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Up to 11 million now.   Wish I had thought of it, this is an excellent scam (and not even illegal).  

wow, bunch of right wing nutters there.  they will bitch to the high heavens about raising taxes but more than willing to kick in money for a wall that defense specialists have already said will do nothing to avert people from coming here illegally.

Alternative funding for the wall https://www.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall
7.000.000 so far.  What a country..

Matt, you're in the clear.   The UK and Switzerland have come to an agreement which covers both scenarios, withdrawal agreement or no deal, and it states there will be no change to the status of UK citizens in Switzerland or Swiss citizens in the UK.
https://www.ejpd.admin.ch/ejpd/en/home/aktuell/news/2018/2018-12-20.html
 

Matt, you're in the clear.   The UK and Switzerland have come to an agreement which covers both scenarios, withdrawal agreement or no deal, and it states there will be no change to the status of UK citizens in Switzerland or Swiss citizens in the UK.
https://www.ejpd.admin.ch/ejpd/en/home/aktuell/news/2018/2018-12-20.html
 

All those calling for a second referendum just assume it will be Remain this time.  What will they do if it is Leave again?
In the national interest MPs and the government should just revoke article 50.  This is not a question for the people (take this thread as an example).

The vote in 2016 was necessary because there is a federal Europe with its own army 😊
 

All those calling for a second referendum just assume it will be Remain this time.  What will they do if it is Leave again?
In the national interest MPs and the government should just revoke article 50.  This is not a question for the people (take this thread as an example).

Option one by a mile for me....
 http://www.toffeetalk.com/topic/27945-brexit/?do=findComment&comment=658581
....but I hold onto the (probably misguided) hope that the British public realise what a daft decision they made in 2016 so there won't be enough stupid, stubborn (and idealistic) people willing to make the same mistake again.

In light of the government intentions explained in the White Paper, the most significant effect of Brexit on equality and human rights are likely to be:
the loss of the Charter of Fundamental Rights which includes some rights which are not in the Human Rights Act, for example on the rights of the child and a general right to non-discrimination. The Charter also provides a stronger way of enforcing human rights, in some cases, than the Human Rights Act. the loss of the guarantee for equality rights provided by EU law. As a result of Brexit a future government could seek to pass laws which repeal or weaken our current rights below the standard of EU law rights https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/our-human-rights-work/what-does-brexit-mean-equality-and-human-rights-uk
The tories are using health care as a bargaining chip for favourable terms with the US. NHS is under funded by them but a full brexit almost guarantees the death of free health care. 
I agree about self serving politicians but at least they get pulled up by the EU such as the recent poverty review. 

This Australian journalist is also bored of brexit and has written an article about it.
https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-britain-small-boring-and-stupid-theresa-may-eu-withdrawal-deal/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

This Australian journalist is also bored of brexit and has written an article about it.
https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-britain-small-boring-and-stupid-theresa-may-eu-withdrawal-deal/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Hitting new lows, "I'm not going to hold this vote now because I know I'd lose it."
International laughing stock.
 

The parallels with Greece are uncanny, so if we take Greece 2015 as a guide it is likely that the UK will reject the deal it currently has negotiated only to have to accept a worse deal at the last moment in March/April 2019.

I understand you get most of your information from reading The Daily Telegraph.  The Europe editor for The Telegraph, Peter Foster, is one of the best (informed) journalists out there; I cannot recommend enough that you read his articles.  
For the record:  if the UK remains, it will never have to join the EUR as it will remain on current terms with its opt-outs.  If the UK rejoins at a later stage, technically there is an obligation to eventually adopt the EUR.  However it is still a sovereign right for the member state to choose when to do this.  Sweden for example meets all the EUR-criteria but chooses to keep its own currency.    (by the way, a lot of economists claim UK would have benefited just as much from the EUR as Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, etc have).
As for the EU army..  there is currently more military cooperation between the UK and France than there is between EU member states.  Why is there no outrage of an Anglo-Frankish army?  Is there fear that Macron will draft English youth to fight his battles?   It is so easy to stir up fear on this issue...   EU military cooperation is very limited (coordinating purchases at an EU level, etc.) and subject to a veto from every member state. 

I understand you get most of your information from reading The Daily Telegraph.  The Europe editor for The Telegraph, Peter Foster, is one of the best (informed) journalists out there; I cannot recommend enough that you read his articles.  
For the record:  if the UK remains, it will never have to join the EUR as it will remain on current terms with its opt-outs.  If the UK rejoins at a later stage, technically there is an obligation to eventually adopt the EUR.  However it is still a sovereign right for the member state to choose when to do this.  Sweden for example meets all the EUR-criteria but chooses to keep its own currency.    (by the way, a lot of economists claim UK would have benefited just as much from the EUR as Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, etc have).
As for the EU army..  there is currently more military cooperation between the UK and France than there is between EU member states.  Why is there no outrage of an Anglo-Frankish army?  Is there fear that Macron will draft English youth to fight his battles?   It is so easy to stir up fear on this issue...   EU military cooperation is very limited (coordinating purchases at an EU level, etc.) and subject to a veto from every member state. 

This is only an opinion by the Advocate-General, doesn't mean the Court will follow it.  
Thinking advisory means binding is what got the UK in this mess in the first place. 😉

The inference from your post...
"The only way I would change my vote if it guaranteed the protection of the NHS from becoming a private healthcare company."
...suggests that you think remaining would somehow have put the NHS at risk. I can't see why. The only risk to the NHS is the Conservative party in my opinion.
Did the brexit camp mention the future of the NHS at any point? I must've missed it (oh, apart from the lie on the bus).

Response to this one would be enlightening @johnh. Deafening silence from you on that.
On Carney you don't trust the guy, fair enough. Stick with Gove, Boris, Rees-Mogg and Farage because they know better (despite their total lack of any proposals), everyone who knows anything about anything has said we're going to be worse off, even the government's own stats. The counter argument is the scrupulously researched and highly detailed three word response; "brexit means brexit". OK.
I find it extremely depressing that we're not far behind US/Trump as a global laughing stock; but at least we'll take back control of our food banks, homelessness, kids in poverty and massive regional division. All good then.

Very dim lad him, what does he know? Much rather trust tabloid journo's who plainly know better.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Carney
 

Curious to know why people think the deal is bad?   
Also, whether or not Trump is in the White House has very little impact on the trade deal which will be available to the UK.  Either you align with the US regulatory model or the EU regulatory model.  The current deal choses the EU model for obvious reasons.

You are comparing this deal to Remain.  Ofcourse it is worse than Remain.  
I'm saying this deal is pretty much the best she could do.  Brexiteers who now say, well if this is it, I'd rather remain are a bit dim if they were expecting something else.

You are comparing this deal to Remain.  Ofcourse it is worse than Remain.  
I'm saying this deal is pretty much the best she could do.  Brexiteers who now say, well if this is it, I'd rather remain are a bit dim if they were expecting something else.

You are comparing this deal to Remain.  Ofcourse it is worse than Remain.  
I'm saying this deal is pretty much the best she could do.  Brexiteers who now say, well if this is it, I'd rather remain are a bit dim if they were expecting something else.

You are comparing this deal to Remain.  Ofcourse it is worse than Remain.  
I'm saying this deal is pretty much the best she could do.  Brexiteers who now say, well if this is it, I'd rather remain are a bit dim if they were expecting something else.