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4 million per year is 20 million in five years. And I suspect this will be circumvented with hugh signing-on bonuses.

That's why I said "eventually". FFP also means we can't sign a lot of players either.

For now, problem is wages will increase so most of that extra money will go to players eventually.

I kinda hope the club buys someone decent in the next five years.

Yes, on to the semifinals. Everton ‏@Everton 4h4 hours ago #EFCU19 have qualified for the semi-finals of the @DallasCup. We will find out our opponents on Thursday. Up the Toffees!

No Whiteside? I have to say I never thought about Saha that highly. He seemed to be injfured quite a lot, too.

I was going to write almost the same lineup. I'd swap Gough with Jagielka and Hinchcliffe is a good contender for LB (but I'd still pick Baines). I agree about Parkinson, he edges it for me over Carsley. And I would replace Saha with Cahill purely because Timmy had a great knack of scoring important goals, was a real fighter and had great determination. Limpar vs. Pienaar is a tough one, but that would be my third change because Limpar was really an on/off player and his attitude sometimes stank. Pienaar always works hard and is a better team player. So: GK: Southall RB: Coleman CB: Watson CB: Jagielka LB: Baines RM: Kanchelskis CM: Parkinson CM: Arteta LM: Pienaar ST/CF: Cahill ST: Rooney

I quite like the look of this guy. Quick, has a timmyesque leap, has good attitude (listens to the manager, is eager to learn) and can play across the front three. Quite small and weak tho, and of course Ligue 1 is less physical and less intensive than PL.

Usually you don't get confirmation until a deal is done, so you quite rarely hear about failed attempts. In this case admitting it would have been bad for both parties ("Kenwright, why didn't you sell" and "So, Randy, you are saying Villa wasn't your first choice?").

Villa sale getting closer? http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-sale-update-randy-8959109

That's what I heard, too. It was a case of "don't call us, we'll call you" from Everton.

Seriously you should check out some facts first. Everton have debt? Well so do others. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/01/premier-league-accounts-club-by-club-david-conn There is nothing that special about our debt compared to others. Some have more, some less and this holds true both absolutely and as a debt/turnover ratio. You are contradicting yourself and don't even realise it. First you say Kenwright could have sold to the first fella who came along and then you claim no-one wants to buy the club (you must claim this since you object to me calling BK a liar for saying no-one wants to buy Everton - so either people *do* want to buy Everton and BK is a liar or no-one wants to buy in which case he couldn't possibly have sold to the first buyer since there's no-one). You actually said there are no buyers, several times: So how could he have sold to the first fella? Are there buyers or are there not? Could you make up your mind? As for swapping places, you yourself asked if I would swap places with some of the clubs: Why did you ask that if you didn't mean it? I know this is just a red herring you use to try to deflect the discussion. It has nothing to do with whether there are buyers or not. There clearly are so you try to change the subject. As for lying, well he has done it. You didn't see the Kirkby ballot paper? You haven't heard of Fortress Sports Fund (which disappeared once BK got rid of Gregg)? http://harrrps.blogspot.fi/

And you should take off the blindfold. At least I see pretty colours while you are in the dark!

I made stuff up to get you to address some of the points instead of dodging around them. It seemed to work. Let's see. 1. Ok, so it is Kenwright's fault? 2. How can the other clubs build stadiums when we can't? 3. Don't you think it doesn't look good on them since so many other owners have put money into their own clubs? Shouldn't this count against Kenwrigth & co? 4. So how would we have ended like Villa if Lerner had bought the club in 2006? 5. But you keep saying that, for instance when you commented "would you honestly swap places with any of them?". If you didn't mean that, what did you? 6. So why haven't the club been sold when so many others have been? 7. Fair enough. 8. You don't seem to criticize him a lot while making excuses why Everton haven't been sold. 9. Yet you keep saying that we might have ended up like Villa. 10. Well, let's wait until summer then. 11. How would I then come up with the list you demand? Or are you asking me for something that is impossible to deliver? Wouldn't that be quite unfair? 12. Yes, there are failures. But I'm completely sure that if someone offered enough money Kenwright & co wouldn't care a jolt who that was. And we forgot the commercial side. Do you think Everton is doing well in that front?

Again, are you saying that if Moyes had gotten some 75 million extra money during those years we wouldn't have done any better? That's basically what you imply. And that argument is stupid anyways, maybe we should just slash the budget to half if it doesn't matter?

Didn't Moyes buy Bilyaletdinov, Kroldrup etc. So they were actually Kenwright's fault for backing his manager? I get your point, it's just so stupid it beggars belief. Moyes was Everton's manager in 2006 and I can't see any reason for Lerner to sack him right away. So the only reasonable speculation is that Lerner would have backed him just like he backed O'Neill. O'Neill, btw, had much better pedigree than Moyes had when he joined Everton. And money *does* buy success. There is a very clear dependency between money spent and league position. Only very few clubs can break that, Moyes was excellent at it but money is the reason why certain clubs finish in the top four almost every year.

First, I have nothing to do with Blue Union. I'm not even sure I know anyone who is. This just shows how desperate you Kenwright apologists are. Kenwright has had 16 years to build a new stadium. Why hasn't he delivered? Whose fault is that? People told him the Kirkby proposal was against planning laws and would never pass yet he persisted with it til the end. Whose fault what that? Whose fault is it that King's Dock never happened? Everyone else did their part, Kenwright couldn't find 30 million no strings attached to enable it. Gregg offered that money but wanted more control in exchange. Yes, Kenwright's ego and greed stopped that from happening. Did I really imagine all those clubs being sold? Or are you REALLY saying none of those were interested in Everton? You are basically saying I should call every rich person in the world and ask if they want to buy Everton because that's the only way to gauge interest. Your "snatch the hand off" is actually more accurate than you probably thought: anyone buying will need to pay so much over the odds that he'd be crazy to do that. And swapping places? How does that happen? Say Lerner had bought us instead of Villa. How would this "swapping" had happened? Lerner would have sacked Moyes and installed O'Neill first thing and then O'Neill would have sold the entire squad? I think with that sort of investment we would have finished in the top four at least once under Moyes. And I see you have no comments on the commercial side of things. You just keep expecting people to hand over lists of names and come up with excuses why the sale of this or that club was a completely different thing and Everton is the least saleable club in the world (well, should be by now if half the Premier League and Championship have changed owners but no-one has been interested in poor ol' Everton). Funnily enough you just dismissed a lot of clubs who don't have a new stadium but do have new owners. Oh, and what new stadium does Villa have? Have I missed something? They have a permission to increase capacity, but if our board really wanted to, they could do the same. But they have decided against developing GP. So, to recap your arguments: It's not Kenwright's fault that the club has not been sold yet. It's not Kenwright's fault we don't have a new stadium yet. It's perfectly ok that our owners haven't put a penny into the club. Lerner would have sacked Moyes (since that's the only way we could have swapped places with Villa). Kenwright is the sole reason we have been doing so well since just changing the chairman would mean swapping places with QPR or Sunderland or Fulham or any of the other clubs. Everton is the least saleable club in the world by far. Even clubs like Hull and Leicester are more saleable. Anything I missed?

Yeah, it's funny that when Kenwright backs his manager it proves how good a chairman he is. When Lerner does the same, it proves how shite he is.

It's hard not to be abusive when someone says something as stupid as you. Are you saying that if Moyes was given 120 million pounds we would have been worse off? Villa's net spend: 2006-07 7 million. 2007-08 14 million. 2008-09 6 million. 2009-10 45 million. 2010-11 18 million. TOTAL: 90 million Everton's net spend: 2006-07 4 million. 2007-08 10 million. 2008-09 6 million. 2009-10 -3 million. 2010-11 -2 million. TOTAL: 15 million. Are you seriously saying that if those net spends had been reversed we would have been in Villa's position?

Well, we'll see soon enough. Let's say they are sold like the reports seem to suggest. What's your excuse then?

I'm not sure when he put them on sale but it looks like he will sell the club come summer if they are not relegated. So it took him a year while Kenwright has already sold the club for 16 years.

Lerner has put over 100 million to Villa, which is roughly over 100 million more than Kenwright, Woods and Earl combined. His problem was sticking with O'Neill for too long and allowing him to waste money on average players on huge wages. What if Moyes had got that money instead? As for selling, didn't we just see reports like this? http://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2015/3/28/8306517/aston-villa-sale-agreed-takeover-randy-lerner and http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/gossip-aston-villa-owner-randy-8843528 and http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11506254/Aston-Villa-owner-Randy-Lerner-puts-3m-home-up-for-sale-as-American-edges-towards-Villa-Park-exit-door.html . Everton is not for sale because no sane businessman is going to pay the 150 million pound price they are after. Nice little profit on a 20 million outlay. How the heck does it look like Villa found a buyer almost immediately after Lerner put them up for sale but the greatest salesman ever, Bill Kenwright has failed to find a single one in sixteen years?

No buyers? Did I imagine the sales of Aston Villa, Newcastle, Manchester City, Liverpool twice, Manchester United, QPR, Fulham, Sunderland, Southampton, Leicester, Charlton, Hull…? All during Kenwright's time? You are so full of shit. How to back the manager? How about not f**king around with business side? You know, like the Kitbag deal? How about not renewing with Chang as a default? Not waste millions on idiotic plans like the Kirkby stadium which was never going to be accepted? What do you expect? Should people really go and tell Elstone how to do his job? I thought he's very well paid to do it already? How about marketing? Why is pretty much the only place you can find Everton stuff on sale the club's own shops? Kitbag doesn't seem to be interested. Some facts about our great deal with them: http://www.sos1878.co.uk/everton-fans/kitbag-continue-hold-everton-back/ So we make about a third of what Spurs make out of that deal? Who exactly thinks that's stellar? Spurs have already, since 2012, made more money on their deal than we will make in 2009-2019! And the board hasn't put in a dime of their money into the club. Someone like Lerner has put over 100 million of his into Aston Villa. Imagine what Moyes could have done with that money? Instead we have Kenwright (not enough money), Woods (BK's puppet) and Earl (don't give a flying **** about Everton) in the board. What exactly do Woods and Earl do at the Board? What's their contribution? Has Earl done anything apart from getting Stallone to visit GP? So how's this for a plan: sell to someone who is either a) willing to give money to the club and/or has any business acumen and is actually INTERESTED in the club? And who would get a competent CEO in place and reorganize the marketing department so it's not run by people who shouldn't be organizing a yard sale. And do you know who pockets the high interests paid on the Vibrac loan every year? Why have we loaned from there when I'm certain the club could have borrowed money elsewhere with smaller interest (the money is, after all, guaranteed by the ticket sales so is low risk)? And if you again ask who to sell, I already gave a list of clubs that have changed hands. Unless you expect people to call every possible candidate and ask if they were interested, how do you propose we can name names? BK keeps telling no-one really wants to buy the club. Is he saying Lakshmi Mittal, Randy Lerner, Sheikh Massour, Shahid Khan, Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha, Markus Liebherr or Roland Duchatelet never made contact? What makes Everton such an unattractive club?

How many clubs have been sold since BK bought Everton? How can anyone suggest Everton can't be bought?

Loaning has its good and bad points. The bad is that a player might train with lesser players for up to an entire season with coaches less able than at the Premier level.