave well alone and dont be so foolhardy to even think about going down that road. Quote
MikeO Posted September 17, 2008 Author Report Posted September 17, 2008 We'll have to agree to disagree Bill. There has to be a line where laws of the land take precedence of the rules of the game, otherwise (taken to extreme) players could stab one another. I think Guthrie crossed it. Quote
Bill Posted September 17, 2008 Report Posted September 17, 2008 Have since read the article Mike, i see they are talking about bringing in a sliding scale for the red cards next season so the more serious offences will get longer bans. I applaud that and see it as a much better alternative. Quote
MikeO Posted September 17, 2008 Author Report Posted September 17, 2008 The nice people at the FA have solved the argument . I knew they'd do something useful one day . Quote
Jimmy the blue Posted September 17, 2008 Report Posted September 17, 2008 I was. Not on here but I said it to Josh when we first saw it....the report of the broken bone made me post it. If someone made that sort of unprovoked attack on the street on someone you cared about Bill would you be happy if they got just a slap on the wrist, broken bone or no? There has to come a point where the laws of the land extend onto the fottball pitch...where is it? I fully agree with you Mike, when I watched that live I spilt my drink it was pure thuggery Quote
Romey 1878 Posted September 21, 2008 Report Posted September 21, 2008 http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,1...4175045,00.html A team of thugs? Quote
Josh Berno Posted September 21, 2008 Report Posted September 21, 2008 Couldnt agree more Mark. Do they have to be thugs because there that shite? Quote
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.