Blue 250 Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Just think on for a moment lads, what did winning the cup do for Pompey??????????????????/// sweet FA Put them into the history books as winners of the FA cup 2007-08, gave their fans something to be happy about/great day out, maybe picked up a few new fans because of the publicity, gave them a small but decent amount of prize money.All the players recieved a winners medal, and gained valuable experience of that type of ocassion........YEH!, they got nothing out of it! Some very average Portsmouth player may end his career with an FA cup winners medal, what's Cahill or Arteta got....at the moment? So ok, they have followed that with a very poor season! That's got nothing to do with winning the FA cup....has it Let's win the cup, and take it from there.Squads too small for champions league! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnalderson Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Just think on for a moment lads, what did winning the cup do for Pompey??????????????????/// sweet FA What did the Champions League do for Leeds? We aint ready for it as much as i would love to be in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraccerC Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 fa cup no doubt, it's silverware. i'd love us to get 4th as well though it owuld be better financially but the money would probably disappear anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy the blue Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 What did the Champions League do for Leeds? We aint ready for it as much as i would love to be in it If we can qualify with our injury list what makes you all think that we are not ready for it yet, based on that logic we'll never be ready. All four Prem sides have made it to the last eight and I would imagine they will predominate in the remaining matches. If we are to evolve as a club you have to grasp your chances when they come along. I have always said that the club needs a trophy but we also need a much higher profile and that is what the C/L brings. Pompey won the cup, they are now struggling for Prem survival as they looked on the cup win as a montain top, its not even halfway to the summit. As for Leeds, they spent like no tomorrow, we already have the players.....................God I do wish some of you would believe, ask david Moyes what he would want and it would be C/L every time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everton_Worshiper Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Just think on for a moment lads, what did winning the cup do for Pompey??????????????????/// sweet FA Different club, different setup, different situation..... ....so what's your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 where has the romance gone? the childhood dreams? i dont know about anyone else, but when i was a kid playing at wembley (my garden or the park) i never ran out (in my head) onto that pitch to win everton 4th place, i wanted to lift a trophy. i wanted to walk up them steps and pick up a medal. i never wanted to make the club financially sound. just a point i wanted to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everton_Worshiper Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 ^^^ :smile_anim: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnalderson Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 If we can qualify with our injury list what makes you all think that we are not ready for it yet, based on that logic we'll never be ready. All four Prem sides have made it to the last eight and I would imagine they will predominate in the remaining matches. If we are to evolve as a club you have to grasp your chances when they come along. I have always said that the club needs a trophy but we also need a much higher profile and that is what the C/L brings. Pompey won the cup, they are now struggling for Prem survival as they looked on the cup win as a montain top, its not even halfway to the summit. As for Leeds, they spent like no tomorrow, we already have the players.....................God I do wish some of you would believe, ask david Moyes what he would want and it would be C/L every time [/quot All 4 teams have qualified for the next round as they have very good, large squads and how much have they all spent on their players? We have a good first team, and without 1 or 2 stars, we rely on 16 or 17 year old kids. We simply cant compete with them financially. We can no way guarantee a top 4 spot every year at this moment in time and it would be be silly to believe otherwise untill we can compete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlmc25 Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 I wouldn't say Liverpool have a massive squad, they are totally reliant on Torres and Gerrard, they only have one decent striker (Torres) and no decent wingers. Winning the cup would be nice but it won't make any difference to the fortunes of Everton football club, it's just a nice day out and some history, qualifying for the CL could transform the club - that is the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnalderson Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 I wouldn't say Liverpool have a massive squad, they are totally reliant on Torres and Gerrard, they only have one decent striker (Torres) and no decent wingers. Winning the cup would be nice but it won't make any difference to the fortunes of Everton football club, it's just a nice day out and some history, qualifying for the CL could transform the club - that is the difference. Could we beat Madrid or any other CL team 4-0? How much money has Penfold wasted getting them where they are, we just cant find anywhere near that sort of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouse Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 I would take CL over FA Cup, financially to compete we need the CL money without this i dont think Moyes can take us onto the next level. The romance of the cup would be great, however from a revenue point of view it has to be the CL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy the blue Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 (edited) Different club, different setup, different situation..... ....so what's your point? Check what I've said EW. if you can't understand that let me know Could we beat Madrid or any other CL team 4-0? How much money has Penfold wasted getting them where they are, we just cant find anywhere near that sort of money. Penfold has been wasting a lot of C/L money. You have no need to beat teams 4 - 0, normally the shite scrape through ties and I'm sure we could do the same. IMO we are as good as Rangers or Celtic, better than a lot of teams who play in the C/L but for some reason people don't want Moyes and the boys to qualify for something they have worked towards all season...............................its that I can't understand. Most of you already know I would like a cup win for the kids, lets qualify for the C/L for the men (and women) Edited March 16, 2009 by StevO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maghull70 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Pompey won the cup, they are now struggling for Prem survival as they looked on the cup win as a montain top, its not even halfway to the summit. As for Leeds, they spent like no tomorrow, we already have the players.....................God I do wish some of you would believe, ask david Moyes what he would want and it would be C/L every time For Portsmouth it most likely was the summit. We are Everton and we have been to the summit before. From what youve said its like you think that by winning the FA CUP we will somehow follow in Portsmouth's footsteps and struggle the following season. Yes the Chumps League money would be nice BUT Who is to say its going to flow on to the team. Its possible it will pay a few debts off and Moyes will see very little of it. AND...Remember last time we finished 4th and got it the CL?. Didnt do us any good then did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troy8 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 As much as I'd love to have both, I really can't see them both happening, especially with finishing 4th. Arsenal are starting to pick it up, I think they will be very hard to finish above now based on current form and the fact they will most probably finish very strong, although I'll still hope for a miracle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy the blue Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 For Portsmouth it most likely was the summit. We are Everton and we have been to the summit before. From what youve said its like you think that by winning the FA CUP we will somehow follow in Portsmouth's footsteps and struggle the following season. Yes the Chumps League money would be nice BUT Who is to say its going to flow on to the team. Its possible it will pay a few debts off and Moyes will see very little of it. AND...Remember last time we finished 4th and got it the CL?. Didnt do us any good then did it. so tell me why Moyes prefers the C/L to the cup or is he wrong as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlmc25 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Could we beat Madrid or any other CL team 4-0? How much money has Penfold wasted getting them where they are, we just cant find anywhere near that sort of money. You missed my point, I didn't say Liverpool don't have a stronger team (although as our recent matches proved, not by much) all I'm saying is they don't have much strength in depth which is why they aren't winning the league even though they have beaten Man Utd and Chelsea twice. They lack the resources to rotate successfully as they have no one in reserve who can do anything like the job Gerrard and Torres do. That was my point. Yes, we don't have a very big squad but like Liverpool, we have a very good team so I see no reason why we couldn't win a few matches. Maghull, last time we won the cup (95) it didn't help us one bit, since we qualified for the CL a few years back we have steadily improved year on year and not looked back. Also, I don't think anyone in their right mind is suggesting that we'd rather finish 4th in the league, get knocked out again in qualifying, over winning the FA Cup. What we are suggesting is that we'd rather finish 4th, qualify for the CL properly and earn the £10-20m guaranteed whilst enhancing our reputation in Europe and allowing Moyes some room to spend in the transfer market, rather than winning a trophy which whilst very nice will only help enhancce our history rather than our future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy the blue Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 You missed my point, I didn't say Liverpool don't have a stronger team (although as our recent matches proved, not by much) all I'm saying is they don't have much strength in depth which is why they aren't winning the league even though they have beaten Man Utd and Chelsea twice. They lack the resources to rotate successfully as they have no one in reserve who can do anything like the job Gerrard and Torres do. That was my point. Yes, we don't have a very big squad but like Liverpool, we have a very good team so I see no reason why we couldn't win a few matches. Maghull, last time we won the cup (95) it didn't help us one bit, since we qualified for the CL a few years back we have steadily improved year on year and not looked back. Also, I don't think anyone in their right mind is suggesting that we'd rather finish 4th in the league, get knocked out again in qualifying, over winning the FA Cup. What we are suggesting is that we'd rather finish 4th, qualify for the CL properly and earn the £10-20m guaranteed whilst enhancing our reputation in Europe and allowing Moyes some room to spend in the transfer market, rather than winning a trophy which whilst very nice will only help enhancce our history rather than our future. Carl, I could not agree with you more mate, we need ambition. Its noticeable that no one will dispute the fact that the gaffer wants C/L as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 250 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Not really wanting to drag this thread into the realms of fantasy.....but I'm going to anyway! Cup or 4th!.......Blah!, Blah!,Blah.......Probably neither, both would be good.One better for us than the other, but which and why!.....this thread will continue untill one or both are won or out of reach. It was a good question, and still is, and has certainly got us all thinking. BUT my little fantasy..(well the one I'm going to share with you lot )...is And I know you shouldn't/can't do things like this....but! If through the changing room door walked a fully fit Arteta, Yakubu and Vaughan, maybe even Hibbert.....Then I would say that a team, with some or all of these players in it would, with our run in make 4th place......Hell, could even win the cup! So that's my new choice......BOTH Cup and 4th place....Oh and that would be 3rd place if Carsley hadn't gone .......See you shouldn't really start theses games, just never know when to leave it. Anyway, stop looking back get in the real world.....Man Utd have taken a serious confidence knock, we can win the FA cup, and Villa and Arsenal can be caught. So that's still my new choice BOTH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maghull70 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 so tell me why Moyes prefers the C/L to the cup or is he wrong as well? As an Employee of EFC its obvious Moyes would want the CL spot. As a supporter I want silverware. Am I wrong for wanting that?. People often talk about money spoiling the game and with talk of finishing 4th being preferable to winning the FA Cup because of the influx of cash it will bring then its easy to see why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlmc25 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) As an Employee of EFC its obvious Moyes would want the CL spot.As a supporter I want silverware. Am I wrong for wanting that?. People often talk about money spoiling the game and with talk of finishing 4th being preferable to winning the FA Cup because of the influx of cash it will bring then its easy to see why. We all want silverware, but we want it regularly rather than having to wait another 14 years. Without money it's going to get harder and harder to win anything, it's already basically impossible to win the league without serious financial backing and the fact that hardly anyone but the big 4 has won the FA Cup in the last 10 years suggests that the same is true with the major cup competitions. The fact is the game HAS moved on and money is important to try and achieve continued success and not just a one off cup win. Winning the FA Cup is short-term, qualifying for the CL is long-term. Edited March 17, 2009 by carlmc25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maghull70 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Winning the FA Cup is short-term, qualifying for the CL is long-term. Not when you stumble at the first hurdle like last time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Regulator Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 I think it's more a point of deserving it this year, we played shit in the start of the year and don't reallly deserve 4th unless we keep getting the wins, and play as good as we know we can. While the cup we played Liverpool twice, Villa, Borough, and now Man U, and probably Chelsea in the final, it just feels like we earned it. No other team played as many prem teams as us and we did well to get to the semi's. I'm sort of swaying towards C/L though, mainly because we have a few players to come back and we have a chance to strengthen the squad in the summer with some loans and frees, and maybe one big buy or 2 mediums. Plus, we could at least get past the qualifiers, after all we're a stronger team now than when we first qualified a few years ago. I'm sure we'd make the group stages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlmc25 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Not when you stumble at the first hurdle like last time. as I said before, this topic is a What if? I think both Jimmy and I are advocating 4th place on the basis that we DO qualify for the CL as otherwise you'd have to be clinically insane to want to finish 4th over winning the cup if we were to be humiliated in qualifying again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted March 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 I actually think nicking 4th place is more likley that winning the FA cup in all honesty, considering we are likey going to need to beat both Man U and Cheslea. Argubly the best two teams in Europe . Shame we have managed to get to the semi finals the year the other three semi finalists are likely to be Arsenal, Chelsea and Man U. If we managed to win the FA cup this season we will have had to have beat 4 of the 5 top teams in the Premiership, it will not have been a cup run of lucky draws against lower league teams, it will be an 'epic' cup run by any teams standard. Last season Portsmouth were the only Prem team in the last 4 and where favs going in to the last 4 - we are this years outsider. Is the FA cup a second rate competition? - Before Pompey won it last season, the last non top 4 club to win the trophy was Everton back in 1995!!! The FA cup is still a major trophy in my eyes, and very difficult to win The Premiership, the Champions Leauge then the FA cup - we are not going to win the first too in a month of sundays given the current football climate, and it is bloody hard to win the third. If we won the FA Cup this year, given the draws we have had then to me it would be a massive achivement. Qualification to the Champions League could be £20M in the bank and could also be a whole load of heart ache getting some footballing lessons from some savy top european teams, are we really of CL quality? £20M, while it would be most welcome, is still not going to all of a sudden going to make us punch with the big boys in the transfer market. As a few have already said it is no contest - Lifting the cup actually blows 4th place in the league out of the water for me. Although 4th place may actually be the easier task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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