How can you say that? - Stephen Carr is proven at prem and international level - okay he's getting old and struggled with injuries of late but he'd be a good signing for a lot of prem teams. Hoefkens is a good player - however he's not a great defender - he's played well in the championship and is an excellent championship player, however he is unproven in the prem. West Brom will need to sign players like Carr, I put Carsley into this category (proven prem players- not going to set the world alight but do a job for the team) and think West Brom missed out on Cars. West Brom will have to sort their selves out defensively (in mid and def) if they're going to survive next season - they've got some good flair and attacking players, but defensively they are very poor.