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The risk to London as the Financial Capital is more at risk if we stay in the EU. France and Germany have had their eyes on this for years. If we remain, I can see the EU coming up with a 'Common Financial Services Policy' much like the Common Agricultural Policy and the Common Fisheries Policy. We will then be instructed to transfer a chunk of these services to Paris and :Frankfurt. And just as the Fisheries Policy decimated our fishing industry, you can bet the City will come out of it not very well. If we leave, then at least we can fight it.

Steve, please read my posts more carefully. I said 'Macron' is desperate for us to go - not 'France'. Now that Merkel is on the way out, Macron thinks he is going to be top-dog in the EU. He doesn't want the UK in there queering his pitch. His ambition is far more important than 'trade'. Having said that, why should trade suffer either way? It will only suffer if the EU whack tariffs on everything.

Steve, I can't believe you just posted that. First, Germany don't want us to leave but France do. Macron is desperate for us to go. Second, the EU are already changing the law on veto's. It is not convenient for the dictatorship. The EU is proposing a change to move to majority voting (which means Germany and France) in certain areas. How long before it covers all areas? First crack in the dam.

To quote Chac, RPG The FT is Remainercast, so take it with a pinch of salt.

The worst possible scenario. We lose, but DCL scores, which means Silva wlll pick him for the next dozen games.

Chac, I think he is outgunned by Merkel and Macron. It doesn't matter what the EU rules say, if Germany and France want it, it will happen. The rules will change.

Reported in the Independent (November 2018) Merkel, addressing the European Parliament said she supported a 'real, true' European Army. Macron in favour too. Didn't look at it, but I think there is also a video of Merkel's address. Also quotes the EU Commission as saying they are delighted that the leaders of France and Germany have backed the creation of a 'real' EU Army.

Steve, I know, my question was rhetorical. No one, not even the most ardent Remainers know where the EU will be in 5 years time, because its all decided behind closed doors.

Steve, you say 'give me the status quo and get back to how things were a few years ago'. That's the problem with the EU Steve, there is no 'status quo'. It is a continuously evolving body. The real problem is that they never produce a manifesto. All the decisions are behind closed doors by the unelected elite in Brussels. Just one example: If your 'status quo' is the date of the referendum, the EU were lying through their teeth that there were plans for an EU Army. Even Britain's Deputy Prime Minister was saying an EU Army was a 'fantasy'. We all know different now. Steve, rather than concentrate on the status quo, tell me where you think the continuously evolving EU will be in 5 years time?

Mike, without putting words into Matt's mouth, I think his opinion is that it is accurate. My opinion is that it isn't.

As I've said before, analogies are opinions, they don't prove anything. Glad you got pleasure from them though.

Root has been our biggest problem. He is not a good, natural captain and the responsibility is having an adverse effect on his batting. His 50 odd yesterday, was very lucky, being dropped three times. Got to give Stokes a chance.

I recognise that that is your opinion Matt, However, it doesn't prove anything. The Governor of the Bank of England forecast that there would be a recession in the first year following a Leave vote. The Treasury, through Osborne, said unemployment would go up by 820,000. Yesterday, the Office for National Statistics said that employment is the highest for 45 years. Germany are a lot closer to recession than we are, they missed it by a knife;s edge in the last quarter.

This response is so poor on so many levels that it is not worth a response. Just a tip, the use of the term Strawman is so pathetic that I would think 99% of the people on here gag when they see it.

I'm getting confused here Mike. The Chancellor of the Exchequer announces in the House of Commons (pre referendum) that failure to negotiate a deal with the EU would result in Britain leaving the EU automatically. If no deal was negotiated, 'automatically' means no deal. This responds to a post that said that no deal was ever mentioned prior to the referendum. Where did I say that Gove was a remainer? He keeps changing his mind on which of the Tory strategies are the most popular this week. Don't rate him, think he's a weasel.

Mike, you are conflating two separate issues. The purpose of the Hammond video was to prove that the issue of no deal had been discussed prior to the referendum. The important issue being 'prior to the referendum'. This was in response to a view on this site that no deal had never been discussed. What Gove said was fairly recent and anyway, as we know, Gove changes his views almost as much as Corbyn.

Chac, the Bank of England said a vote to leave would result in an immediate recession. Osborne who was Chancellor of the Exchequer said that unemployment would increase by 820,000. This was prior to the referendum.

Why is it different? Unless you class 'leaving automatically' as a catastrophe? I can't believe you think that nobody was aware of the potential of a no deal, apart from the fact that you imply that you know how everyone is thinking. As Hammond said, if there was no deal to be agreed, leaving would be automatic.

I have just checked. The Treasuries 'Project Fear' forecast that Brexit would reduce employment by 820,000.. Today, the Office for National Statistics said that in the 3 months to July we have added another 31,000 jobs to send unemployment back down to a 45 year low of 3.8pc. Great news eh.

Chac, no one voted for a deal or a no deal. It was Leave or Remain. Out of your 50 million (which I assume includes those who voted remain?) why do you assume that the balance who didn't vote would have voted remain? I have already pointed out that the Chancellor of the Exchequer announced to Parliament, prior to the referendum, that the alternative to not securing deal was to leave automatically. Though I guess that was before they thought up project fear.

Steve0, I am not aware of anything you quote. I made my decision to vote leave years before the referendum and would vote leave again no matter how many more referendum's we might have. Switzerland have had five so far and vote 'No' every time.

Only just spotted this. Apologies for the delay. No, you are right, I didn't know it happened and probably along with 17.4 millions people who voted leave and also didn't know it happened. So if our vote wasn't influenced, what's your point?

Google: 'Unearthed video reveals Philip Hammond shock no deal'. The video shows arch-Remainer, 'Philip Hammond, admitting (in the House of Commons) that if no deal was agreed on Brexit then Britain would leave the EU 'automatically'. (no mention of the catastrophes he is now implying - my brackets). The video is from 2016. He is now against 'no deal' when he previously announced to Parliament that it would be 'automatic'.

Remain have got Tony Blair.

No deal was mentioned. It was discussed in the House of Commons prior to the referendum - and not logged as a major problem. I will post details later.