Sibdane

I'm like you in that I try to give the manager the benefit of the doubt, but there are no excuses for today. The players should be ashamed, and I still can't wrap my head around the whole subs(or lack thereof) thing. How can we expect to keep players like Mirallas or Barkley when we can't do anything?

I'm a huge fan of Martinez, but something has to give. Playing favorites, terrible subs, no plan B when we are down... We need McCarthy and Mirallas back and a squad shake-up.

We are just too cautious. No subs. Players out of positions. No confidence whatsoever in attack. So many things wrong.

Need a goal here.

Jesus. We get it. It's Lukaku's fault that Pelle scored there.

But it doesn't matter.

Not a pen. There's no way that Long is controlling that for a scoring opportunity.

Our final ball just isn't there this season.

Great play so far. Oh, then offside. And wow, Distin got away with that foul.

Can anyone PM me a good stream? The one I'm using is sketchy.

Looks like Barkley is playing on the left. Has he ever played there for us? I don't remember any occasion.

Squad list. COYB.

Howard 5^^ Coleman 6^^^ Jagielka 6^ Stones 7^^ Baines 6^^ Besic 6^^^ McCarthy 8^ Barkley 6^^^ Mirallas 7^ Naismith 8 Lukaku 6^^ Joel 3^ Distin 5 Browning 5 Hibbert 6 Garbutt 6 ^ Barry 6 Osman 6 Pienaar 4^ McGeady 4^ Atsu 3 Kone 5^^ Eto'o 7

Ah, I see. I knew he copied yours and thought he took it out on his own.

Where's McGeady?!

This exactly. Prime example of a player proving the doubters wrong(including me).

I actually thought about that even though Qatar is a bit more "progressive" than other middle eastern countries. I'm using the term progressive loosely.

New Orleans? It's not a bad place, but there are so many better cities in the United States.

He'll be a fan favorite soon. He puts it all out there on the field and seems an intelligent player as well.

Mirallas, left. Gerry, right. I'd be more than okay with that. I hope there is actually some truth to this.

Surprise, surprise.

Southampton 1 - 2 Everton Besic

But you compared Mirallas to McGeady. Both came from the "bargain bin," and one is better than the other. Lukaku's price tag is not even the issue here. My point about McGeady is that you rate him so highly, but he's in the same class as a Lennon or Wright-Phillips... except they have had better careers. P.S. I consider goals as end-products. That's why I brought up that statistic.

Across Europa and PL, our two most important competitions obviously, Mirallas has 6 goals in 13 whereas McGeady has 1 goal in 16. That's the reality. Mirallas didn't cost £20m either. I don't get your obsession with the price tags. Either a player is playing well or not.

I would throw McGeady into this group, but it seems he's already been found out before he started. Pacey, some step overs, hardly any end product.