pete0 Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 "Would love to debate some more with you pop back tomorrow if you can. Turning in now its been a long day." The virtual equivalent of putting your jacket on and going home after someones just had you off in the pub. Well done Nik. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 only good thing redcafe has is the rawk meltdown...haven't even got that this season....very few posters on there are fair minded..a lot of them are horrible bastards when you see them talking about other clubs..also this notion they can have what they want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedReds Posted April 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 only good thing redcafe has is the rawk meltdown...haven't even got that this season....very few posters on there are fair minded..a lot of them are horrible bastards when you see them talking about other clubs..also this notion they can have what they want My only gripe with them is that they love Cristiano Ronaldo and in spite of what Sir Alex said about Real Madrid and 'not selling them a virus', I think there seems to be some hypocrisy. Just because Ronaldo plays for them. If it had been Suarez, Torres, or Djemba Ba, they wouldn't get half as much attention. Secondly, the thread about Barcelona is ridiculous and it is impossible for any Barca fan to have a reasonable debate simply because they are outnumbered. For information purposes, I have a soft spot for Barcelona and I was a fan of Messi, long before Ronaldo left for Real Madrid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nikica Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 (edited) see you had some fun, Nik? Let's not forget that there are idiots like that at every club, and that they don't represent the majority of supporters. Also, Utd are hurting so I imagine anger might be getting in the way at the moment That's true, but it's also an easy get out of jail card. "Oh, every entity has bad elements so we're all equal". Nah. You know from my comments on here that I'm a Rangers fan who's tired of all the bigoted shite. I'm perfectly willing to admit that Rangers's fanbase is more scummy than many clubs'. By the same token, there's a trend amongst Man United fans of never giving the opposition credit and believing they have a divine right to win. Every time they lose a game they blame refs or the other team diving. Some examples: they moaned about Rafael's second booking against Bayern in 2010, even though he pulled back Ribery and it was a clear yellow. They were greeting about Nani's red against RM last season - yeah, I wouldn't have sent him off, but in truth it was more of an orange card and nowhere near the travesty they claimed it was. Higuan scored a wrongly ruled out goal in the same game, and rafael handballed on the line. They still moan about Drogba's offside goal in 2010, conveniently overlooking that Macheda scored with his hand afterwards (yeah, Drogba's goal altered the complexion of the game, but going by facts each team had a goal ruled out so it evened out). There's numerous examples of this. The only time I've ever seen them gracious in defeat is when Barca bummed them twice, and that's because they were so humiliated that it would have been embarrassing had they not been fair about it. Oh, and maybe Ronaldo's hat-trick for RM at OT. Most football fans are hypocrites but this lot are worse than most. They also overrate so many of their players (past and present) that it's laughable. Cantona better than Henry, Keane better than Vieira and Xavi, Evans better than Pique (despite the latter's poor form), Jones the new Edwards, Giggs the greatest legend in the history of the universe, Best as good as Maradona and Pele... None of these things are true, but they take top players and claim they are geniuses, or average players and claim they're future world-class players. The point is that their troubles this season aren't absolutes - it's not all because Moyes is an average manager, or all because they have a pretty uninspiring squad. It's a combination of both which has led to this clusterfuck. Yet factions of their fanbase seem hellbent on blaming one or the other. Why can't they understand that it isn't either/or? Also, Irwin, the guy posting on your site (Nick) isn't me. I'm not even English or an Everton fan, and I also didn't say anything about your grammar you clown. Perhaps you are confused because of the similar username and comments. Also, I've been lurking on Redcafe for years and have read plenty of your shite. You're a typical post-1992 fan who knows fuck all about the history of the game, and have latched onto a successful club, so enough of your bullshitting shite. You're the identikit Man United fan. As for the comment regarding Munich - it's extremely fair. You've dined out on it for years which can be forgiven to an extent. What can't be forgiven is the treatment of the survivors and plastering Munich memorial stuff all over the merchandise you sell. Nobody is disrespecting the fact that it was a major tragedy - if anything I'm standing up for the survivors who've been treated appallingly by your club. Every club has dubious practices behind the scenes, but United have a shadier history than many. It's funny when you call Chelsea and Man City 'sugar daddy' clubs because you wouldn't even exist right now if not for two wealthy benefactors (and I agree that those clubs' owners are reprehensible, by the way). I've had this debate on other forums, particularly with an Italian guy who was of the same mindset as I am - If we go back far enough in history it becomes clear that practically every club has been built by outside investment. The fact that yours happened over 50 years ago and on a smaller scale (even accounting for time and inflation) doesn't make you less of a hypocrite. It's this sort of hypocrisy and erasing what happened pre-1992 which irritates people. I've saw you talk about Arsenal being a 'proper club' - if you knew history you'd know that they were moneybags Arsenal in the thirties under Chapman. Modern football is disgraceful and money-orientated, but you've had a bigger part in that than most with your selling your arse to anyone who will buy via commercialism, as well as your stock market history.. Ultimately, if you and the other moron hadn't been such cunts with the unnecessary ad hominems in your initial responses (as well as repeated the Moyes myths about his Everton time), I wouldn't have said anything. However, given the way you two (and most of the rest of them) act(ed) on Redcafe, it didn't surprise me. I was expecting this small-time response. Evans > Pique "The overwhelming consensus is bitterness (and good riddance) towards Moyes. A little disrespectful don't you think?" Look at the hypocrisy and behaviour he's exhibited since leaving Everton. It is more than understandable. Also, this idea that Moyes has did so much for Everton and their fans should be grateful, is nauseating. He did well to stabilise them in the first half of his reign, and then he lowered expectations. They were going nowhere with him since 2009. Ultimately, he was a very well remunerated football manager, who lowered expectations at his previous club. Well played for stabilising the club, but acting like he did so much for Everton and they should be forever appreciative is absolute bollocks and typical of the way Man United fans think their staff should be treated and revered. "Finally, surely you have Moyes to thank for players like Baines, Barkley and Coleman" Goes to show how little they actually know about Moyes at Everton. Most people here think he was holding Barkley back. Also, Coleman was a great signing, but he's gone up a level or two since Martinez let him off the leash. You're both in denial about Moyes - he's never a Man United manager in a million years. Fans of every othe club (and some of your fanbase) can see that - but crackpot zealots like you two persist. Backing Moyes doesn't actually make you better fans - you're Man United fans, not Moyes FC fans. He's done nothing to earn your loyalty. "only good thing redcafe has is the rawk meltdown...haven't even got that this season....very few posters on there are fair minded..a lot of them are horrible bastards when you see them talking about other clubs..also this notion they can have what they want" Yep. They stereotype fans of other clubs and then cry foul when others do the same to them Banter is fine, but it's shocking how demeaning they are towards other clubs' fans - and I've noticed it tends to be the ones who aren't from Manchester/England who are the worst. Edited April 19, 2014 by Nikica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nikica Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 (edited) "A bunch of fucking loan players" Deulofeu has hardly played really - he's did well in cameos but his overall effect on the points tally or style of football has been marginal. Lukaku and Barry have been imperative, but in saying that Lukaku has had a spell out injured. Neither is the most important player in the team. So yeah, a 'bunch of fucking loan players' - all two of them in the entire team Also, it's pretty funny because most Man United fans have spent the last five years labelling Barry as 'shit' and citing him as a weak link in the Man City team - now all of a sudden he's the messiah and responsible for Everton's success. As for Lukaku, saying that 'Martinez has a good striker, Moyes didn't' is actually the antithesis of a defence of Moyes. He spent far, far too much on the likes of Andy Johnson, and if he was so great at finding 'gems', as has been reported, he'd have signed a striker of Lukaku's level at some point in the eleven years. Yet these clowns use Martinez's connections and intelligent loan signings as a defence of Moyes and an attack on Martinez Clueless. Edited April 19, 2014 by Nikica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nikica Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 (edited) iczster... get real mate. You forget that I've been reading your shite for years, long before you knew of my existence. You sound like the typical English football fan who knows fuck all about the history of the game, your club, or I'd bet I know more about United's history than you do. Coming from Manc doesn't mean you're not clueless. You also sound like the type of cunt who knows nothing about football outside of Britain and spouts shite about foreign leagues. I've already said you're right that Ferguson neglected the squad. However, it isn't a game of absolutes. Ferguson left a pretty uninspiring ageing squad, full of average 'young players', but that doesn't mean that Moyes gets a free pass. He simply isn't the man to sort it out. What the fuck does big fish in a small pond mean lol? You forget that I've been reading your shite for years and you didn't know me until yesterday. If you're referring to size of internet forums i.e. the fact that toffeetalk is smaller than redcafe, well that's just tragic. The big Manc hardman bragging about the relative size of internet forums I've talked football with guys far, far more knowledgeable than you. You're well out of your depth here pal, and assuming I can be bothered putting in the requisite effort (I'm already tiring of you two witless cunts), I will fucking decimate every single one of your dimwitted, clueless 'arguments'. Know fuck all about the English/British terrace mentality? I had a season ticket at Ibrox throughout the nineties ya clown - some of the shit I heard there was appalling. I also used to stand in the east enclosure as a very young kid, when standing was still allowed. It used to get pretty overcrowded in there which was frightening for a kid, so less of your patronising shite ya clown. You think you're a hardman - you're just a fucking pansy. Us Glaswegians make mincemeat of you Mancs, both in the 'hardman' and knowledge stakes, so don't fucking talk to me in such a threatening manner you past it wreck. I'm not a typical ABU - I hate your club because it's a cunt, not because of envy. I like and respect far more successful clubs than you, with far better teams and history of players (for example Barcelona). If your fans and the people in your club had mass personality transplants and stopped acting like such bitter, small-time cunts and moaning about phantom 'wrong decisions', then I'd have no axe to grind with you. Also, I hate Chelsea as much as I hate you, and Celtic even more, so please don't think you're special and unique in my attention, ya fucking clown. My comments on Munich aren't out of order. You're the one who is out of order for trivialising what your club has done to the survivors. Read about Jackie Blanchflower, read what his son has had to say. Read about Scanlon etc, and myriad survivors who were treated shoddily, chucked out of their homes etc. I guess they're all lying eh? I guess I'm pretending that you have commercialised Munich for profit, or about the Cantona fiasco? Superga was a terrible air disaster too but you don't see Torino dining out on it in order to maximise themselves as a club. Your club and the people who've run it are fucking stinking. Don't even get me started on that cunt Ferguson and his champagne socialism. I grew up near to where he lives and it's a great source of embarrassment to me. Oh, and you still haven't explained how two players in a team constitutes 'a team of fucking loan signings'. Sounds like your arithmetic is as poor as your knowledge of football. P.S. don't eat any of Edwards's meat, I hear it might cause a tummy ache. Clueless, dimwitted, moronic Manc reprobate. Edited April 19, 2014 by Nikica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nikica Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 (edited) It's also funny how you lot keep calling fans bitter, even though the bitterness has been spewing out of you since City won the lottery, and since Everton's 'loan' signings put them above you in the league. And let's not forget the u-turn on Barca - preferred by most to RM as a club (despite the fact all that RM did for you in the aftermath of Munich), but as soon as they make a mockery of you in front of the entire planet (twice)? We see mass threads about how 'disgusting' they are as a football team. Quite an impressive lack of self-awareness given the series of cheating, diving, thuggish cunts who have turned out for your piece of garbage club over the years. You're always calling other fans bitter but you are the most bitter of the lot - You aren't hated because you've won a lot (most of which thanks to Sky and the advent of the PL, as well as Ferguson being a cunt) - you're hated because you're a horrible, small-minded club who become envious and hateful when someone else is doing better than you. You can't stand when someone else receives praise, which is why you cried about the 'Barca wankfest' for over three years (even though it was far more warranted than the wankfest over your inferior 2008 team). And for what it's worth, you were tactically garbage in Europe for most of Ferguson's reign, were routinely hammered, and fluked both of your CL titles. "All in all one of the funniest posts I have read in years" And as a member of redcafe I can guarantee you've seen infinitely worse posts than mine. What a shite site that is. Man United - not better, just arrogant. Edited April 19, 2014 by Nikica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nikica Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 (edited) I'm in my early thirties - I know that you're older, hence why it was physically and practically impossible for me to go to games in the 70s and early 80s. That's why I called you a past-it wreck - because you think you're some sort of hardman despite the fact you're getting on a bit (hence the threatening tone). The truth is you'd get knocked out in a heartbeat if you spouted any of this threatening shite up here. What I'm saying is don't act the big man if you don't want some of in return. I've saw you try and act the big man on Redcafe so we know you have form for it. More importantly, you haven't actually addressed any of my points re Munich- all you've did is attack my personality. It's pseudo-psychological bollocks. I replied with ad homs too, but the key difference is that those were interspersed with evidence regarding events such as Muncih etc. Therefore, why haven't you replied to the Munich stuff? All you've said is that you will systematically annihilate my 'ill-informed' posts, but you haven't actually did it. Are you saying that the Munich survivors are talking shite when they criticise the club's actions? Are you saying that your club has never profited financially from Munich, or used it as a way to attract fans and become the huge club you are today? Are you denying the Cantona story? it's abundantly clear that you don't come from an academic background because in that environment people are required to provide evidence for their claims and arguments. As for 'walls of text' - I understand that an illiterate cunt such as yourself isn't used to elaborating on his points, but some of us operate on a higher plateau. Btw, if you're gonna try and demean Martinez, at least learn how to spell Guardiola's name properly. It's 'Pep', not 'Pepp', you ignorant fuckwit. Backing up my claims that you know nothing about foreign football. Also, calling me a dopey cunt - when it's obvious I'm far smarter than you - isn't fooling any neutral observer. Everyone knows what Man United fans are generally like and you're demonstrating it admirably. You're more than reinforcing the stereotype. "team full of loan players" - troglodyte You're one of these guys who does a bit of reading on Man United not because you care - but because you think being aware of some of the club's history might impress people and protect you from being labelled a plastic. It's transparent, mate. I will ask again - are you saying the Munich survivors are talking shite? Because their comments are the premise for part of my argument, and if you're saying they're lying, then Man United's reputation is clearly far more important to you than those events. In that case, it's a fucking insult to those who died and their survivors if you commemorate Munich every year. You clearly care more about the club's reputation than those who perished, and their relatives. "Also no clue what you are on about regarding size of forums. " You said I like being a 'big fish in a small pond' - seeing as we only know each other via the internet, what else could you be referring to? Other than the fact that I post on a smaller site (and I don't consider myself a 'big fish' on said site either)? Do I have to explain everything to you, you dim cunt? Use a bit of perception. Oh, and your defence of Moyes was garbage and isn't fooling anyone. As for 'years of underinvestment' - you've spent loads of money over the last decade, just spent a lot of it on shite. Now fuck off and die, imbecile. Agueroooooooooooo Edited April 19, 2014 by Nikica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Nikica, why are you replying to their posts here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nikica Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 (edited) Nikica, why are you replying to their posts here? A couple of the fannies had a few digs at me after I said they were out of order. I'd never sign up to their shite board so I replied here. Yes, it's all got way out of hand, but there's no way a couple of fannies like that should get away with calling the members who responded to their Q and A (of which I am not one) 'plastic, small-time, bitter cunts'. FFS, a representative of theirs comes on to a rival forum, asks questions, and then they abuse the respondents when they don't tell them what they want to hear. What a flock of absolute cretins. "No valid opinions, no persuasive argument, just utter bile and abuse" To the guy Nick on that site - that's IrwinwastheKing's MO. Remember this guy thinks Evans is superior to Pique - we're clearly not dealing with a great footballing mind, here. Edited April 19, 2014 by Nikica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Fair enough, you were just starting to look a little mad with the one way conversation . They probably won't come on here to read your responses so your keyboard has probably taken a hammering for nothing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nikica Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 (edited) Fair enough, you were just starting to look a little mad with the one way conversation . They probably won't come on here to read your responses so your keyboard has probably taken a hammering for nothing! I know you're a fairly laid-back guy, but I imagine some more temperamental Everton fans would be very pissed off with their initial comments. Nick joined up to argue with them, and I'm just backing your corner and calling them out on their media-sheep shite. That iczster dick has been reading my comments and replying, hence the retorts. Believe me, these are the type of nosey pricks who scour every forum to see what's being said about them or United or their rivals (hence why the RAWK meltdown thread was the biggest thread on Redcafe). They're reading this thread alright. I'm skimming this iczster guy's posts - he's so stupid that I almost feel like I'm bullying a child here. Edited April 19, 2014 by Nikica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nikica Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 (edited) Funny guys, this lot. They really were under the impression that Everton fans liked United because of a mutual dislike of Liverpool. They really do live in their own little bubble don't they? They liked Everton when they were 'plucky little Everton' and knew their place. Now that they're challenging United they don't like it - they're the same with every team who challenges their hegemony. The enemy of your enemy is not your friend. "There's several oppo's here and they are more than welcome to post and argue with us to their hearts content, but coming on here acting like a condescending twat wont fly" What do you expect when you attack Everton's fans simply because you didn't like their responses to your Q and A, you fucking moron? It was obvious that Everton fans would be reading that thread simply because, you know, you posted it on their sites. It isn't like some random guy joined up to attack your comments in a random thread. They expect people to lie down to them and their club. "And as for @nickk66, for someone so incensed at Everton fans being portrayed as bitter you haven't made much of a success of disproving that notion. You've spewed bile all over this thread." Of course, attacking the job Martinez has done and trying to credit Moyes with most of it, putting Everton's success down to the two regularly played loan players who 'comprise their whole fucking first team' (especially when you've been slating one of them for the last five years), and coincidentally changing your tune on Everton the very season they challenge you in the league...none of that is bitter at all. Certainly not... Edited April 19, 2014 by Nikica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nikica Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 They'll be gutted tonight - the plastics had laid all their eggs in the Chelsea basket due to their rivalries with Liverpool and the blue half of Manc. It's interesting that they launch crusades against the sugar daddy clubs and talk about how the traditional clubs are superior and more deserving - yet their rivalry with Liverpool still trumps that as they're their last preference for the league Tribalism outdoes the elitist 'ethics' you spout about then? Full of shit when it comes down it, no surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Nikica I salute you, I love that passionate shit!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedReds Posted April 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 (edited) A couple of the fannies had a few digs at me after I said they were out of order. I'd never sign up to their shite board so I replied here. Yes, it's all got way out of hand, but there's no way a couple of fannies like that should get away with calling the members who responded to their Q and A (of which I am not one) 'plastic, small-time, bitter cunts'. FFS, a representative of theirs comes on to a rival forum, asks questions, and then they abuse the respondents when they don't tell them what they want to hear. What a flock of absolute cretins. "No valid opinions, no persuasive argument, just utter bile and abuse" To the guy Nick on that site - that's IrwinwastheKing's MO. Remember this guy thinks Evans is superior to Pique - we're clearly not dealing with a great footballing mind, here. To be fair Nikica, the Q&A was genuine as we have done a few before. Now, I came here in good faith and the only thing I spoke about post-Q&A was about a hypothetical situation without the loan signings. Plus there was an error where you might have been confused with Nickk66 who is an Everton supporter and I could see how it looked. However, I have never come here and verbally abused you or the others, and you can check out my posts in the thread too. My username is Wythenshawe_Red. As it happens, I am a Manchester United fan, born and raised in Manchester, and supported them for 35 years. However, I knew what the responses would be since I asked for honest answers. Edited April 19, 2014 by UnitedReds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nikica Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 (edited) I didn't mean you personally by 'they' mate, I meant those two. I mean if they didn't want opposition fans taking the piss and talking straight then why do Q and As in the first place? I've seen respondents from other clubs abused in the same exercise on Redcafe. It just sums up what many people think - that lots of United fans are cowards who can give it but not take even half of it back. Although, if I'm not mistaken, you're the guy calling Nick bitter on that thread (I knew it wasn't me you were talking to, I was defending Nick, even though I don't even know who he is). I really don't get how Man United fans think everyone else is bitter yet you aren't. Surely, as someone who admits to having a soft spot for Barca, you can see my point that United's fans' uturn on the club was born of jealousy i.e. they're bitter because Barca pissed on you in two finals and the media love for them was far bigger than for your team which won the CL the year prior? You accuse Nick of being bitter but he's simply defending his club and fellow fans from fabrications and attacks - he was provoked. I will also quote what I say above about 'bitterness' "Of course, attacking the job Martinez has done and trying to credit Moyes with most of it, putting Everton's success down to the two regularly played loan players who 'comprise their whole fucking first team' (especially when you've been slating one of them for the last five years), and coincidentally changing your tune on Everton the very season they challenge you in the league...none of that is bitter at all. Certainly not..." That quote within the quote wasn't yours, it was iczter's. When I say 'you', I mean the members of the fanbase who have did it, not necessarily you personally. I simply highlighted your quote to reply to the bitterness aspect. If you're not biased you will admit that Man United fans show plenty of bitterness on a regular basis. It doesn't matter to me whether you're from Manchester or not, football is a global game now and everyone accepts that. There's some brilliant Everton fans here from far afield. However, Man United have a certain type of out of town 'fan' - the type who overcompensates on the bias towards the team and the tribalism because they're insecure about their own support and afraid of being called a glory-hunter if they criticise. I actually view critical fans as the best because they don't bury their heads in the sand. If every United fan was like Irwin, Moyes would be there for ten years - because he will come good with time, innit - and the club would be ruined. They'd also never sign top defenders because 'Evans is brilliant, he will replace Rio' (lol). They also bizarrely attack local Man City fans. Now, perhaps it's just me, but if I was supporting a club from another country or city (say Inter), I'd feel like a prize cunt by belittling the local fanbase of their rivals (Milan, in my example). Irwinwastheking is exactly this type of fan. This guy is from Ireland yet thinks it's acceptable for him to slate the fuck out of Man City fans who are actually from Manchester and support their local club? I've seen him call them plastics, unloyal etc. How many games does he go to a year? Or is his Sky Sports remote glued to his hand? It's like getting involved in someone else's civil war. Perhaps if he and others were 'loyal' to their local league it wouldn't be in such a fucking state. Like I say, banter and ribbing is fine and so is globalised support - that's football nowadays. But show some humility about it and don't be a total cunt towards the long-suffering local fans of your rivals. If I read them say something else that annoys me, I will reply. But, in truth, I knew what the two of them were like from their Redcafe days - two obnoxious oafs. They've showed no signs of improvement so I decided to give them as good as they gave to the respondents. Also, I find iczter's defence of the club's actions since Munich reprehensible. He clearly has zero respect for those who died, or the other victims. If he cared he would criticise the way the club has behaved. Sickening. By the way, it's funny that Irwin thinks creating a thread asking if Everton or Villa are bigger is somehow proof that he knows his football history. He clearly knows nothing about Arsenal's history given I've seen him say "they've always done things the right way"on Redcafe. Muppet Really don't like that guy - was one of the guys I considered the dregs of Redcafe. Edit: I haven't looked on that thread for a few hours. I just can't be bothered tonight as I haven't been sleeping well. Those two intellectually challenged dodos are boring as fuck, and never reply to points, so there's no real sense in continuing it. I've had my say on them and that's it, for now. Edited April 19, 2014 by Nikica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedReds Posted April 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Listen Nikica. I know you didn't mean me personally, I know that. However, sometimes, in heated conversations, things get said, and then it goes to a personal level and then everything just gets out of hand. One thing I have learned about my club is that there are fans who expect silverware every single year. I have seen an increase of this attitude since Sir Alex stepped down, where Moyes has only had 4-5 months in the job and they want him out. I have already had this argument with others, when I state quite categorically that it is a good job Sir Alex isn't our manager now, or if they were alive when he took over in 1986. They would have wanted him out before the seat was warm. The fans who paid for a banner to be flown over Old Trafford were a disgrace; they are allowed their opinion, but to do it like that just showed us up. In any case, the likes of Iczster and Irwin are good guys to be honest, and for some, this season has just been one horror story after another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nikica Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 (edited) Listen Nikica. I know you didn't mean me personally, I know that. However, sometimes, in heated conversations, things get said, and then it goes to a personal level and then everything just gets out of hand. One thing I have learned about my club is that there are fans who expect silverware every single year. I have seen an increase of this attitude since Sir Alex stepped down, where Moyes has only had 4-5 months in the job and they want him out. I have already had this argument with others, when I state quite categorically that it is a good job Sir Alex isn't our manager now, or if they were alive when he took over in 1986. They would have wanted him out before the seat was warm. The fans who paid for a banner to be flown over Old Trafford were a disgrace; they are allowed their opinion, but to do it like that just showed us up. In any case, the likes of Iczster and Irwin are good guys to be honest, and for some, this season has just been one horror story after another. First of all, you're likely to say Irwin and Iczster are good guys because you know them. From what I've seen over the years, they're not at all. They're envious, spiteful, inarticulate wastrels who abuse and attack anyone who doesn't tow the 'Man Utd are the best' line. Don't use the excuse that they're frustrated, because they were obnoxious cunts back when United were winning titles. They dished it out and now that the shoe's on the other foot they can't take it. I HATE football fans who are like that. Irwin was part of the 'talk up everything United cunt clique' on Redcafe, which includes the likes of Pogue, Chabon, Brwned, Brightonian, R Nick etc. All these guys (with the possible exception of Brwned) post like sarcastic cunts and abuse anyone who doesn't glorify everything Man United, and display very little insight in the process. It's no real surprise that they're moderators there because it's a typically cliquey website. As one example, look at how much of a Welbeck fanboy Chabon is! The threads on there are full of drivel by stats-obsessed clowns like him who are desperate for Welbeck to be far better than he truly is. Whenever someone dares to criticise Welbeck, they're attacked by idiots like he and Drainy. Iczster and Irwin are steeped in the Redcafe 'personality'. They may be good guys in real life but they come across as utter cunts online. I'm just giving them a taste of their own medicine. And really, they're both very poor debaters. Anyway fuck them - I never expected to have any contact with either of them. You're also towing the party line on Moyes. I agree that the plane thing was disgraceful, that's just embarrassing. However, everyone knows that Moyes isn't the right man. I said it at the time on another site and was shouted down by someone calling himself 'The Football genius'. Obviously I've indulged in some 'I told you so' banter recently.That screen name looks laughable now. The great thing about the internet compared to the pub is that now all the drivel people speak is permanently recorded in written form, so they can be pulled up on their shite. My thoughts on Moyes are extensive in a certain thread on this site. However, he's simply a mid-table manager. His safe football is suited to lesser players, whereas Martinez's more expansive style is suited to better players. That's why Martinez is flourishing after taking the step up and Moyes is failing. I'm aware that Martinez might not keep it up, but the point is that his philosophy makes success more likely as compared to Moyes's banal shit. Moyes may improve you next season, but you'll never consistently challenge for the title with him in charge. Those guys calling for Moyes's head are being better fans than you, imo (when they do it respectfully). They see he's not the right man and want the best for the club, whereas Moyes supporters can't see he's not the right man, never was the right man, yet this delusion that Man United don't sack managers (you sacked plenty between Busby and Ferguson, and it's easy not to sack managers when you luck out on someone as good as Fergie) leads to some of you upholding some bizarre set of principles. Some of you seem to think that time is all that's needed and he will come good. No. Look at the top clubs around Europe - very few of them keep a manager longer than a few years and they'd all have sacked Moyes by now. Why do Man United think they're so special? I said at the time that Moyes was a xenophobic choice (Ferguson is known for having a liking for British style players and football, and British managers) and he was only selected because he's Scottish (I'm a Scot myself so I'm slating my own countrymen here). It's a small-minded way to run a club - particularly when the best players, managers and teams in contemporary football are not British. As for Ferguson in '86 - completely different. The club was on its arse at the time and he restructured it. Moyes is walking into a club with issues on the playing staff side, but is still built commercially to challenge at the top of English football. His struggles have been more pronounced than even I imagined. Ferguson was a top manager, Charlton a great player, but they should have looked around Europe, because there's far better young(ish) managers than Moyes going about. Your club has been way too insular on its biggest decision in years and you're paying the price. Oh, one last thing: great leaders should never be allowed to select their successor. Edited April 19, 2014 by Nikica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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