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I take it all back, there is justice!!!!! Come on boys, please hold on!!

Sometimes there's just no justice in football, have no idea how we're not winning this

Can't believe Coleman's missed that!!

Anyone watching us for the first time this season would wonder how the hell we're 14th after the performance that half. Superb. Skill, passion, high tempo and, surprise surprise, we play two up top and look a threat. I fully expect us to go on to lose now.

Would your complete makeover include Moyes? Coz this side was being tipped for top four this season, many of the players we're now talking about shipping out were outstanding second half of last season, can we stick with a manager that underachieves this badly with so much talent available?

Only got to see the second half and tbh it was painful to watch, but thank god we held on and got the three points. Can we play one of the so-called 'big' clubs every week, please? We seem to step up a gear when we're supposed underdogs, if we could only combine the spirit we showed last night with some of the fancy-looking but ineffectual football we've played in other games this season, we'd be a real force. Think team selection had a lot to do with it tbh. As has been stated elsewhere, Osman adds tons to the team in terms of fight and leadership, if Pienaar does end up going I think Ossie could be a ready-made replacement, they're very similar players, especially in terms of work-rate and attitude. No doubt Saha will start next game with Anichebe suspended, but he looks a different player coming off the bench, like he's got something to prove. I thought Vic played the selfless lone striker role well, he's never gonna score many goals but he looked better at linking up with the likes of Cahill and Baines than Saha has all season, and his red card was a fucking joke, yeah the second tackle was a bit late but the first was yellow was just a total disgrace, if the ref thinks that's even a foul he shouldn't be anywhere near a football pitch. God knows how we're gonna cope when Cahill goes to the Asia Cup, the man is a legend, I hope Moyes has got a totally different system in mind coz we just can't play that way without Timmy, no one can do the same job. Oh, and Arteta, hope you've got a good set of thermals lad coz the way the boys played last night, your arse is gonna be warming the bench for a while, no place in the starting XI for you on current form. As an aside, are we the hardest team in the Prem? Minus 9 at Eastlands last night, and while all the Citeh nancy boys had their snoods on, how many of ours played in short sleeves!!?

Well if that's the quality of player we're going for maybe we would be better off in the SPL

I've got an idea - why doesn't Moyes stick the best CB at the club back in the first team where he belongs, keep him sweet and start focusing on signing a frigging striker?! Heitinga leaving us is like Barry and Milner leaving Villa, sign that the club has had its shot at the big time and is now in decline.

If he isn't good enough for Celtic, why would he be good enough for us? If we get rid of Heitinga and replace him with this guy i think it's time to give in

Just to clear things up - yeah I was taking the piss about Nugent Maybe I'm an optimist but i still think we could get a decentish fee for Pienaar. He's very highly regarded and if there's a rush of clubs after his signature, one might be prepared to stick their neck out and pay a decent fee in January to trump the rest.

I wouldn't sell Heitinga, he was absolutely class at CB last season and until he makes it known he wants out, hang on to him. I think we have to face facts about Pienaar, the test now is how much we can negotiate for a player with 6 months left on his contract. I think if we got £8m for him we'd be lucky, and in all probability should have sold him last summer. Yobo, yes, Saha, yes - although the fact that Moyes insists on playing Saha ahead of the Yak, even though its blatantly obvious to the rest of the world that the man is utter gash right now, suggests Davey boy isn't exactly in a rush to ship his bon ami out the door. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Yak go instead. Bily, clearly never gonna make it, might get £7m for him from a Russian club? I'd only sell Anichebe if there's truth in the rumours over his contract, and far from sell Vaughan, I'd recall him from his loan sharpish coz we need all the options up front we can get at moment. Beckford/Vaughan partnership up front, anyone? Pace and movement? I wonder how much Nugent is going for these days.... Say we sell Pienaar, Yobo, Yak and Bily for a combined fee of £24/25m - what would you go for? Personally I'd throw the kitchen sink at Eden Hazard or Marko Marin, but we could probably do with a striker too... Being more realistic, three out of Charlie Adam (I poo-pooed him when we were linked in summer, been impressed by him in Prem), David Bentley (surely Spurs are gonna get rid?), Charles N'Zogbia, Nikola Kalinic (risk maybe, not scored much in Prem, but looks talented and is in our price range) and Jelle Vossen would seem decent business to me.

I think any fans booing him on Saturday should be ashamed of themselves. It's clear from the media reports that it's all rumour and conjecture, so no one knows what the real situation is. To take out frustrations at the team being shite right now on one young player is just bang out. If fans wanna boo anyone, boo Moyes, I'm afraid the buck stops with him be it players not being happy or not getting results on a pitch, that's what a manager gets paid for.

anyone concerned we might be in the shit?

Game over. I'm sorry but Moyes is an absolute clown - we haven't won in five playing Saha and Cahill up front, he talks about making changes this week and then what does he do? leaves it exactly the fucking same, and guess what? We dont look like scoring, again. I'm very quickly losing all confidence in the man.

Time for Moyes to get his balls out of his pocket... one thing is for certain, the way to halt a worrying dip in form and a severe lack of goals is NOT to go to Stamford Bridge and try to shut up shop. They've had a blip themselves, we've nothing to lose really, might as well go there and really have a go at them, try to put them under pressure early on to knock them off their stride and see if we can finally break the goal drought. I wanna see an attacking side out along the lines of: ----------Howard Neville--Jags--Distin--Baines ---------Fellaini --Vic/Coleman--Cahill--Pienaar ------Beckford--Yak

I think if Osman had been fit it would have helped because Arteta and Heitinga clearly aren't playing well and we've been severely short of options in the centre. I still think our biggest problems are up front though - I honestly believe Moyes decision to drop the Yak for Saha just after the Yak got his first goal and had started to look sharp could have cost us four to six points in November because as soon as Saha came in we looked like we had nothing up front. I feel sorry for Beckford after his wonder goal against Bolton but how costly have some of his misses been? Like someone said, bring Vaughan back and start mixing it up a little up top, the problem we have now is we've battled back from another awful start to put together a decent run of results and form, only for the goals to dry up woefully and our confidence takes another massive knock. It isn't inconceivable we could drop into the bottom three this weekend, and for team playing the football we've been playing that's unbelievable, and it all comes down to a lack of goals, and confidence in front of goal.

Cahill is both a blessing and a problem. He's neither a well-rounded central midfield player who can match up to our neat passing game nowadays nor a proper striker (his hold up play isn't great, he's very unlikely to beat a defender for pace, shooting isnt perfect etc). His gifts are tenacity and being exceptionally good in the air. To me he is the reason we go into games against the likes of Bolton at home playing 4-5-1. Away from home or against teams that attack us a bit more, he's fantastic because you want him to be on the end of a cross following a quick counter more than anyone else. But on Wednesday Cahill and Knight had him in his pocket, they sat deep, marshalled all his runs and didnt give him any space, meaning he was pretty ineffectual. Maybe I was a bit OTT suggesting Beckford and Yak should get in every time ahead of him, and yeah his goals have been priceless this season, but i think we rely too much on him in an attacking sense, it doesn't work in all circumstances, and i'd like to see Moyes at least consider two proper strikers up top from time to time

This is very true, i remember seeing we'd had 21 goal attempts after 75 minutes last night and thinking there's something badly wrong if you can't find back of the net from that many efforts

Totally agree. While I do really enjoy watching us pass the ball around and dominate possession (67 per cent last night, I think?) we've gone too far that way. The secret of a team like Barcelona or Arsenal who play that style of football is they pass it around for five minutes and then someone spots an opening and bang, they change the pace in an instant and carve teams open. We don't have that, what's worrying is probably our two most threatening players (bar Pienaar, who I thought was superb last night and is going to leave a huge hole if/when he goes) are full backs, one because of his link up play and superb delivery, the other because of raw pace and willingness to run at defenders. With a midfield of Bily, Arteta, Felli and Pienaar as it was last night, its all nice tappy-tappy passing, but no ability to step up a gear, find that incisive pass. We NEED balance, atm we NEED Coleman on the right just to provide an outlet, and imo we NEED to play Yak and Beckford up top instead of Cahill and Saha because it's just a far more balanced partnership, someone who can play with his back to goal and has superb close control and vision with someone who is all pace, running off the shoulder and always sniffing in and around the box. Oh, and for the record Arteta was dog shit last night. We might look more of a threat if our supposedly most creative player steps up to the plate occasionally, he's been very poor this season - maybe too much post-marital bliss?! Whatever, the fact that he finally handed over corner responsibility to Baines last night after a series of absolutely woeful dead balls says it all, he's bang off his game and we need him to find his touch sooner rather than later. When's Osman back? Maybe a case for dropping Arteta and playing Ossie and Rodwell in the centre?

cheers lex took a while but working great now!

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Of course he can honestly say he's been a good chairman. When he took over, we were a bottom five club, now we're a top five club, or thereabouts. He HAS transformed our fortunes, it is utterly naive to think that ANYONE could wave a magic wand and undo the mess that was made of this great club in the late 80s and during the Johnson years overnight, not unless we're talking a billionaire sugardaddy, which i think most sensible fans agree we wouldn't want. Tbh I find the whole Kenwright argument dull as dishwater, I can't remember the mid-80s so this is the best I can ever remember things being as an Everton fan, yeah I wanna keep progressing and yeah i wanna see us win things, but ffs can we please stop the griping end enjoy what we've got, which is a hell of a lot more than a lot of other teams

Did anyone ever read that interview with Freddie Flintoff when he described Phil Neville as the best cricketer he ever played with?1 And that's not even bs!!

Yeah he wasn't great against Spurs and Stoke but let's not start questioning whether he's good enough ffs! Remember how long it took Bale to establish himself in the side at Spurs? Tactically and defensively Seamus may not be the finished product but he has a lot to his game to admire, he's about the only player in the current starting line up prepared to run at defenders for a start, plus he gets his head up and can pick a pass. I think given the recent run of injuries we've had he's been a real asset and given us an option in a problem position. Yeah i'd agree he perhaps needs a rest, and yeah I'd like to see Gueye given a go, but keep up the good work Seamus, I think for his first real run in the first team he's not disgraced himself at all.

*takes a bow