Hafnia

intersting point, would be difficult to compare but if you look at Pienaars consistency and work rate versus Mikels it makes him very close as an overall player. He hasn't got the same technical ability when striking a ball, dribbling and close control very similar. His versatility is better, Mikel can go missing when played on the right. Put it this way, there isn't many teams he wouldn't get in...

Don Hutchison anyone....... That was 2000, we are now 2009, player of the year wanted 25% pay rise (20k - 25k) we offered an extra £925 a week, our current top earners are approx 50k, simple, give Pienaar parity, we know he's worth it. If I was him, I would expect a £50k a week 3 year deal, no less. If we offer less, then expect him to walk. And expect to replace with far less.

Talking about Donovan as a Top 100 player compared to anyone else in our side is a little premature, until he has played at the frantic pace of the premier league he is not able to be judged as such. I would say that if he was in the top 80% in our league he would be doing well, which would mean there is more than 100 ahead of him in our league alone. Arteta, Pienaar, Billy, Baines, Jagielka, Saha, Yakubu, the list goes on, if he was to be considered ahead of those I would be very pleased and would say sign him permanently! As much as i'm not a massive fan of his image etc, Beckham may not show his true ability due to the fact that the players intelligence in the MLS is not at the level of the likes of Scholes, Giggs, Van Nistlerooy, Cantona, Ronalso, Zidane, all of whom have played with Beckham. With all due respect, playing Beckham in a team like LA Galaxy is like putting a racing driver in a family saloon and expecting him to break lap records. That is no offence to the MLS, Beckham took his big contract to go there to develop the game and should be fully committed to honouring it. Truth is, he may be nearing 35 but he is the best player you have had in that league since the likes of Pele, Best and Beckenbauer came over. If Donovan was to play alongside or against Beckham in a world 11 team, you would be in no doubt of Beckhams ability, you would possibly see Donovan struggle to match the mental sharpness. I hope we do sign Donovan as he does look like he has the technical attributes to do well and I hope he does, however when you see players like Shevchenko, Veron etc struggle to adapt to our league I am more sceptical than optimistic.

Let's hope he can adapt to the pace of the game, I ain't so sure. Beckham needed Italy to get sharp and the prem is way quicker than Italy.... May take him 3 months to find his feet.

£15m if that is true then i'm afraid that is an insult. We paid £15m in one form or another for Fellaini, not even going to bother comparing them - Rodwell better than Fellaini - hands down, potentially as good as Lampard/Gerrard/ Ferdinand - we are talking telephone numbers. The risk is that great I would not sell for £30m. If we are going to be in the position to attract top talent then we need to possess top talent. Look at Man City, they needed to get Robinho as a statement of intent (I don't even think they wanted him, they wanted a flag ship signing in order to be successful in recruiting Kaka (failed) but they got some top players in as a result. We need to keep Jack till he is showing his ability on a consistent level, at the moment he represents the best value for the teams such as Chelsea, Man U, Real as he has yet to get an England cap, as soon as he does, bet your bottom dollar he will be in the £25m+ bracket - which wpuld mean they would already see a return on investment. Top and bottom - do not sell at any price.

No I don't think for one minute he has mentioned quitting and it isn't related to Kirby, I think being utterly cheesed off may lead some people to think that he is ready to call it a day. I don't think he will, I think he is being canny in the way that he was before signing his contract, he wanted money to spend and only signed when he was told he will have cash. Now the team isn't performing he is using the lack of investment as one of the reasons. I think he is diverting the attention onto the board whilst being kind to Bill as I don't think he wants to stab him in the back. I am pretty optimistic that something major will happen at the club over the next month or so, I still don't get that with Phillip Green on board (worth 4,330m) how have we not got the opportunity to have the investment that will give us a world class stadium (Scotland Road maybe)which in turn will give us the platform to be more self sufficient.

What point? An interpretation maybe, read what you will, it's all there.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2009/11/26/getting-boot-from-everton-was-making-of-me-says-celtic-star-danny-fox-86908-21851768/ Here's another player we had plying trade in Scotland. You can never be sure that they would make it at prem level though. Mate is a Chester fan, says Ruddy was awesome for them. Hope he makes it, still young for a keeper, look at how many make it young and then fade due to expectations, Wright, Kirkland,Foster to an extent (united looking at Akinfeev to replace van der sar)

What irritates me is that the club have sold an idea to the fans that in order to compete financially we will have to move? and some actually believe that. A £70m odd outlay for a potential return of £6m more a year, which was initially offset against a £10m injection of cash from the housing development of Bellefield - which was canned, for us to move the benefits need to be far greater

Yak wants to go? Sell him. He will be a liability as an unhappy player, will not work for the team, is he a fair weather player maybe? Get rid. I like him as a player who has done well for us, but that goes out the window when he is not prepared to put in a shift for a struggling team whilst he's picking up £50k a week. That's if it is true of course...

I'm more embarrased than relieved. I didn't want kirby. I want a new stadium but all the reasons against kirby i agreed with. Why is it that despite very strong opposition from a large percent of fans did the club carry on regardless with this venture? It was hardly unanimous, even if the vote was legit. After the kings dock potential and failure were we to be pleased about being club that pioneered state of the art stadiums back in the day having to go cap in hand for a mediocre subsidised new home at the cost of our heritage? That's one argument that can be countered depending on your view. My point is that i am embarrased by our situation, pride in how we go about doing things has fallen, why? Because the amount of credible reasons for not pursuing this were ignored and now we have had a big fat public no given to us. Plus it has caused mass disagreement between fans. If it was right like kings dock, there would have been unity.

The best free kick taker in the world like Beckham doesn't always score or create goals. The fact that we are focusing on this as we seem incapable of creating goals through fluent attacking play, apart from the occasional Saha piece of magic.

If you were 90% certain that an outcome you were vying for was going to be favourable, you would cover for the 10% uncertainty just in case. surely the Kirby decision was seen as 50/50 - it is yet another indication that those running this club have no idea. Would any other top flight team in serious need of relocation/developmnent put all their eggs in one unstable basket? Nope, plan B would be ready to roll. Wasn't it said there is no plan B?

Read again. Maybe if you weren't so quick to type and point score. I said at the "start of the season". Start of the season - we were already short of Arteta, Jags, Victor, Vaughan, Yak, add on to that when season commenced Neville, Pienaar, Osman (that's 3)= disaster. I told you so may well apply, but it's not what I want - it's just that it doesn't take a genius to work out.

He's a disgrace!, i'm sure it was accidental - ask Cech

Get Jose on....made for him. 5 live say TC is struggling....

There lies the problem Louis, the word "hope" - it's associated with wanting something that is unlikely to happen. I guess the chickens will come home to roost if this is true.

Would we be this bad with Jags or Arteta in the team? Unlikely, the other players would be embarrased by the clear difference in quality they possess so would up their work rate. The team is totally void of confidence and any characters within it to get them going, I got it wrong when I said we would be a better footballing team without Neville. Yobo's back pass before? Outrageous!

Lack leadership. Ability to pass, no one wants the ball, no one showing. Expect 5-0

I am sure our board will not have been sat on their hands in the time that this has been in deliberation, they will have a plan B,C probably D . Anyhow, watching the game, just seen number 3 go in from a team who you would back for relegation. Said at start of season we were 3 injuries away from disaster, not that I thought it would happen, it did. At this level you have contingency, seems we don't do that.

oh dear

On radio they said loan deals <_< don't get too excited, prob see Alan Snmith...

Get him in the treatment room, remember how he used to get the jukebox to work....

At the current moment in time there isn't much to choose between Fellaini and Cahill in terms of performance, both are playing way below a standard you would expect from a top flight midfielder, thing is Tim has done it in the past for us, Fellaini is yet to put together a string of performances. The novelty value is wearing off with Felliani for a lot of hs most staunch supporters, in the pedestrian way he patrolled the midfield on Saturday, is there much surprise? He will no longer be able to hide behind goals and team wins, cos we ain't getting either.