Oztoffee

Yes. But I'll give him 6 weeks.....no change in tactics or thinking, Goodbye!

Back on Topic...... I never mentioned team performance, I was purely spitting at the fact that we have a 26mill player who can't trap a ball, has a worse first touch than me, doesn't score anywhere enough goals to be considered as anything but a part-time forward and has the belief that he's God's gift to whichever team has paid his wages this week. Ball control is innate, can't be taught....if you don't have it, you can't learn it. Rom doesn't have it. I'm sure Dunc is working hard on him, but I fear he's fighting a losing battle because if you have no first touch with the number of games Roms has under his belt (Chelsea, W. Brom and Everton let alone his European stints) you will never have it. Not scoring enough? Tough one this......should we have to change the way a team plays to accommodate a player? Or should a 26mill player be able to play well enough in any team plan? I remember the 'Feed the Yak and he will score' mantra that was essentially correct, but the team rarely played to his strength. Yak (and also Rom) are passengers at best in games where they are not an integral part of the goal-scoring plan especially when it seems like the days of the goal-poacher are over. Jimmy Greaves /Gary Linekar wouldn't get a game now as the out-and-out 'goal-hanger' has to be a proper team player and be much more involved than just scoring goals. As to Roms self-belief, unmatched in my opinion. He has such a high opinion of himself, I firmly believe he thinks he's at Goodison to do us a favour. High opinions have to be earned, they are not bestowed for nothing and he's doing himself no favours in that department. Oh, and by the way, I wasn't comparing League 1 with Europa League. But some of the teams that make it to the draw proper are not in any way comparable to the Prem. Rom scored a lot of goals in EL that dried up when the opposition got better....that was the point I was trying to make before the thread got hijacked (maybe because a few didn't agree with what was being said).

Agree with all of the above. I can't believe how quiet this thread has gone following the game. Maybe everybody's finally woken up and are now thinking like others have on here for a long, long time. The guy can't play at prem standard for shit. He was great last seaon in the Europa when he was essentially playing against championship and league 1 level teams. Fell over to be less than adequate against good opposition. C'mon where are all the Rom lovers now?

After his inept display against Watford, who out there is thinking 'we bought a lemon'? I've seen so little in his EPL performances that one wonders if Bobby must be thinking the same thing. He also realises that the club spunked up 26million or thereabouts 'so I have to play him'. We wuz robbed!

You could substitute any of last seasons games, change the opposition shirts and you'd never know the difference. Same old, same old.... Is there a book on how long Bobby will be there for? 4-1 gone before Xmas at this rate!

Haf said Football has gone to the dogs, it really has. In it for the money only....no sense of respect for the other teams....no sense of tradition.....no sense of honesty or loyalty. Just to show you what's going on in OZ...the shite have been here and played to packed houses. I guarantee less than .5% of those attending have been a 'fan' for over 10 years. Right now, Citeh, Roma, Inter and Real Madrid are here in the International Champions' Cup. The same 'fan' thing as above applies to Citeh. The others have a good fanbase here as there are hundreds of thousands of Italian immigrants here who also appreciate what Real have been and still are. True supporters. Not your 'Johnny come lately I'll support them because they always win' shitheads. Sounds like I'm green with envy....nah, just pissed off because the game I love has gone down the shitter!

Gone real quiet about Lennon. Is the deal with Spurs/Mirallas gonna happen? Or could we get him for a reasonable fee without another deal? Wot Ya Think?

Palace??? FFS

. Its a symptom of the model that we have been operating in that some fans want us to sell him. Would Liverpool, Man United, Chelsea or City sell him? Not a chance. But little old Everton should cash in on the chance that he could be another Rodwell.... he ain't, his talent is just too rich for that. It may take work on his mentality but it will get through. C'mon mate, this isn't about cashing in.......it's about having a player that's pretty useful most of the time. If you think that Ross is useful most of the time, please let us all know why you think that way -NOW- not next season. He's playing this season, so please tell me how he is useful this season. Haf said earlier that Ross looked lost in the two pre-season games so far and that's a good sign that he hasn't been playing football. WTF Haf? I have the greatest respect for your knowledge, but mate...Really? He's rusty and that's a good sign? He looked lost and really out of his depth.

I'm going to get a lot of stick from some for this....but I can take it. There are a lot of blue glasses put on when Ross is mentioned. Honest to god, I really don't think he's that good that he deserves such praise and adulation. Yes, he's young and makes mistakes as many have pointed out on his behalf, but really in all honesty what has he done that is so awe inspiring that he is able to command such respect while achieving so little? Many say 'he's one for the future', but to be able to say that, a prime requisite is that he has to do something occasionally now! But he does not. To me he's the most frustrating player we have - bar none. The game against Stoke was just a continuation of the ineffectual matches he had all last season. It is not enough to have an 'alright' game now and again or a moment of brilliance when it's surrounded by months of dross. The lad gets caught on the ball continually match after match, losing team momentum but more often losing team possession. Don't get me wrong here, I want the lad to succeed but he is not going forward at all and keep making the same mistakes. He won't lay it off until the very last moment and quite frequently (no exaggeration) leaves it too late. He rarely passes the ball forward, mostly back because he has dithered too long on making a choice and the opposition have closed up in front of him. He's either playing way out of his comfort zone in terms of his level of talent, he's being forced into playing that midfield role that his close control can't match in terms of his slow decision making or he's playing for the wrong team, because whatever talent he may or may not possess is most certainly lost where he's playing at the moment. I don't think it's the wrong team, because he generally plays just as badly for England, although with the U21s he does better. If someone came in with a decent offer, I'd bite their hand off at the elbow.

There was a 30 min TV programme here on the Asia Trophy and the teams involved. Interviewed Martinez who said that the tournament was crucial in our season start up Prep and Everton will start the season as the fittest Everton team ever. Also showed some of Martinez and Robles at the Cup Final and the last game when they were relegated.......long faces! Strangely too there was a 10 min snapshot of Anders Limpar - the Everton and Arsenal link up I guess. I'd never seen him before, being in NZ for a good number of years at the time where football doesn't exist apart from millions of junior teams who all want to play for the All Blacks when they grow up! Limpar was a remarkable player who liked to pop in goals out of nothing. Times have changed now and you have to be a worker - not just a goalscorer. Pity really, no room for the George Bests and Jimmy Greaves these days.

Can't believe some of you want to sell him. Apart from the fact that he occupies the one position in the team that we already have no back-up for, he's arguably the best in the Prem. So you are proposing that we sell Coleman, have no back-up and have to bring in another player ,2 really, who of necessity would cost less (because we're having to buy 2 players) and thereby must not be as good and so weaken the squad? What is the upside to this? If the lad really wants to go, then go he must, but it's absolute madness to sell just because some twat team offers attractive cash for him just because they can. There has to be something in any deal that is good for both sides........this deal does not in any way favour the seller. If we had 2 more backs on the books that are capable, and one can step up; great! But we haven't. Let's get some common sense into this thread FFS!

Not another bench-warming, ball artiste. Great ball control and can be exciting on his day, but like too many wingers not enough exciting days. He's looking for regular football, so solid off the bench and cup matches ain't gonna cut it.

May be so, but what further info is there on the subject? The Heaton thing has gone really quiet...does this mean that Tim's not going home or does it mean it's all gone quiet because Heaton is a real starter? Everton never seem to just sign someone that is not on teveryone's radar...every transaction is a long drawn-out affair, (See Gerry and Cleverley) I'm just wondering whether the Heaton deal is different.

Any update of the Tim back to USA situation? If he left, what is the financial situation? Would the club let him go for a humanitarian reason? Maybe a give-away fee for an MLS club?

Great idea. Don't get too hung up on details guys...it was just a thread for fun.

Why is it that total cnuts like Suarez, Ballotelli and Sterling seem to gravitate to the shite? Perhaps they deserve each other>

Some have said he was an alien!

With so many names being bandied around now, who would your best team be with all 11 costing less than 10 mill. each? No matter if they are under contract or whatever, just pick a team!

If his agent has Garbutt's best long-term interest at heart he'd advise him to accept. However, Greedy gutter-rats and bottom-feeders as they are, they have only their best interest at heart. How refreshing it would be if players could sue their agents for giving them bad advice!

reported on NSNO today that his agent is in discussion with Roma. Quoted from Italy's La Gazzetta Dello Sport. Hmmmm.

POTY and YPOTY Really must be Stones. Started the season on the bench basically and made the position his own. A class player in all senses of the word, he gives 'promising player' a new dimension, way above the other 'promising players' we have, (Lukaku, Barkley) who have one good game and four crap ones. Stones has made mistakes, but he's always in the game unlike others I could name (but everyone knows who they are) He puts his mistakes behind him immediately, learns from them and gets on with it. A true class player who will only get better.

Shit oh dear! I hadn't realised that things were so bad. Honestly though, Everton has seen many forwards' careers go down the gurgler. They arrived in top form and departed broken men. We havn't been able to support goalscorers for many, many years in this club across many managers. So what is the reason?

Honest to god, if we have to rely on Fair Play to get in, we're well off the pace for the competition. After last season's league debacle that was set up by being in the Europa League, I'm amazed that there are fans who are hoping to get in the competition again. I said about 3/4 years ago ' be careful what you wish for'. I hate to rub it in, but why in god's name do we want to do that again? Our squad is paper thin and many players are not able to commit fully to 2 games a week (why, I don't know). Another season like this one would be a punishing one both physically and mentally for the players. FFS, give them a rest...I know I need one away from the crap we've been served up this season.

Your post says it all. 3 prospects, 1 former Greek leading scorer, 3 x 1 of the best, best lb. Apart from your appraisal of Baines (who I believe has his heart elsewhere this season and the latter part of last season), the rest are either all prospects, or one of the best (in other words - not the best). From your own writings then it appears that Baines is the only top player. Every other club could say the same thing 'we have one of the best' or 'a great prospect'. And it's true. Even the 'lower rated' clubs have great prospects and 'one of the best's! By and large our 'prospects' are not performing, with the regular exception of Stones. And of course the likes of Baines, Jags and Coleman are not immune to the odd stinker.....too many unfortunately. Stoke, Swansea, West Ham and others have had better seasons than us, and have entertained along the way, unlike Everton, yet we consider that we have a good team. It's time to take the blue glasses off and see the situation as it really is. We have an ordinary squad that plays above it's weight at times and sinks to the depths of inadequacy at other times (unfortunately the latter far too often) and we have a couple of outstanding players, one of whom says he doesn't like football! We have an ordinary manager who in his first season promised so much only to deliver so much less in his subsequent season. That in itself is cause enough for a little alarm without the banal, rather pointless, sometimes downright embarrassing remarks at after-match interviews and a complete lack of guts and guile when subs are the subject. In short, we are far from being in the top echelons of the Prem and are destined to be a mid-table team unless there is a real shake-up in the close season and the manager gets to grips with what makes a team go. (He should know this already having taken Wigan to a Cup Final win!). So get the blue glasses off and see the situation as it really is. Hopefully Martinez has a better season next year and the players play like they want to win, not like at present where they play as if they are just picking up a wage packet every week.