Chach
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2 hours ago, RPG said:
I don't see it as being tough on Corbyn at all. His extreme left wing policies have history in UK - it always ends in tears and Corbyn, imho, is not only no different, he is far worse than his far left predecessors.
Which "extreme left wing polices" and which "far left predecessors" is he worse than?
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7 hours ago, pete0 said:
There's publication on how Gov manipulate employment stats. Peter Stefanovic mentions a couple in the vid too.
So I'm asking you a very simple question. What jobs have been created? (Eight!)
Wages are artificially low atm, nothing to do with the workforce. It's the poor governance from our austerity party. More than helped by the dismantling of unions power since Thatchers days.
The wages are that poor now, coupled with the crippling cost of living, a lot of Polish for example have moved back or gone elsewhere. Skilled labourers were bleeding when were desperate for more houses to be built.
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10 minutes ago, pete0 said:
Our rich are getting richer. They can afford to pay more wages. More wages creates more spending, which creates more jobs.
Wages will go up in any sector when there's more jobs than workers Pete., more chance of this post Brexit.
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3 minutes ago, pete0 said:
You keep deflecting. I asked you first and now for the 7th time....
Acknowledged, it's not 100% correct. However it still had proof jobs were lost. Something you seem to deny or claim it's just a big cowinkydink.
Zero deflection from me, I made no claims other than employment had risen to your claim it had fallen, the jobs market is constantly in a state of change, most companies go broke over time jobs are constantly being lost and replaced that doesn't mean it's a result of the referendum.
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3 hours ago, pete0 said:
I'm not one for minimum wage, it has the opposite effect. Businesses used to be more inclined to pay a fair wage, more so if there was a union. But now you have places like Sainsbury's making billions yet paying minimum wage.
You sound like a left winger who hasn't heard the left wing argument for Brexit, how do you think you create wage growth Pete? With unlimited amounts of labour?
Why do you think Corbyn has been a eurosceptic his whole life, you can't even have unions if you've got unlimited cheap labour sources, they just don't work.
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4 hours ago, pete0 said:
Deflect? I've asked you 6 times, you're making me sound like a Liverpool fan now ffs.
Can't read the article but the headline doesn't make me feel like it answers what the boom is. Acute labour shortages
Do you think it's helping your cause that you posted fake news you hadn't read that confirms your bias then fail to acknowledge it when it's shown to be fake?
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15 minutes ago, MikeO said:
You can call it a "masterstroke" all you like, and it may work, but it's unquestionably hypocrisy of the highest order (again) and undemocratic (again). Reprehensible for me.
Plot twist:
Corbyn blocks a GE before Brexit and the UK crashes out with no deal. In the ensuing clusterfuck Labour win a GE and free of the capitalist shackles of the EU socialises everything.
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2 minutes ago, RPG said:
I don't doubt his expertise but the problem with most experts is that they invariably either have their own agenda or are the victims of various lobby groups.
I think that over 3 years of debate and negotiations is enough. It's time!
You didn't watch it though did you, there's been no debate. Just people shouting at each other about things they haven't got a clue about.
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Professor Michael Dougan, Jean Monnet Chair in EU Law, University of Liverpool, outlines the challenges faced by the UK and then the options available.
Been up since January and has less than 7k views, Gove was right about one thing, "people have had had enough of experts"
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6 hours ago, RPG said:
UK will thrive and prosper outside EU.
What time frame are you putting on this, what will be the extent of the initial contraction assuming no deal and what mechanisms/actions do you think will lead to the eventual thriving?
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17 hours ago, pete0 said:
*Butts wall*
What jobs? What industry? What companies? How much they paying in these new jobs?
https://www.ft.com/content/36baacce-ddd0-11e8-9f04-38d397e6661c
Now stop trying to deflect and respond to the fact that you posted a fake news site where a loony twitter activist is attributing bogus job losses to something that hasn't happened.
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That's better!
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13 minutes ago, pete0 said:
I'm not asking for statistics. I'm asking you what jobs have been created, what industry is booming?
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3 minutes ago, pete0 said:
People have lost their jobs and that's a fact. Call him a joker all you like those who have lost their jobs aren't laughing.
I'll ask for the third time. What jobs have been created? What industry is booming?
It is a joke, the clown has Jamies Oliver's restaurants and Debenhams in there.
Everything you need to know about job statistics is contained in this link
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes
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33 minutes ago, pete0 said:
The original link I put names all the jobs lost if you scroll down.
You claim employment is up yet haven't provided evidence of which jobs? What industry is booming?
You said wages are up but they're still lower than 10 years ago. Stop reading the telegraph or the mail and give Peter Stefanovic a Google, he's got loads about it.
All the links you've posted have been by partisan hacks, I scrolled down and its a joke by a joker.
The very first check of his methodology falls over, Aviva 1800 job losses in England attributed to Brexit
Reality 1800 WORLDWIDE in business as usual downsizing to reduce costs
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48538964
If you want data forgot the media and go direct to the source
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes
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11 hours ago, pete0 said:
Are you?
The Cheshire plant still employs 1,000-plus workers despite more than 650 job cuts since last year.
Big fucking coincide then
Any comment on the wages after watching the Peter Stefanovic vid?
Yes I am, you are using the threat of closure in a news article as evidence to back up your claim that "1000's people have lost their jobs". It doesn't take a Rhodes scholar to see the fallacy.
The video demonstrates nothing (he provides zero evidence) other than after 10 years of austerity, wage growth off a low base is cold comfort for people doing it tough which is probably very true. It does nothing to demonstrate your claim that the Brexit withdrawal process has decimated jobs because it demonstrably hasn't. Those impacts will be post Brexit and will be easy to identify.
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Just now, pete0 said:
So it's just a big coincidence the timing and all the car companies fucking off?
Are you actually reading these articles Pete or just googling closures? These are not helping your argument.
Also, correlation is not causation.
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9 minutes ago, pete0 said:
As far as I know the boom is in low paid shorter houred contracts. People are losing full time employment and having to take part time work with worse and worse conditions.
This is also demonstrably not true, wage growth is faster than inflation and full time work higher.
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2 minutes ago, pete0 said:
A quick google will show people have lost their jobs
These jobs have been replaced with what? What is the booming industry? As far as I know the boom is in low paid shorter houred contracts. People are losing full time employment and having to take part time work with worse and worse conditions.
A quick read shows the headline was misleading.
"The Welsh plant, which has been manufacturing engines for 40 years, has been under threat of closure for some time. This is in part due to falling demand for the two engines it produces, as well as low projections for the Dragon engine, which the factory was due to start making this year."
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12 minutes ago, pete0 said:
And what jobs are those?
Pete, you claimed 1000's lost their jobs because of Brexit (which hasn't actually happened) a quick google will attest to a jobs boom in the UK.
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13 minutes ago, pete0 said:
Why would you not care about those things. What did they care about, just leaving for the sake of it? What were people voting for? I'd say the three biggest things were NHS, promise everyone would be better off, and xenophobia.
They said we wouldn't lose jobs and that was just remainers trying to scare them. It wasn't, it was the truth. Just as the 1000s who lost their jobs.
I'm not sure about that link mate, the compiler looks like he might have an agenda, doesn't seem like totally unbiased reporting
https://twitter.com/mrhickmott
Factcheck says employment has increased
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10 minutes ago, pete0 said:
Leave said no jobs would be lost and everyone will be better off. Oh and it'll be a smooth exit. Clearly they can't deliver on that. They won on broken promises and xenophobia. We're very close to a East Germany situation but you think that's okay as the people voted for it? Even though those people were tricked/mislead.
Again, you're guessing leave voters cared about those things but wheres the demonstration of that position? Leavers will say they can deliver it, they just need the chance.
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38 minutes ago, holystove said:
Do you think Leave would have won if the prominent Leavers had said before the referendum what they did after?
Seeing as were going to only respond to half the arguments, I'll finish with I don't think the main issue was even on what the deal would be for a significant number of leavers and it was a referendum by proxy on immigration. With hindsight I think leave was always going to win and would very likely win a second referendum.
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37 minutes ago, holystove said:
Britain's economy is far more exposed to Brexit risks than the rest of Europe. Maybe the Irish are shitting themselves but even they will not experience as much disruption as the UK; when you go east of Germany, Brexit barely registers. The FT put it very clearly two days ago: "Brexiter's suggestions that the EU will capitulate because they dare not risk a no-deal rupture misunderstands the fundamental weakness of threats made with a gun pointed at your feet".
I still think it's very likely they prefer a deal, and the threat of no deal is the only real option to see where their pain threshold is.
Does anyone east of Germany have any political clout?
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In terms of relative economy size and agreement, lining up would be a mild way of putting it