Chach
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Romey, I haven't read your post but I think you are wrong.
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@Matt were you after replies to this or just getting it off your chest?
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28 minutes ago, Hafnia said:
Would you like to go and look after some highly likely covid patients armed with nothing more than a surgical mask between their air particles and your lungs - and be told you can get the required protected standard when you are treating a covid tested positive patient? Surgical masks offer very little protection for the majority of medical procedures.
The fact that patients aren't getting tested till they have symptoms and even then it's a 3 day wait.... which added on to the 14 day incubation period means you are likely facing huge amounts of viral load every shift. Would you be happy to work in those conditions????
Experts in the field? Bollocks, it's all about the inability to protect due to poor procurement and preparation. School kids making visors for staff.... tattoo artists dropping off gloves etc
Look at the UK health care staff vs those in South Korea....
Cross infection is rife, vulnerable patients without covid are being seen by doctors who are vehicles for transmission due to poor PPE.
It's absolutely scandalous. Which part of the UK are you in? How is your local general doing? Ate your staff adequately protected???
People always look at the picture of blokes over 100 years ago working up the rockerfella centre, sat on iron girders having a ciggie and lunch.... accepting that as mad as it was they probably needed the money and sacrificed safety for the ability to feed their family..... health care staff in 2020 shouldn't be those blokes!
Very emotional response there mate, you claimed the government had purposely downgraded a disease in order to save money on PPE and laid the entire blame at the feet of the elected representatives. A post pretty much anyone with a political bias against tories agreed with as though it was the gospel truth.
When challenged with reasonable and factual information, all the toys go straight out of the pram and the whataboutism starts even though you get very close to the truth when you state it's very likely a failure of planning and procurement.
And people wonder why our political discourse is in the toilet.
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10 hours ago, Hafnia said:
So that's a ranking that was changed based on new data though and by all accounts I've heard from Epidemiologists this virus ranks down the scale in terms of infectious diseases, one I heard who was debunking the "this escaped from the Level 4 infectious disease lab in Wuhan" conspiracy theory said this was level 2 at best.
Even when you look at the criteria listed in the link you supplied it doesn't meet the criteria for a HCID.
The particular claim made that they lowered it specifically to reduce the PPE required doesn't seem to hold up to scrutiny because the PPE requirements have have been updated and increased.
These decisions are being made by experts in the field who are held to the highest ethical standards, not elected members of parliament (whose ethics are questionable at the best of times)
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18 minutes ago, Hafnia said:
Shit runs from top to bottom. If middle management comply with the shit from the top in order to fit with budget then they are failing their staff. This isn't new.... the nhs and the workers close to the frontline have been highlighting these issues for years.
Like any business you will get "yes merchants" who want to stay in favour of their bosses and don't rock the boat and get paid.
I know for a fact that voices are not heard. The PPE is an absolute joke - the government downgraded the rating of the disease to fit in with the lack of ppe. It's criminal.
But with regards to occupational health and safety the people who have control of workplace would and should take responsibility with duty of care going down the line. We're not talking about some labourers working with a building product they don't know causes cancer in this instance, these are all university educated people.
It's not like this was a surprise, we were all watching China for a couple of months.
Do you have a source for the downgrading of the disease?
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19 minutes ago, Matt said:
Only possible if you have the budget to have precautions planned, let alone resourced.
That planning could be done within general business as usual risk management it wouldn't require its own budget, it wouldn't even be that big a piece of work in the context of a health system bureaucracy that large. If that work hasn't been done then it's almost certainly a failure of management and I don't see how you can immediately blame the government even though they must take ultimate responsibility.
The Blair government threw money at the NHS left right and centre, was there a pandemic management plan then?
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On 03/04/2020 at 18:40, Hafnia said:
I'm not usually politically vocal but the coronavirus and the government's appalling handling of it all has made my blood boil.
Essentially as it stands the nhs workers are being told to risk their lives because they aren't valued by our government. Plain and simple.
They have downgraded the severity of the disease in order to ensure they can't be prosecuted for not providing the correct level of protection.
Great Ormond street hospital has 8 covid patients and have 10 times as many staff who have tested positive. This disease is being caught and spread due to nothing less than manslaughter..... before long there will be no healthy staff to look after patients.
Stay inside everyone. It really is getting horrendous.
So for clarity, how are you putting responsibility for this with the elected reps and not the people paid to run the NHS?
I know this is a novel virus but in terms of infectious diseases its fairly low down the ladder, surely medical professionals should know what precautions to take?
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On 05/04/2020 at 01:06, MikeO said:
As I said I don't know much about him just going on his demeanour really, hope I'm wrong and you're right.
He was the Director of Public Prosecutions so I have no doubt he's a mad dog in a scrap, he also might come across as a bit posh but his mum was a nurse and his dad a fitter and turner so his soul is fundamentally purer than his opponents
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On 04/04/2020 at 00:03, RPG said:
I'll give you that one. My post could have been clearer. Blair criticised Brown as PM but I will certainly criticise him as Chancellor for his £100 billion raid on pensions. Lots of people will never forgive him for that.
factcheck says no.
"But to suggest that he 'comprehensively, single-handedly destroyed' the nations pensions is an absurd exaggeration."
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On 03/04/2020 at 19:23, RPG said:
So, you are in Australia, yet I get flak for commenting on UK Issues from Dubai and told that I I should regrain from comments as I am not directly affected, while you are twice as far away from UK as me. Classy!
Show me one time I have criticised you for having an opinion on UK politics.
We ALL comment on US politics and only about 3ish of us are from there, the reason we're on here is because we're opinionated!
I demand a retraction!
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18 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:
Harvard studies have shown working from home actually increases worker productivity. I have been petitioning my work (before this crisis) to allow full work from home (i work remote 2 days a week usually) as a way for everyone to be more productive and have better work/life balance. i'm hoping with this crisis and everyone working from home now they will see the benefits. Thankfully we aren't doing video meetings, just audio, i can understand how video meetings would be awful. have you seen the tweet going round about the lady who goes to the bathroom during the video meeting not realizing everyone is watching her?
We better all agree not to be too productive or they might realise they don't need us all!
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18 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:
the country you live in had people in similar conditions on Manus Island (might still have them there). USA has people in Guantanamo in cuba with no trial and torturing them daily. we still take australia and usa info as credible. no country is perfect (i'm not saying any of those actions are excuseable, they are not).
That's whataboutery, Australia has had mandatory detention since the 90's for people arriving without a valid visa. (most of whom have been settled here as soon as their identify and status as refugees could be established)
That is not analogous to detaining your own citizens and subjecting them to "re-education" because of their religious beliefs and then harvesting the organs of citizens who won't comply.
The US and Australia are taken as credible because they ARE credible, we have multi layered government systems with separation of power and a robust free press. There is no comparison.
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20 hours ago, RPG said:
1) That's defending him? As Chancellor, Brown inherited a strong economy and low unemployment and he trashed them both in a cynical attempt to buy votes - which also failed. Even Blair later admitted that Brown had failed. Worse, that he knew he would fail!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/aug/31/tony-blair-gordon-brown-disaster
We haven't even touched on how he destroyed pensions yet. But being a public servant I suppose you still have your very generous taxpayer funded pension scheme to look forward to in retirement.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/may/12/public-sector-pensions-100k-rise-threefold
1) There's nothing in that Guardian article where Blair trashes Brown's performance as Chancellor. ( You're going to need more evidence that a news article link to demonstrate Brown's fiscal policy wrecked both employment and the economy too by the way)
2) Nice attempt at an ad hominem there, but pension schemes in Australia are mandated under law whereby ones employed contributes 9.5% on top of your salary into you fund. Private or public sector.
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2 minutes ago, RPG said:
So how do you defend Brown's post gold standard fiscal dealings then?
Government debt as a proportion of GDP under Brown was lower than the previous Tory government, government spending as a % of GDP has been constant since the war.
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On 29/03/2020 at 20:04, Matt said:
WFH
Update, two days WFH and have to admit I'm being much more productive so far, although not enjoying the video meetings at all.
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19 hours ago, RPG said:
The Civil Service has various contingency, disaster and emergency plans ready to go. Always have had. But it does need ministerial approval to put them into action. In that regard I have to agree with Palfy.
I'm a public servant so very across the way things work, the average person would be amazed at how little changes when the government does. They will have their election commitments which in the grand scheme is typically fiddling around at the edges, the vast majority is BAU.
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19 hours ago, RPG said:
Public borrowing has to be paid back in one form or another. Labour learned (or rather, didn't learn) that the hard way in the 1970's.
I really don't see you you can make this claim while you're denying to provide a definition of what money is and how it's created.
Comparisons to the 70's when the UK was on the gold standard are spurious to say the least.
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19 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:
If you look at credible sources on that site (Like NPR) you will see them only listed in the “very high” setting. National review is 2 below that. Not something I would trust especially on a China hit piece, but to each their own.
Thing is mate I would believe a right biased US news publication before anything the Chinese government was telling us, remember they currently have a couple of million Uighur Muslims in concentration camps for "re-education"
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7 minutes ago, Palfy said:
That isn’t true about the ventilators he left it far to late they were still in the design stage a week ago from the companies you spoke of , one company Gtech were asked to do a design and gear there production line up which they did do on both accounts, to then be told they didn’t require there services.
But the biggest own goal by the Tories came 5 years ago when there was health study on how this country would cope with a flu like pandemic, to cut a long story short the government’s own advisors recommended that the NHS should buy thousands of ventilators, as we were woefully short, the government went against the findings of the study it asked for, against the advice of the professionals it asked to carryout the study all in the name of austerity, the conservatives have starved the NHS of funds and resources over the last decade like no other government in the history of the start of the NHS.As nearly all reporters journalists and people in this country have recognised we are now trying to play catch up, and are struggling because those who acted have bought the resources.
Mate, you're barking up the wrong tree trying to make this a partisan issue (and so is RPG). The civil service is running the show as best they possibly can and the government are just reporting on what they're doing. (badly)
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36 minutes ago, RPG said:
Yes, you can ask but I am not going down that political sidetrack.
That a cop out, it's not a political question. It's an important clarification when you are bandying around assertions that your party is spending it wisely and your political rivals are spending it wantonly.
If you don't answer any further posts will moot until such time that you do.
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14 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:
the national review is a barely credible far right publication, i am very surprised you are using them. it's american far right which is about as anti-China as it gets, i'm not at all surprised they would have an article like that.
Media bias has them as right biased but mostly factual, which is entirely possible unless you view conservatism as a mental illness.
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1 minute ago, RPG said:
In the global crisis that we now find ourselves they have no choice. All I can say is that we couldn't have criticised Corbyn if he had been in power for doing exactly the same thing. There will be adverse economic consequences but it is a case of the lesser of the 2 evils isn't it.
Can I ask you what you think money is and how it is created?
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1 hour ago, RPG said:
Labour's propensity for spending money it hasn't got.
What are the Tories doing now then?
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16 hours ago, Palfy said:
There are over 4.2 million companies registered in the UK 2018-19 of which most are British, so jog on and do your homework.
haha, show me in the post where I said no companies were registered in the UK?
Jog on and learn some reading comprehension.
Political brain dump...
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That article's main citation is research done by a left wing think tank, and the argument that research is making is that the government is essentially responsible for peoples poor lifestyle choices that result in preventable/premature death.
There is likely a well thought out conservative position rooted in moral foundations theory how that is not a fair and equitable position for society as a whole.
Hardly evidence of Fascism. No wonder we're getting hammered at every possible election. Non stop claims to victimhood get boring.