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Im Not An Alcoholic...!

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Full Story....

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/index.php?page_id=10257

 

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''I'm not an alcoholic''

Andy van der Meyde has spoken to the Football Echo to dispell the rumours about his, er, 'social habits'. "I'm not an alcoholic," says the Dutch winger in response to rumbings

 

"If 1 thing aint true in life & sport it is that" - " Mud Sticks".

 

Would Imagine by default all the ADVM thories will be put to bed as this public even of a non guilt expose will head any inflated theories south, whilst perhaps reducing any former interest?

 

By default the rumour mill may well leave Andy Pandy on the pay roll.

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sorry pat i like my drink and drink a bit down the dock (albert dock) and seen him twice down there dinkin during the week (only when i've been with her when see has let melol) but he has been there

 

but that is all i'm saying

 

 

1st thing is i like a drink but i think he could pos be my new best mate lol

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Pat    2

LOL mate yeh, Im not disputing or casting guilt on either VDM or the Rumour mill.

 

Just could have come out after we had sold him for 2-3 Million........ :lol::lol::lol:

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all i'm saying is i've seen him down the dock but yet

 

i've seen many a player down there but yet i have seen him twice there drinkin mid week.....

 

but yet i could say the same thng about steve watson so that says something

 

so u have to take things with a pinch of salt coz how often have any of us been out when we have had work the next day how can we footy players cant do it

 

just because they train 24/7 doesn't mean they cant blow off steam when they want.....???????

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Jon-webby said.......just because they train 24/7 doesn't mean they cant blow off steam when they want.....???????

 

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But if it interferes with the ability to do your job properly, then it ought to be curtailed somewhat.

 

To start only seven games, can be put down to injury, But to be withdrawn

(subbed), and not complete any of those games, must be put down to lack of fitness.

 

I voiced my opinions on this deal at the time it was done, and whats happened since he's been here has done nothing to change it.

 

Offload, as soon as poss and get him off the payroll, he,s a sponger we cannot afford to carry.

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But to be withdrawn

(subbed), and not complete any of those games, must be put down to lack of fitness.

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:lol::lol: good choice of word 'licker...withdrawn from the pitch after an hour due to withdrawal symptoms kicking in :lol::lol:

 

 

(can I just mention that if I thought he really was an alcoholic then I wouldn't be joking about it ;) )

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:lol:   :lol:   good choice of word 'licker...withdrawn from the pitch after an hour due to withdrawal symptoms kicking in :lol:   :lol:

(can I just mention that if I thought he really was an alcoholic then I wouldn't be joking about it ;) )

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So you dont think hes an alcoholic then? Im not too sure myself but it isnt really any of our business whether he is or he isnt, its between him and the club

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You can only blame injuries to a certain extent, look at Shrek he breaks his foot and he works hard to get back as quick as possible. VDM just doesnt seem to care.

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agree but thats all about commitment and in my eyes VDM dosnt have that

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Is that not what i have basically just said? :blink:

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I only really drink at the weekend but i drink far too much when i do  :unsure:

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I drink about 3-4 times a week.. if i've been out, i'll drink everything in the house too and crash out..

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sorry pat i like my drink and drink a bit down the dock (albert dock) and seen him twice down there dinkin during the week (only when i've been with her when see has let melol) but he has been there

 

but that is all i'm saying

1st thing is i like a drink but i think he could pos be my new best mate lol

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Alcoholic?!?! He basically admits it in his own statement - 'I had a hard time whislt injured and just wanted to forget about everything'

 

so, reading between the lines, that means that he basically drank his way through injury and then couldn't get fit to play for us - is that not an alcoholic?

 

I hope for his own sake that he is not an alcoholic - its a terrible thing o have to live with and go through and its even harder to expell alcoholism...so for his sake and his families, I hope that he is not an alcoholic.

 

He has a great talent and he needs to focus his energy on that talent, forget the press and the rumours and start playing good football, like he knows he can.

 

You dont get signed on by Inter and Ajax if your an average player - and you certainly can't get into the Dutch national side without having something special - perhaps though, the pressure was/is a bit too much for him personally.

 

I hope that he can focus for us next year, if he wants to stay. I hope Moyes and the blue boys can give him the direction that he needs.

 

Lets wait and see - but i am not hoping for anything because we are Everton and we are blessed with 'not getting the rub of the green'!

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agree but thats all about commitment and in my eyes VDM dosnt have that

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The thing is this...

 

alcoholism (like many drugs) robs you of your ambition and any commitment that you have (or think you have).

 

People are lazy - I am! But when you are a player and getting stupid money a week and all you have to do for it is TRAIN and play football - then that is what you do - there is not much commitment there - believe me!

 

get to training for 10am - train for a few hours and back home you go -- not asking much from the sane everyday person...is it?

 

Yet VDM can't do it - if you are an alcoholic you only ever want one thing - ale. You are a very selfish person and you are usually a pain in the arse that is not focused on anything around other than the next drink.

 

My father is an alcoholic - he goes to AA and I, along with my mother, go to Al-Anon (the family section of AA - helping those with alcoholic family members overcome the problem).

 

I aint preaching to no-one but I do understand (partly) alcoholism more than most.

If VDm is going through this illness (and it is an illness of sorts) then I pity him but in a sympathetic way.

It is difficult to shake this disease off as no drug can help with the mental side - its there, ticking away inside of your head and there aint nothing, except will power, to help you out.

WE all kow how bad will power is - how many of us on this forum have dieted - and failed or used the 'i'm happy with my weight now so i can stop dieting' excuse - to only find that in a few months we are back to our original weight? Why does that happen ? nobody knows but its EXACTLY the same for the alcoholic.

 

If VDM is finding it tough in the UK and is regretting his move then he should go - There is nothing worse than someone who doesn't want to be around. Let him go if that is the case.

 

If the problem is alcoholism then we shoudl address that head on, get him the help he requires and get him fit again so that we can enjoy him on the field and he can enjoy us...

 

phew--thats the deep minded, sympathetic Rowlo over for one day!

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You dont get signed on by Inter and Ajax if your an average player - and you certainly can't get into the Dutch national side without having something special - perhaps though, the pressure was/is a bit too much for him personally.

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:o What about the mighty blues?

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I think VDM's recent press statement shot himself in the foot, basically admitting he has a problem. I cannot see him getting over it and think he should be gone. At the end of the day this is a business and any employee who is drunk for work would be sacked, in a job where your body & fitness is paramount I would expect much harsher treatment. Just look at that chelsea bloke who took drugs publically.

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He comes out to defend himself and you all take that as an admission of a problem!

 

The lad said he had a hard time with the injurys & family problems not "i drank my way through my problems", suspicious minds reading between the lines he will prove people wrong.

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Can you give me another reason why he isnt fit for such long Periods....???

its not like he;s broken his leg or something, the only word that came from the Club is he's unfit to play.

Not a word about twisted ankles or groin strains, Just he's unfit to play.

 

I dont know what injuries he could get, cos he never plays. :blink:

 

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And just a word about this view of Rowlo's..........".You dont get signed on by Inter and Ajax if your an average player - and you certainly can't get into the Dutch national side without having something special - perhaps though, the pressure was/is a bit too much for him personally."

 

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That was when he was young and hungry, once they aspire to Fame and Fortune the hunger wanes. Too much money and too much time on their hands leads to Boozing, or gambling, or womanizing which in turn leads you down the Spiral staircase.

He was at Inter for 3 seasons and played 18 times, scoring 1 goal and only completed 3 of 18 games. :blink: warning bells should have been ringing in Moyses head, but he went ahead and signed him even though he didnt even pass a medical, it was 3 months before he made the team and has been subbed on every appearance.

 

My sympathies are with him if he is what they think he is, but at the same time this Club gives a bloody good wage to too many players who give nowt in return and i am of the opinion that he should be sent packing as soon as possible.

 

Licker.

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The debate rages on but i still stand by the statement that he's worth the same now that he will be worth in January so give him a chance and shoot the prick if he doesnt deliver by then.

 

Just my humble opinion :)

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And you are entitled to it, and i see where your coming from.

But if he only plays 3 or 4 games for us up to January, people will just look at his past 4 seasons record and give him a wide birth, we will be stuck with him.

 

If he stays until january he will have been paid ONE MILLION POUNDS (20k a week) by this Club, and he has given the Club nothing in return, and that should not continue.

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you should give him a chance. i couldnt care less about his social habits. so long as he gets fit and does the biz let him do what he wants

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January to May, Dont you think five months is long enough to get yourself fit. :blink::blink:

 

Far as i'm concerned he,s a waster, and he should be gone this transfer window..............If anybody will take him. :angry:

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Ola    0
if he is an alcoholic i carry a lot of sympathy for him and the people around him. i hope he sorts himself out

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;) here here :)

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Hmmmm, well if an employee of mine was an alcoholic (or similar drug addiction) I am afraid he/she wouldn't be an employee of mine anymore.

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Good job you dont employ Craig Charles then after todays performance on the frot page or the Mirror!

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Hmmmm, well if an employee of mine was an alcoholic (or similar drug addiction) I am afraid he/she wouldn't be an employee of mine anymore.

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Not grounds for dismissal. It's an illness and recognised as such by the World Health Organisation..would you sack someone because they got cancer?

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We are talking in terms of a business here...if they are not fit to do their job why should I be paying them? If they have a sickness entitlement in their contract then I would obviously honour it...but businesses don't succeed by being all touchy feely with their employees, a business is there to make money.

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Not talking touchy feely...it's just that by your post you'd not employ Eric Clapton to play lead guitar or Anthony Hopkins to act in your play, I could do a long list of other examples..

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Zed    1
We are talking in terms of a business here...if they are not fit to do their job why should I be paying them?  If they have a sickness entitlement in their contract then I would obviously honour it...but businesses don't succeed by being all touchy feely with their employees, a business is there to make money.

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Businesses do succeed by being touvhy feely at the right times

 

Yes, they are their to make money, but they get the best out of employees by helping them when needed, then the employee pays them back in hard work and doesn't fook off to the competition for being treated like poo by their selfish, in-adequate and out-of-date management.

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If they have a sickness entitlement in their contract then I would obviously honour it...but businesses don't succeed by being all touchy feely with their employees.

 

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I agree....... he's made a million pounds out of us while he's been here, so if he has got Drink related problems, he should sign into Tony Adams rehabilitation clinic and get it sorted.

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If they have a sickness entitlement in their contract then I would obviously honour it...but businesses don't succeed by being all touchy feely with their employees.

 

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I agree....... he's made a million pounds out of us while he's been here, so if he has got Drink related problems, he should sign into Tony Adams rehabilitation clinic and get it sorted.

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He has probably already been in there - hence the blag injury (perhaps?)

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Surely the point is: regardless of whether he likes a drink or not (and I'm sure he's not the only player out there who does) if he continues to be unable to play an active part in the club because of this or any other reason then the gaffer needs to decide if he's worth keeping. I personally have a lot of faith in Davey M so if he feels he is worth keeping then I support him.

 

Personally though, I haven't seen anything from him to make me think "we really need this player".

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Go along with that...what a sensible first post...we'll soon knock that out of you, welcome to the asylum (detox ward :P ).

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Cheers mate. :D

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