Hafnia

how sad, let it go....... you like me and many others post on this site when a game is up and running looking for freebie sites, you either don't go because of money reasons, responsibilities, or maybe you don't care, surely not! - reason..... cost of going to game? You have a problem in that you post something that someone can disagree or disAprove OF. Get over it, there are other fans out there with access to www.google.com

when jack had a shot the camera panned to his uncle,name, details, blackpool etc, he was hidden away in some old trafford snug - hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I suppose when you read some of my posts I harp on about how we need money. I guess realistically one of the reasdons we need it is that we are able to pay for 'proven' world stage performers and that comes at a price. I don't blame anyone for Fellaini as such, however maybe the reason we signed him was that we never quite had the extra spondoolies to get Moutinho. There is no magical way to know whether someone will fit in the premier league - for every Essien there is a Veron, for every Vidic there is a Kroldrup. Pro's and Cons Fellaini: Pro's: Young and time to develop, Great in the air, first touch, combative, get's in good positions around the box. Cons: Slow, gives away too many fouls, needs to make more killer passes, can disappear from the game, don't know best position Top ten signing? Here's mine in order based on importance and value for money: 1. Arteta 2. Saha (based on assumption was free - most technically gifted player we have IMO) 3. Jagielka 4. Pienaar 5. Cahill 6. Howard 7. Lescott 8. Neville 9. Baines 10 Yobo

Maybe a learning on my part to be more specific about the inflation I was referring to. However to protect my credibility - which should be in tact regardless - here is some reading..... http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/fans-concerned-over-football-inflation-1764258.html I'm not into point scoring, but I do like to back up my posts with facts given the scrutiny (rightly so) they will receive. anyhows COYB!!!

Not to insult, I just think you have set your sights lower than I have. I'm not about knocking the club, i'm merely putting your commercial victories in perspective, the glaring ommision on your point about shirt sponsors was Fulham - twice the amount we get. The kitbag deal was hardly deal of the century - as I say a struggling Man City got a similar Le Coq Sportif deal. The turnover was primarily down to the success on the pitch and player sales - not down to commercial activity, which was the original part of my point.

You speak for me there.

If J.R Ewing came offering you good money for your back garden - you wouldn't sell - you know that he will strike oil and the subtsantial money he gave you would appear to be pennies. That's how I feel about selling our potential talent. They know he's gonna be a star. £20m, £30m, £40m could appear to be small change for this lad one day, the only way you would sell is if he was destined to be a similar player to Phil Neville - he's already better...

I'll do this in stages: 1. Record turnover every year??? You would like to think so, inflation has a lot to do with that. In the words of Bill after anouncing record turnover: "Our debt is a big debt and a worrying debt, but it is manageable because of our performance on the field and because we do well each year as a business, thanks to David (Moyes). But it is too much debt that every year is going to be added to" "Every summer it's the same problem. David must think 'every summer, how can I do it?'. He must be sitting there looking at these figures thinking 'they have given me nothing again and they want the Champions League'. "But we do manage to sustain the debt. We have a good bank and we have had to go to them again this summer. All we can do is borrow and that's what we are doing again this year to give David not nearly enough money to take a club that's finished fifth in the last two seasons even higher. 2. Finch Farm was acquired in 2006 by Everton who later sold the land on for £2.1 million and then had it developed to the club’s specification by developers ROM Capital (an arm of the aAim Group). On completion, Finch Farm was valued by ROM Capital at £17 M. Everton signed a 50-year tenancy agreement with ROM Capital for Finch Farm.[2] Everton have an option to purchase the site after 5 years. So we are renting somewhere whilst we are lumbered with the problematic site in Bellefield which can not be built on. 3. Biggest shirt sponsorship in the clubs history - £2m a year. Let's put that into perspective... Liverpool have signed one worth £20m a year with Standard Chartered, Man City and Spurs and Arsenal more than double what we are on £5m a year, Fulham receive £4m a year from LG. 4. Kitbag haver the rights to sell our kit which is estimated at £3m a year. Based on the fact that it is Le Coq Sportif, I can't see your neutral fan clamouring for it ala Nike/Adidas. The deal we got from Le Coq Sportif was not much better than the one Man City had with them when they were struggling in the league. Before they went to Reebok. Again - is it a success story??? I think I won't even get onto the club shops and knowsley stadium move as I am now suitably depressed. Where did I say that it is us v them in terms of players/coaching staff versus powersuits? Must have been where you read the financials....

Unspectacular progress behind the scenes? I think the amount of chief execs we have had in recent years points to something very spectacular behind the scenes - of which we do not know about. The steady progress you refer to is Moyes successful dealings in the bargain basement with success owing to a team spirit that at times has been built on a siege mentality. I can't see anything that has gone on from a commercial aspect that has made me think that anyone else is due plaudits. So if you know commercially what I do not know, please enlighten me. Again to repeat many a blue's opinion, the progress has been made in spite of, not because of Kenwright and co. When players such as Arteta comment on the 'family' aspect of the club, again surely that is credit to Moyes, the backroom staff and the players, unless Mikel has a masters degree in econometrics and has been doing his bit to help out the guys in power suits who spend their days working out how to make our club profitable without sacrificing playing staff.

Can't believe the lad has his own thread and some comments are uncomplimentary, he will have big shoulders after coming through games against Benfica etc when in all honesty he should be getting last 20 against Hull etc. Some of the comments aren't fair at all. Let's hope that the lad makes it as a rock steady prem player, he has already done something for us that Rooney never managed, score against Liverpool. I can't see him making the £20m bracket, but neither would John O'Shea - yet he get's plenty of games for united without being anything other than steady. We seem to have a habit of building some youngsters up and then being almost ungrateful when they don't look like making it. That is down to the fact that we are highly unlikely to buy a world class player at the going rate - so all our hopes are down to developing one (who will no doubt be sold on the drip to buy some utility players)

Cor blimey Mr Maddock!!! Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water!!! Some of the fans comments fly right back at him with more questions, this I like! I don't think I have ever seen a chairman attract so much attention for the magician like ways the club manager has managed to run a football club on a shoe string. It's almost like Andrew Ridgley getting the rights to Careless Whisper.

Please let this be a resounding no. Yes we need a way to generate more match day revenue, not this way.

It would be satisfying as it is highly unlikely. I think the logistics work against it happening. To be successful, your team needs to have better components - the better the components, the better the team which is ultimately the players. The best players will want to be reimbursed according to their ability. If you were better than your opponent and he was earning twice as much as you - would you be satisfied? Nope. You will want the same money at the very least, we have a wage structure that would barely accomodate players such as John O'Shea - would we win the title with 11 John O'sheas? When players prove themselves to be better than their peers they will look to be rewarded, would you sign a 5 year deal for a team knowing that they are going to sell their best players when the top spenders come knocking? - not if you are ambitous. Fact is, with our debts, income, and current expenditure we are not in a position to compete for the best players, we have had to rely on some canny transfer dealings, and when these players are revealed as bargains, your Man City's will come knocking ala Lescott and now apparently Pienaar. We are in a constant battle to keep the wolf from the door. Very depressing. I would sooner take the chance on a billionaire not following through on all promises than exist with the current excuses from a chairman who loves the club. What have we got to lose? In 4 years all our flagship players (Arteta, Jags, Pienaar, Cahill, Howard, etc) will be approaching the age where they are looking at their last contract - which means that their sell on value will be negligible - at peak that is somewhere in the region of £70m pounds worth of footballer. An average net spend of £4m a year will contribute £16m to replace that lot - highly unlikely. My guess is that they will be sold before it get's to that stage as we can't afford to run them into retiremnt so to speak.

A f*&*&* joke, why wasn't he tied down before it's come to this. Can't blame him, the idiots running this club have a lot to answer for. We gave Neville a ridiculous extension, which I'm not against, but one of our best players has to wait to get parity? It's like Don Hutchison all over again!

Agreed, there is a lot of factors to consider when you try to price Rodwell. Versatility, can play centre mid, centre half (I would hazard a guess he could do a job at full back or as a centre forward - seriously) He has at least 14 years left at this level, to replace with someone of his ability we would need potentially 2 signings to cover him for the period of his career (if you base this on the assumption that we would replace him with a 25/26 year old = two transfer fee's)- you can tell he will be an England regular - potentially captain - he is media friendly and is marketable, he is the type of player you can build around. In ten years time he will be at his peak - quite a scary thought, spread a £20m fee over that time, it's £2m a year eadoer i career it's less, we have just signed distin for that kind of value - who with all due respect is not in the same bracket as Jack. Without sounding ridiculous, you are looking at Sergio Aguerro money - £50m - £60m. I had a chat with a Liverpool fan last night who played at a high level, he has known about Rodwell for a while, he reckons his two footed ability is priceless and says that Rodwell is the next Gerrard.

I'm lucky to have seen Everton win two leagues, European Cup Winners Cup and become arguably the best team in Europe. We did that in a different climate, money was different but ultimately player mentality was the same. The likes of Sheedy, Bracewell, Sharp, Steven knew they could win things at Everton and we certainly didn't need to sell to buy. When we did sell (Steven to Marseille, Stevens to Rangers etc due to Europe ban) we became a weaker team, and yes we were reimbursed. The point is that we will never become a success when we sell stars of the future. As you say Romey we have become a selling club.

Liverpool didn't want to sell Alonso, Rafa ballsed that up by offering him out the previous year thinking Bary was on his way - so Alonso spat the dummy out, Crouch was a sub, as too was Robbie Keane - Liverpool wanted to sell them to get whatever money they could. Fact is, we are not in a position to keep players we want that would make us a better team. It all boils down to the board, and the topic is money - we ain't got any and never will at this rate.

yeah, let's get him, Di Maria, and Moutinho, wait there just woke up......

I'm waiting for the "I won't sell him for £50 million" - then we know he's on his way. Future England captain, then again so is Rooney. If we do get investement it can't come quick enough, this is a lad who the team should be built around for years to come. Please don't anyone say "£20m would be good business" because like the muppet Townsend and many others will say for years to come, Everton are a good club to "learn your trade" - I thought that was Tranmere, Preston etc. Is that all we are? Maybe we are if we keep selling our best players when bids in the region of £20m come through.

Kenwright will be the first chairman that we will not have won a trophy under in the pasxt 20 odd years, however I am not using that as something to beat him with. The fact is the top division has changed, the last time we won a trophy, people were still watching serie A for the best players (we all got excited over Ravanelli?!) - we need something groundbreaking to turn us into the financial force we once were, with an old stadium, it is the first time Everton can class themselves outside of the elite. Relegation would see this club go into admin, investment would see us contend for the title, that I believe.

I think we should be grateful to Bill for what he has done, however the gratitude will turn into resentment "if" there are any suggestions that he has put himself and some cash before the success of the club. If the 24/7 search for investment is a promise then we should be expecting to hear something along the lines of interest. Is the Kirby decision what this all hinges on? We will see shortly, I for one am against the move - I smell a rat.

Frank was sold for £11m, peanuts compared to the £18m received for Rio. When old arry wanted to spend the Rio money on transfers he was told their salaries would be factored in to the transfer fee as part of a total deal (sounds familiar) - arry was also told to accept this as the chairman had turned a blind eye to some of his questionable dealings. Minto, Camara etc. He resigned, the money from the transfers wasn't seen as most went on the stadium, and West Ham were relegted and in debt.

You say we became a stronger squad after selling the best footballer in England - the irony. That is my point exactly. It's a false economy, we are trying to fill a bath with water and the plug has gone missing! The sale of Rooney wasn't a cure for our clubs financial state, it was a symptom of what is going on. We sold Rooney and became a better squad - it wasn't hard, scott gemmill, nyarko, alexanderson, Li Tie, Kilbane, Chadwick, plus an aging back 4 and keeper were squad members round that time. Point is we had to sell Rooney (of which I wish the club would admit what really went on, - same situation as Gary Speed I guess) Lescott was great business? It was on the basis that we got more than the going rate, it wasn't great business in that we were left frantically trying to patch up a defence that has since been leaking goals. When Baines got injured we had to throw a inexperienced lad (Coleman) against Benfica. What has this got to do with West Ham? West Ham had the makings of a great team sold for what was deemed good buisness(Ferdinand, Cole, Carrick, Lampard, Defoe), what did the money they received get them?

No, in a word. If selling someone who is currenly worth in the region of £60-£70m for £10m up front with £10m in installments plus add ons depending on their success represents strength, then to repeat the act several years later only to use that money as the sole means of transfer activity after finishing 5th and a cup final, then strength is not what I would call it. Given we have acheived way more than can be expected in the league with very little outlay, with very little left to spend (with no assets - discussed in main article)do you think we are strong? I don't. We are in a very vulnerable position indeed, the only way out of this is money - Kenwright doesn't have any, we need someone who has. History has a way of repeating itself, who's next? Rodwell, Arteta, Jags??? Did West Ham end up strong after selling Ferdinand, Lampard, Cole, Carrick, Reo Coker? http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-sport/article-23674062-harry-redknapp-slams-hammers-for-selling-home-grown-stars.do Again history has a way of repeating itself, the more that the Kenwright topic rears it's head, the more I find myself repeating. Sod it, let's be a feeder club and hope for the odd Wembley semi final eh...

Never before has the need for finance been so crucial in recruiting the best players in the world. And never before have we been so far behind in terms of recruiting top talent. If it's not the fee it's wages, if it's not the wages it's none champions league football. And we can not provide this without real investment in the playing staff. I don't know any empire or industry that has gained strength from selling their key assets, nor do i know any industry that improves by having someone who admits having no business brain as chairman. It's almost like playing monopoly, selling your assets to the player who needs them so they can start building houses and hotels, you are not going to win. We need to land on free parking, get all the lovely free cash in the middle, and laugh at the other players when they make silly cash offers. I can see bill landing on free parking after he has sold park lane and mayfair i'm afraid.