Pat Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 If their is any scerrick of truth related to this "DISGUSTING" piece of business...Then uno are we really who we think we are? Peoples Club? Look after our own? Very, Very disturbed by all this & if it is the case than those "RESPONSIBLE" should be outed & shunted form the club Immemdiately. Wether that be Moyes, Kenwright, Wyness...who ever. Fukin disgusting - excuse my crudenss...but am Angry. I really dont care who even if was instigated by Manager, Chairman...simply dont care..."GET OUT" - "FILFTHY PIG'S"...Ti's not how weve done things ina 125 yrs @ Everton!!! Here's sincerely hoping is all a beat up...If not than a piece of my "Everton Heart" died today. Im Pat & thst simply my blue tinted opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philinsuffolk Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 I agree. If there is truth in this, this in my eyes will be one of my most dissapointing days as a Blue. Your club is about more than simple results, it's about what it stands for. Stubbsy was never a really great player for us, but he did a decent job and he gave his absolute all. And is a supporter. I saw him quoted in the last week or two saying he will be coming to watch us when he gets the chance. The club should be absolutely ashamed if this is true.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 heads should roll - the clowns responsible for putting together such a disgusting and cold offer should never work in the club again. You can't have banners outside the ground proudly stating People club and treat one of our own in such a way. I understand that the club needs to be more prudent financially but this is an absolute joke. Whether it is Bill or Wyness - they must go - simple as. Why any player would want to join us or stay after this becoming public knowledge is beyond me. I want the club to issue a statement/apology along with a donation to an appropriate charity - this is yet another example of our club letting the fans down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Couldn't believe it when i saw it. Gutted when I read it. One question is why has it come out now and not at the time??????? Why has Stubbs decided to talk about it ??? And if true why did they want to add a clause this time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowlo-efc Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 (edited) Guys, Firstly, the clause was there from day one - this was an extension to the same contract (according to Sky sports news and Everton). Stubbs wanted the health clause removed and Everton said yes, provided he saw a specialist - Stubbs refused the visit to the quacks and signed for sunderland. Secondly, I work in Human Resources and let me tell you this:!:!:! It is absolutely standard to have a 're-occurring illness' clause in somebodies contract - especially short term contracts or consultancy type deals. Stubbs has not been handed a bad deal on this but has moved to try and get the EFC fans on board (Knowing that we are very loyal). You can say that the club has shown no loyalty towards Stubbs - but what if he had taken ill again (Obviously hope that he doesn't) - Efc are not in a position to carry a player through an ordeal such as cancer. Life is all about risks - thats a given, but where a risk can be minimised it has to be and somebody having such a grave, virtually unexplained illness such as Cancer is a risk - especially when relied upon and in the public eye. Please do not see this as unsympathetic - I wouldn't wish illness upon anybody. But this is life and IF Stubbs was totally confident in his health he would be able to sign a deal irrelevant of health clauses! Look at it logically - Everton are skint (be all accounts). We have a small squad and Stubbs has had a critical illness in past. He is also well into his 30's. We can't afford to pay wages for somebody not to play - and that was the case before this news and it still stands now - although seemingly harsh in the case of Stubbs. And ----- why did he not tell us at the time when he was released? Edited August 22, 2005 by rowlo-efc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted August 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 I want the club to issue a statement/apology along with a donation to an appropriate charity If proves to be the case...That is an outstanding suggestion hafnia. Pat's thought more & yeh,w e do have top eb prudent, tight almost with moneyw e all no that...btu consider this if this was all over a 1 yr deal thenw e have every right to feel disgusted. Uno Alooon was never the greatest player to grace the club & he may well have not figured so much this season. That is simply besides the POINT!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowlo-efc Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 His playing ability does not come into it (although that is what takes him to the negotiation table). the fact is - the clause is STANDARD for anybody that has had such an illness - and Stubbs had little problem signing for us originally - with the same clause. I guarantee that Stubbs CAN NOT get life insurance because of his medical history - so why are we not shouting at insurance companies and wanting their cheif executives to resign? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droobie Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 I'll remind you of another bloke who had testicular cancer. Had it near the peak of his career, and then everyone thought he'd be finished. But then he recovered, came back and won the Tour de France 7 years in a row, all the while sticking with the same team (cycling team that is). That's passion for the sport for ya! Now no disrespect to Alan, but if he's thinking he's as fit as a fiddle, and he's had this clause in his contract for the past four years, what's he got to hide? I just read the article on Teamtalk. Everton spokesperson said that it's the same contract as he had before, just a 1 year extension. AS asked to have the cancer clause removed, and Everton said okay, just go see a specialist to give you the all clear. But he didn't? Mebbe there's more to the story than what's been spun out in the media on both sides. Why's this coming out now? Why take a swipe at your old club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowlo-efc Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 I'll remind you of another bloke who had testicular cancer. Had it near the peak of his career, and then everyone thought he'd be finished. But then he recovered, came back and won the Tour de France 7 years in a row, all the while sticking with the same team (cycling team that is). That's passion for the sport for ya! Now no disrespect to Alan, but if he's thinking he's as fit as a fiddle, and he's had this clause in his contract for the past four years, what's he got to hide? I just read the article on Teamtalk. Everton spokesperson said that it's the same contract as he had before, just a 1 year extension. AS asked to have the cancer clause removed, and Everton said okay, just go see a specialist to give you the all clear. But he didn't? Mebbe there's more to the story than what's been spun out in the media on both sides. Why's this coming out now? Why take a swipe at your old club? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Droobie - good post, my thoughts exactly Everyone who doubts the club should read through this: http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/...1553873,00.html and see why the clause was there and why it needed to be there now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyp2 Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 He wanted to change his current contract terms for the extension, Everton said yes if he saw a specialist, he didn't and subsequently left. Nothing here disgusted me, or makes me think less of my favourite club or the board. In fact I would go so far as to say the ball was in Stubbs' court and he walked away from Everton. I think many many clubs in the Prem league would have done the same, Sunderland are desperate for players and a 1yr contract holds little risk so they signed him without that clause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 it's a very unfortunate thing that something so sensitive as this has come out. If it is part and parcel of the way business is done, surely it would have been best kept under wraps, however I have always seen us as a club that looks after their own, and if (god forbid) he was ever to relapse or any other Everton player, I for one would have no problem in the money generated from our support being used to continue paying the salary of a player who has always given 110% to the cause. He is not exactly Winston Bogarde on a free £40k per week dinner ticket. Contracts may be cold and clinical fair enough - however I think in this case the club has been a bit insensitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted August 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 1 yr contract was lil risk for us 2 ? New this topic would be devisive. Each 2 his own. To this mid/ l8 30's Blue it is more about the moral fibre & what we want our club to represent & stand for. Totally understandable that some dont feel any angst & others do. Everton F.c is more than a football club it is a communitty. "The Peoples club" Those in Glass houses ......The beauty of Tofeetalk...we can agree to disagree withouht the slander of other boards ( Pat now awaits barrage..) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norrisgreen_red Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 His playing ability does not come into it (although that is what takes him to the negotiation table). the fact is - the clause is STANDARD for anybody that has had such an illness - and Stubbs had little problem signing for us originally - with the same clause. I guarantee that Stubbs CAN NOT get life insurance because of his medical history - so why are we not shouting at insurance companies and wanting their cheif executives to resign? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quote from Rowlo the fact is - the clause is STANDARD for anybody that has had such an illness Liverpool FC when Marcus Babbel was struck down with his illness DID NOT say your on the last season of your contract so close the door behind you. No we give him a 3 year contract on the same terms as he was under anyway. Seems you still do not have the class to be conicdered a big club like us. Sad state of affairs indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted August 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 before u get all smug Norris red....2 words BILL SHANKLY.....& case closed......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norrisgreen_red Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 before u get all smug Norris red....2 words BILL SHANKLY.....& case closed......... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh you mean when he was asked if he could change the timings of his trips to the gym so the new manager could have the team to himself without the old manager still being there?. Seems Utd had the same problem over Matt Busby. How you can compare the 2 cases is beyond me. A man had an illness that could have killed him and the peoples club...maybe we should call you the fit peoplesclub ..saw fit to use that illness to save money. Well done lads your a class act alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 another two words Norris, Rob Jones. care to tell me the classy way in which Liverpool dealt with his early and unfortunate retirement due to serious injury he gained by continually playing through the pain barrier??? Don't talk about class to us, we are all in agreement that the Alan Stubbs saga is a very unfortunate and difficult situation that we could do without. So don't start giving it the Liverpool better than Everton speel coas this isn't the topic for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
java2001e Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 according to the sky report : "Stubbs had a clause in his original four-year contract at Everton, which covered the illness, but The Toffees were only prepared to leave it out of the new deal if the 33-year-old visited an independent cancer specialist." that sounds reasonable. why wouldnt stubbs want to see a specialist if he wanted his contract changed and an existing clause removed from it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowlo-efc Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 (edited) according to the sky report : "Stubbs had a clause in his original four-year contract at Everton, which covered the illness, but The Toffees were only prepared to leave it out of the new deal if the 33-year-old visited an independent cancer specialist." that sounds reasonable. why wouldnt stubbs want to see a specialist if he wanted his contract changed and an existing clause removed from it? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes - it doesn't add up - there is something else and Stubbs has only told us what HE wants us to hear. As far as Liverpool goes - they show no support or remorse towards past players - where is your 'former players foundation' - what about Robbie Fowler - had massive problems and you turned your back. Phil Babb - long term injury - as soon as he was fit - BANG! sold. The fact is - illness clauses and critical illness waivers are common place in all industries, including football. It is just unfortunate that it has come out into the open now. But the clause itself is hardly a talking point - and certainly not a talking point for LFC fans - I GUARANTEE that there are players at Liverpool that have got or have had similar clauses for injuries that they have had. FOR EXAMPLE - ROB JONES - HE WENT TO HALF PAY and THEN QUARTER PAY DUE TO THE LENGTH OF HIS ILLNESS - WHAT A FCUKING CLUB YOU ARE! SUPPORT YOUR PLAYERS MY BIG FAT ARSE. Edited August 22, 2005 by rowlo-efc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fozzie22 Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 If their is any scerrick of truth related to this "DISGUSTING" piece of business...Then uno are we really who we think we are? Peoples Club? Look after our own? Very, Very disturbed by all this & if it is the case than those "RESPONSIBLE" should be outed & shunted form the club Immemdiately. Wether that be Moyes, Kenwright, Wyness...who ever. Fukin disgusting - excuse my crudenss...but am Angry. I really dont care who even if was instigated by Manager, Chairman...simply dont care..."GET OUT" - "FILFTHY PIG'S"...Ti's not how weve done things ina 125 yrs @ Everton!!! Here's sincerely hoping is all a beat up...If not than a piece of my "Everton Heart" died today. Im Pat & thst simply my blue tinted opinion. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree,but sadly typical of the way BK and band of scumbags run our club. Yet another sad chapter in bungling bill chairmanship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsharpgrey Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 alan stubbs is a TOSSER!!! simple as. Why is he having a go at us now? He should have mentioned it ages ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeghead1 Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0400eve...-name_page.html The quote at the bottom of the link says it all:- The clause remained in the new one-year deal offered to him this summer, but after being in remission for more than four years the player's agent, Paul Stretford, asked it to be removed and Everton immediately complied. The deal then presented to Stubbs did not include the clause, but the Blues believe there has been a breakdown in communication between the player and his agent in transmitting this information. What the hell can the club do if his agent "forgets" to tell him that the deal has been altered to what he asked for???? Anyone else remember Paul Stretford and the speed he got Rooney out of the club?? This guy sounds like a right sh1t stirring pr1ck!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazjones78 Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Agree there, much more than meets the eye in this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluenose Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 stubbsy is a die hard evertonian and was proud to wear the Everton jersey. ok he wasnt the best player to wear it but cmon dont say that. i know he should have said that before but give him some slack. i hate it when people continually slag off all our players. i know i do it sometimes but i feel really bad about it. dont blame stubbsy blame those tossers who run our club and spend our precious money on pies and jaguars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 I have the upmost respect for Stubbs, gave 110% in every game. And its not the first time Stretford didnt relay contract info this summer (Tim Cahill. BUT, I dont want to see or hear any of this, i dont want to know what happens in the boardroom, what happens behind the scenes is not in my best interest to know. I just need to know: Allan Stubbs has signed a contract extension, or Allan Stubbs has agreed to join Sunderland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willo Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 The ba5tard Paul Stretford again !!!!! tut tut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fozzie22 Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 The ba5tard Paul Stretford again !!!!! tut tut <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Aww hes a gem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Lets invite Paul Stretford to the street end one saturday afternoon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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