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Liverpool will not be happy with this performance especially second half. Cant really see that team winning the league!

Just now, badaids said:

You reckon?  I think we're playing better.  It's a funny old game.

Better I think too, but we really can’t cross the ball. 

1 minute ago, badaids said:

Walcott does all the hard work again and then just swishes about like a pranny.

Why didn’t he run at them. He stoppped dead and then brought it back!

Just now, Elston Gunnn said:

Can Bernard play on the right?  If yes, Richarlison on for Walcott by 60’ at latest.  Ditto for Gomes subbing Schneiderlin.

Might see no changes, if Silva hopes for 0-0 and rejects any changes until it’s 0-1 or 1-0.

The talent differential is obvious, all over the pitch.

You mean how liverpool can go more than 3 passes without losing the ball? I noticed that!

Not to be negative, but I don't know how that half could be considered a success unless the game plan is to scrap out a 0-0 draw just for the pleasure of dropping them points? Can't win games if you don't create chances, can't create chances if you can't pass the ball or lose it every 5 seconds. Frustrating!

Man this has been poor after a promising start. Can’t keep hold of possession, can’t create anything, clumsy careless tackles. Worst thing about watching Everton these days is how boring it is. We don’t make any chances and I can never work out where a goal is going to come from. There’s just no self belief about this team. 

Brilliant

3 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

Pickford knows he’s playing every week that’s the problem 

Dunno. He’ll lose his place in the England side if he carries on like this and rightly so. He just creates too much panic. My hearts in my mouth whenever he gets the ball. He’s a good keeper but at that level it’s 65 percent composure.

Jesus Christ you’d be better off putting it out for a corner than giving it to Pickford!

This is a shambles. We have the first touch of a pinball machine. Calm down ffs!

12 minutes ago, Palfy said:

That's strange your MotM has no votes I at least thought I'd see yourself vote for him and Bernard has 3.

4!

Not going to pretend I know the winning formula or tactics/strategy to use, cause I don't. But one thing I have noticed in the premiership, and international football in recent years is that a manager who doesen't know his starting 11, and tinkers with his team too much will have difficulties.

Sometimes as the adage goes more is lost by indecision, than the wrong decision. Find out what the starting 11 is on the training pitch, and stick with it, at least for a while. My gut feeling is that teams need to get used to playing together as a team, and feel settled, rather than constant upheaval, be it with personnel changes, or formation. 

It wasn't all bad today. I think it hurts more cause we needed to get a run going, and build some confidence. First half we were the dominant team, game should have been killed off. Very impressed with bernard.

For me I don't care about this season. I just want the manager to get settled in, and focus on creating cohesion, and building something in the manner Klop has with Liverpool. My overall impression of this team presently, and alot of other premiership teams these days, is that it's a collection of individuals rather than a team working together.

Need some real leaders in there as well. A blue steven Gerard would be nice.

2 minutes ago, hafnia said:

Walcott hasn't done a thing. Hides. He's a likeable lukaku. 

I wouldn’t say no to a Lukaku up there right now!

7 minutes ago, pete0 said:

You mean that one interception that accidently turned into a run forward until he shit himself and ruined the attack. Any other centre mid makes something happen in that play. 

Terrible from Brighton pretending to kick the ball out and playing on. Either do one or the other. 

You need to watch him more carefully. I also think one of his greatest attributes is his bravery. 

Mina tries a slide tackle with his shoulder！

16 minutes ago, Aidan said:

Bernard looking up for this. 

Think he’s gonna be a really good player to be honest, I’ve liked what I’ve seen of him. Gives it his all!

I’m not counting my chickens just yet!

3 minutes ago, jofanon said:

Wow!  No chance!

Yes looking unlikely!

Pickford has had a howler.

Should have been booked at the very least at the end there. Gotta worry about this team now. The midfield are like ghosts and give the opposition so much time on the ball, that they just cut us apart with their through balls. Was the same in the last few games. Defense is utterly shambolic, probably not helped by Pickford charging around like an enraged headless chicken. There’s no composure at all. Going forward we’ve been quite good, although as in all the games recently some of the passing is atrocious, don’t know how you can call yourself a professional footballer if you can’t pass the bleeding ball!

I don’t know for what possible reason our goal was disallowed, dodgy ref me thinks, but can’t exactly say the score line is not a fair reflection of the game. At this rate big Sam will be back again by the summer. Going into a tailspin. We need a win and some confidence back.

I hereby optimistically predict we will win 4-3. 

29 minutes ago, pete0 said:

We put up a fight with Liverpool. City didn't even have to get out of first gear, after DCL scored they just ran up the other end and got another, at no point were they ever scared of dropping points in the match today. 

Just because were playing city doesn't justify conceding three goals as easy as that. We weren't deep through choice, we just couldn't keep hold of the ball due to the poor choice of set up and tactics. It's not just against city we've struggled to keep clean sheets against Newcastle and Watford, and struggled the other end as we aren't shifting the ball fast enough. The football was stale the last 2 games and today was a terrible mess from the manager. 

You say the tactics are wrong, what tactics would you have used yourself?

Liverpool could easily have beaten us by the same or a higher scoreline. They missed alot of easy chances, and our defence was in that game, stretched just as much as it was today. We battled in that game, but the indivdual mistakes were if anything higher than today. We also created (and f*ckin spooned) just as many chances! Watford, yep we fell to pieces, but they were fired up for that game, and many people predicted a difficult game there! I never saw the newcastle game...

But what I am really saying is, of course there are problems with this team! This is not me declaring how great we are, my point is get used to it, because realistically we ain't that good, and that isn'tt the managers fault, you just cannot expect the squad we presently have to compete with the likes of City or Liverpool.

Go to war with the army we have, not with the one we would like to have, or for some strange reason, ever since investment, believe we have. Good god man you're an evertonian! We lose, that's our thing!

Seriously though, do you not think we have improved since last season, and the one before? What more can we really hope for?

Personally I see a team that is fighting, and for the moment behind the manager, playing some nice football, though lacking quality in the final third, and making costly individual errors.

Please god not another witch hunt against the manager, because if that happens yet again, I fear we will never escape the cursed cycle! There is nowhere to go this time! 

2 hours ago, pete0 said:

Shocking game, we just rolled over. Didn't even make them work hard for the goals and no idea what our game plan was. Why would you gift city so much space. Pickford has a great kick on him so why play short to the centre halves and leave a huge gap from defence to midfield. 

Defence had no cover from midfield, not helped by Sigurdssen playing out of position and the midfield have one less player. Defence had the extra man but never played 3 together before so there was a few mix ups in each others space and tracking the wrong man (or not at all for the last goal). Nothing in attack as the defence were so deep and the midfield couldn't keep hold of the ball. All on the manager this game, beaten before we even kicked the ball. 

No, not the managers fault! We were playing Man City away, which is an extremely difficult proposition for any team, let alone ours, which let's be honest, is limited, especially in attack.

We played some good football today, and we created enough chances to have drawn level, but you have to take your chances.

For most of the first half I honestly thought we were the better team! City were disjointed, and we did seem to have a game plan, which was indeed based around sitting deep, and hitting them on the counter. But IMO that's pretty much what you should do (or all you can do) against such a potent attacking opposition, and obviously it all breaks down big time, if your strikers don't take their chances.

It's really not the managers fault that we have no center forwards. We played deep, because we were playing man city, and had we gone all out, they would no doubt have fooking murdered us!

People really need to temper expectations or else frustrate themselves. We haven't really got the quality just yet, but there are many players in that team starting to shine. Manager has really made vast improvements, but we have no strikers, no finish...

We got into the top six a few weeks ago, and suddenly expectations went through the roof again, which really isn'tt a good thing IMO. We need to keep our feet on the ground.

I don't think if you asked the city players about how Everton played today, they would be quite so negative. We played as well as we did against Liverpool IMO (a game of which I thought we received more praise than we actually deserved) with the main difference being that City took their chances, whereas liverpool (mane) fluffed theirs (we also fluffed ours)!

We didn't make it easy for them today, but really Man city away? Losing 3-1 was no great shock was it?

I still pretty much think we panicked, and that if avoiding relegation was our only real goal we could have done so with either Koeman or Unsworth without the expenditure of millions and millions upon big Sam.

It might well have been a blessing in disguise for Unsworth too, and I reckon hes pretty relieved to get out. Such a top job for someone so inexperienced could only have harmed his future prospects in management if things went wrong as they probably would have.

We're all just fans and our opinions and predictions mean very little, but big Sam after all that?

Wow great performance, and that goal by Rooney, did I ever doubt him?

I guess the question is now were we right to get rid of Unsworth, ha ha!

Some bad results but that game looked like a real turning point, and perhaps a long spell on the bench has really fired Rooney up. The question has to be did we need really a fixer or just a bit of confidence back? The problem, not just with Everton, but all premiership clubs is a lack of patience and tenacity to hold on, and be brave when the ship starts sinking. But its an understandable phenomenon when you look at what happened to teams like Leeds..

Only time will tell I guess but I think if we brought big Sam in mainly to starve off relegation then Unsworth could plausibly have done exactly the same job for much cheaper. Feel both happy and sad for him. Made up for Rooney as well, he's proved me and other doubters wrong for the moment, and I think hes won his place back!

Still mustn't go mad, I kind of sensed we would stuff Moyes! What really worries me, is we may now have a manager who feels his only remit is to keep us from being relegated!

Still we need to give him a chance...

The thread wasn't asking simply if we were right to sack him (that was the title) but whether we panicked and sacked him at a time during which the alternative is a man (or men) who is less qualified than the man we already had. I cant help wondering if a lot of the Everton old boys wanted Koeman out thinking that they could do better, but didn't really have a back up plan!

I dont honestly have the answer myself because its something nobody can really know, not knowing for certain how things would have played out had Koeman been given more time.

But...people who sign off with the declarative "YES" are just as clueless as I am. We dont have a good enough overview of the real situation to be anywhere near being able to form a clear opinion!  All I can say for sure is it looks like a real mess...

1 hour ago, Peter H said:

Yes

 

Should we have had a manager lined up when we did it?

 

Yes

Well thats really no then. As, as we can now see, we didn't!

7 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

You’re delirious if you think any of them would come here.  Be realistic, who could we get to manage? 

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