Shy_Talk

Careful, some neo-nazi-liberal might try to convince you that such a wish is a threat. Secondly, the support and the players needed some harsh home truths, Koeman is as good as anyone to ladel them out. Right on!

Bullshit, I can hope for whatever I like, world peace, a certain president, someone to get struck by lightning, or for a lottery win. Go check out the full meaning of the word 'hope'.

Hopefully Koeman gets the transition time he and we deserve, the former manager was a fool and pied pipered a bunch of lunatics along with him, glad he's gone and now we can try to heal. Up there in terms of harm done alongside agent Johnson.

Thanks.

Oh well, in that case I can compare apples with pears as well, remember getting drummed at Arsenal (Highbury) a few days after we'd sewn up fourth? Our then manager said he'd had difficulty picking a sober eleven. So erm, we turned them over about three weeks ago, yep thats them. FFS.

Fixtures are very relevant, as this years top six will gather a lot more points in total than last seasons - which shows they have improved, so homes and aways through good and bad form are relevant. It was the Euro's, I'd forgot Coleman, and I don't believe it either but seeing as we're crossing every t and dotting every i then lets get thefull picture involved. For instance would Deulofeu have been involved in preseason so much if Rom hadn't been on his jollies. Osman played, Howard played, Naismith played, and Stones played, so thats knocked that one on the head as well. To follow up the Naismith point, if he was performing so well, why let him go? Especially considering who came in to replace him. #shiver But but but an honourable and blah blah chap though, bullshitting the media, thats bullshitting the support aswell. Which way do you want it. Koeman isn't a very good coach if he cant work with the shambles left to him, that he has still top half, and has had a very limited scope in which to shape his squad, coco brought in Robles, Alcaraz, Kone and McCarthy. He instantly had a rapport with them,no such luxuries for Koeman. and you've left out years catching up with us, season after season of brutality worked through Barry, Jagielka, Baines, Williams.

Yeah, erm, already relegated Norwich. Perhaps the identity you point to was actually relief from the players with finally being rid of the shambles pretending to be a manager.

Erm, say what!

And what poor bleeder is carrying them into that?

The sun shines on a dogs ass one day in its life. Two penalty saves was a very welcome change as well, and the goal Lukaku got was top top class finishing. Imagine if we could isolate a defender against him like that more often....

Well, fixture lottery to one side, and another years age and a seasons more punishment into a lot of the players aside.... .....Losing our expensive summer signing has hurt, we haven't replaced like for like @ GK, Howard was first choice international, neither of what we have are. We're struggling with injuries in midfield (McCarthy) and fortnightly one player falls off the face of the earth whilst suddenly one is involved again. We get nothing from Kone and Niasse, fans are on Jagielkas back (unreasonably for me!) theres arguements sake to call a busy summer for some (Lukaku Williams) as a potential factor in not hitting the ground running at the start of the season, we have lost easily our best distributor from CB (Stones) and like it ornot we released Osman, Pienaar, Howard, Naismith (very wrong move), and Hibbert. A squad that needed adding too is maybe about even in terms of numbers but we're carrying way to many injured, if it hadn't been for getting Gueye in on a release clause for exceptional value and him settling in instantly then I fear for what we'd be faced with. Perhaps if Koeman unloaded lies upon lies after every game about how great we are it might sugar the pill, it seems some are still living under the placebo effect of our former manager, who was thankfully ousted as the ten-a-penny conman way out of his depth he always was. Koeman played Pelle at Saints, and we were in for Perez who went to Arsenal, and Gabbiadini. That shows me that he wants a big lad up front to be able to vary the play too, Lukaku is going to be the uprated version of Long in this equation. To make this work we need legs right across midfield and then spares on the bench to be rotated in to keep the press on and work the front two in. We're about 70% of a Koeman side, lets see what he can do with at least a couple more pieces of his jigsaw then judge.

But he had a lovely smile though, and he spoke with such warmth and positivity, top class dresser, always the first to get a round in, and Wigan supporters were gutted to lose such a high caliber manager, players prepared to run through walls to get away from him I mean for him, and some of the most beautiful football ever played outside of the dreams of Pele, all hail Sir Roberto Martinez PHD - the scientist of football and what a pleasure it was to have been associated with such a true gent, kind soul, and hot disco boogier to ever walk on water. FFS!

Is he allowed to decide that some of the players he has absolutely will not do?

The massacre at the bridge to one side, we've tended to turn up at least for a half against the sides above us. Its the complacency, concentration and cohesion against certain other sides that has us as the best of the rest instead of battling for the european places.

Spurs Villa was god awful. And Villa have spent to try to bounce back up to the prem at the first go.

Hopefully the recent games are why this hasn't been sewn up yet, and that transfer payment structure + terms are already being negotiated. Need able midfield bodies, and a French international (MF) will be our first since Dacourt. (I think)

Not big or physical enough. Don't need more shortarses. Can't be standout in a shirt that guarantees referee protection then will struggle elsewhere. Side setup around him at Bournemouth, not a luxury at sides expecting and demanding a lot lot more. Technically proficient fine, but thats only a tenth of the game in the top flight.

Spot on. The variety of Southampton is what lead to their successes, with quick players to hit on the break or spring the offside, with wingers able to cross and cut inside, with a target man adept at finding a team mate with a knockdown or just as easy a header on target, it meant many areas of strength to overcome an opposition instead of relying on just one style of play that needs to be delivered almost perfectly to be successful. This is still a physical league, pace and power will always be relied upon, and sides unable to match up against raw brawn wont get the time of space to use whatever brains they can muster.

Sounds like a 6 monthly managerial merry-go-round, but we give 3 season+ contracts away and only have whoever work for the first 6 months,pay off and go again. We'd be bankrupt in only a few seasons. Fortunately the harm done by laugh-a-day-liar wasn't so total that Koeman has come in and been able to steady the defence (in the main) and although I still see a lot of room for defensive improvement it is by no means anything like as suicidal as it was under the payoff-pariah. For those with a long enough memory, it was the first aspect Moyes approached, make us hard to beat, well drilled, solidly defensive and able to shore up a game or even see one out when we're winning. I highly doubt Koeman will be going anywhere, simply because he has already started to address and undo the harm of the previous regime and getting anyone new in would simply set us back 6 months and some signings to then start over. It took near three seasons for the disease of the former manager to set in and poison so much of the club, it will take a lot more than a half season to turn that period of sickness around. Whoever is trusted to oversee our turn around, it is insanity toexpect it to happen in a half seasons worth of games.

tiki-taka crab ball and titting about in defence. the legacy of clown-shoes. (besides money wasted on poor signings and the payoff and the lies/delusionment and the home record and the devastation of a solid defence) Koeman is granted time because of the malignant legacy he has inherited (it's not a special dispensation for his needs) the actual job that needs doing is/was to fundamentally undo the damage it took a demolition genius three seasons to unleash upon us. It is unrealistic to expect a complete about face in just a half season from the awful position we were sleepwalked into by the clowns regime. I have wanted more from our manager, I still want an explanation regarding matchday squads and peculiar absentees who suddenly come back into consideration (and vice versa) but I knew when we got rid of the laugh-a-day-liar that we were on a long difficult road to redemption and whoever got the job wouldn't undo the harm done in a matter of a few games.

Again, the apologists comment is to those that would have us still limping onwards (to relegation) with clown-shoes. Koeman gets time because the poison in the club from the clown-shoes fiasco needs cutting out and discarding.

I'm aiming squarely at the 'give him time' apologists that refused to see the planet sized problem 18 months in. So far as Koeman goes, it's the same with/for everyone, it is far easier to destroy than it is to create. The harm done by mr phenomenon is so entrenched now that major surgery wont remove the full extent of the disease and decay. We are on a long term healing journey, convalescing, there will be periods where all will seem lost and theres no way back, but like a long term injury to a player, we need to have a bit of faith, not let our thinking be invaded by the immediate darkness and (re)discover that inner strength that belief and fight to come good through the other side. It didn't take 6 months to poison us and to be overwhelmed with despair, it was a near full three seasons of bad bad medicine. There are no quick fixes, no easy choices, the shackles we got used to that have scarred us so have to eventually heal and be forgotten (though never forgiven) and a new era will dawn. I suspect Koeman didn't realise just how big a task he was signing up for nor just how long it would likely take. I hope he has the heart and fight for the job that he is so clearly expecting from his charges to show game on game. Edit: PS Koeman isn't telling lies before or after games in interviews where someone used to be laughing and joking with the interviewers whilst spewing forth such utter tripe he should have been carted away for being a biohazard.

Trying to be fair, we've lost once in the league at home this season (and that was a last kick of the match in the fifth minute of extra time effort that had spooned back off the post) I seriously didn't like it but saw enough first half to see more in 45 minutes of a derby than I had for some years. All the aspects that we want to see in the players like fight, passion, heart, guts, effort, pride, never-say-die, has been coached/managed out of them over two and a half seasons of 'phenomenal'. The colossal bottle job of having fourth place in our own hands at the run in in that first season cost the club,the support,the players more dearly than ever could have been calculated. That some of the club furniture has been let go (Osman and Hibbert) has an effect day to day, on the bench, in the dressing room,even on the physio table. We don't have a set of lads that have come through together and won the fa youth cup that all have that team bond, it's something over the years we've taken for granted and now it's gone. Koeman has to either instill the will and belief into his side, or invest wisely in players that already have it that hasn't been destroyed. To back this up I'd like someone at the club to be suggesting to Mirallas and Lukaku that maybe any Belgian friendlies are a waste of time and slight injuries might occur temporarily whenever the thief of £11.25million comes a calling. Give me eleven nasty players instead of eleven nice guys that take losses as lightly as our former phenomenon manager did.

And thats an utter joke as well. He lied to the support, he lied to his players and he lied to himself. He took a very large chance on some no hoper from the Ukraine league, didn't have the decency to admit his mistake, continued with his stupidity, eventually got sacked then came back at the club that had offered him so much whilst actually delivering a downward spiral of despair and took £11.25 million he hadn't come close to earning from our club. Compare, Moyes took Rooney and his cronies to court over allegations in whichever of his books he'd had written, Moyes won and gave his damages to the former players foundation. Decent and honourable remember. Although I didn't like the bad medicine of 'knife to a gunfight' stuff Moyes talked, the chap that took over from him repeated and maintained that there was a 'great philosophy' to our losing play, that we showed 'marvellous intensity' in games we'd lost from winning positions, that the 'spirit and belief' was there in abundance as he oversaw the worst home league record in our entire history. The apologists point to a couple of semi finals, now iirc we should have shut City down at Goodison (first leg) but the lack of concentration and stand-off nature of our tactics let them into a game that we could and should have sewn up. A 2-0 lead going to their place was a much different proposition. Though it was for the best because he soiled his pants every time he faced the RS (bar that first derby with something like Moyes' defence). Which brings me neatly onto the second semi final. Our manager after Moyes had allowed a penalty taker problem to creep into the side, we'd had the issue with Mirallas, and then some pushing and shoving between Lukaku as well, so in a game where our captain hand balls a certain goal off the line that isn'tpunished by either penalty, red card or indeed the scoring, in a game where we got a penalty that was then missed, that we'd got in at HT only a goal down,everything except the last kick of the ball went our way, but, the lack of concentration and stand-off nature of our tactics let them win through. clown-shoes is and was a weak minded amateur, full of good intentions but sadly living in a dream world of his own making, where every negative is spun as a positive, where no mistakes are ever even remotely connected to him, quite simply one of if not the worst manager in our illustrious history. Hammer Walter for 'disappointing' but at least he called it as dire as it was, Royle took the fight to the press - no more mister nice guy to the extent that he threw them out of Bellefield. Koeman's blunt honesty is rather jarring, and some of his selections and subs are mind boggling, but at least he isn't relying on not-past-it-cos-they-never-had-it types like Alcaraz, and Kone, (Walker was a short lived nightmare that gifted us Joe) (and Kendall gets a pass for greatness delivered) Make all the excuses you need about the previous regime, it says a lot that the clubs end of season awards had to be altered because of the eventual bad feeling towards the 'man' doing the damage, the malice I hold for him is based on borderline criminal signings, the worst home record ever delivered, and the audacity to come and get his pound of flesh after the axe had fallen. A disgrace of a so called man, in fact an utter worm. For shame!

You point out the threat then pal.